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Bike Security - Pragmasis Chain
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No problem - insured with Bennetts for £83.91 - underwriter is AXA
Compulsory excess is £400. No voluntary
This underwriter will not quote for a multibike policy.
matchlessman
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I was very nearly a victim recently. Put the bike on the drive and popped into the house to take my jacket off and open the roller shutter garage door. Just happened to look out of the window and 2 lads were looking very closely at my bike. I shouted at the top of my voice and dashed out. They scarpered to a small van parked 100 yards down the road and buggered off. Another minute and the bike would have been gone. Steering lock was on but probably no match for 2 determined scroates.
The bike was a Beta Alp trail bike, so desirable and very light 100 kg.
I had seen them a few minutes before and noticed them when I stopped and they drove past. But you can't assume every van with 2 guys are bastards as I often go trialling with my mate and our bikes in his van.
Going to install a ground anchor on my drive to stop the opportunist. Till then I now have an alarmed disc lock. It's much cheaper than losing the bike as my insurance doesn't cover my drive as it's a garaged policy.
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The bike was a Beta Alp trail bike, so desirable and very light 100 kg.
I had seen them a few minutes before and noticed them when I stopped and they drove past. But you can't assume every van with 2 guys are bastards as I often go trialling with my mate and our bikes in his van.
Going to install a ground anchor on my drive to stop the opportunist. Till then I now have an alarmed disc lock. It's much cheaper than losing the bike as my insurance doesn't cover my drive as it's a garaged policy.
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I have a ground anchor on my driveway. I use it if the bike is left outside for anything more than 10 minutes. Within 10 minutes, I'm always within eye or earshot of the bike anyways, so nothing more needed than a steering lock.
Unfortunately, people seem to think you need to live in a crime-ridden bad area to be a victim. More fool them.
Yeah, I do that at service time and if I'm changing the wheelsets over (spoked or alloy), but never just to wash it
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Yeah, I do that at service time and if I'm changing the wheelsets over (spoked or alloy), but never just to wash it
Now that could be a new farkle for Del, rear wheel bag.
This thread reminds me, must buy a new, stumpier anti pinch pin for the GS. I'm still using my trusty one that I bought to go through the frame on the SMT but the trouble is, it's about 200mm longer than it should be so loads sticks out the side of the rear axle!! 
Don't suppose it'd make that much difference in the event of a scrote attacking the bike, but then again, presenting less metalwork to the fuckers has got to make it tougher to angle grind. Right?
Don't suppose it'd make that much difference in the event of a scrote attacking the bike, but then again, presenting less metalwork to the fuckers has got to make it tougher to angle grind. Right?
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Now that could be a new farkle for Del, rear wheel bag.
No no no,however i do have the 19mm version of the OPs chain along with the appropriate lock to suit.
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No no no,however i do have the 19mm version of the OPs chain along with the appropriate lock to suit.
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Is that for the boat or bike.
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Boat??
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All them fantastic Scottish Lochs, and no boat.
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All them fantastic Scottish Lochs, and no boat.
Im not exactly Capt Birdseye although some might say i look like him but without the beard
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I only ever fill up at Shell or BP and use their app which lets me pay while sat on the bike. I never leave it unattended.Well there are two more things to mention lol
1) It sounds daft and pointless, but ALWAYS apply your steering lock. Especially when paying for fuel on Petrol Forecourts.
Its nothing more than complying with your Insurance requirements to always apply your steering lock when left unattended.
2) Don't leave your keys in the bike.
Thats it really.
i have the shell app for rewards - did not realise that you could pay via the app?
Swipe to the right. You can do it with Google Pay or Apple Pay. So convinient but do have to pop in to claim the reward at the till but when I do that I drive from the pump right to the door.
Delboy777
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Pay at the pump, in every petrol station all over the country. Dont need to leave the bike at anytime. Save faffing about with your phone. Simples 
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matchlessman
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Not supposed to use a mobile phone on the forecourt. There's usually big signs everywhere prohibiting it.
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Which begs the question, why do oil company’s issue apps that allow you to pay without visiting the cashier
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Might get away with it in a faraday cage. (Car)
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Following this thread.... A bit of security advice sought from “the collective”...
https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showt...-security-advice-sought-from-“the-collective”
Should you use an Anchor Chain to secure your motorcycle? Interesting article here about the benefits from Bennetts Insurance....
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesoci...ld-i-use-anchor-chain-to-secure-my-motorcycle
Text Copied in case URL Link disappears
Yes, you absolutely should use anchor chain to secure your bike. Two metres of 13mm long-link galvanised marine anchor chain costs just over £14. The same length of 13mm security chain from Pragmasis for example costs £78.75. Needless to say though, there's a big 'but'...
The anchor chain I bought from Gael Force weighs 3.04kg per metre, while the Pragmasis weighs 3.03kg/m… there’s nothing in it really. The marine chain doesn’t have a sleeve to protect your bike’s paintwork, so you’ll need to pop a length of inner tube or something similar over it, but that’ll add little to nothing to the price. All you’ll need is a decent padlock.
This anchor chain has long links, which are lighter than short links (less metal per metre), and can be passed through any point in the chain, helping you keep it off the ground and making a sledge hammer attack far harder for a crook. But you needn’t worry – because it’s not hardened, anchor chain simply deforms when you hit it with a sledge hammer.
During testing, we managed to smash the Pragmasis chain in three minutes. They were three very noisy minutes of course, we had plenty of space and an anvil, and this is actually a good result for a chain of this size; others in our testing – even much bigger ones – were sometimes broken with just one hit.
The hardening of a ‘proper’ security chain is what can make it brittle and susceptible to a sledge hammer attack. It’s unlikely that a crook will try to pinch your bike this way, as it’s difficult and extremely noisy, so in practice, as long as a chain can resist a good few blows, a crook probably won’t break it with a hammer. Many of those in our testing though combined quality hardening with enough ductility to resist the hammer blows.
Hardening is important, and it’s the reason why anchor chain is okay if it’s all you can afford – with seven out of ten bikes not locked at all, any deterrent is worth having – but should only be used if you really can’t stretch to a quality product that’s been carefully case- and through-hardened to offer the very best security possible for its weight and your money.
Still using the Pragmasis 13mm as an example (click here to read the full report), when tested we were unable to cut through it with a set of 42” bolt croppers. This is a silent attack, so often favoured by crooks who, contrary to what social media would have you believe, generally want to avoid confrontation. Those same bolt croppers chewed through the anchor chain in a total of just over eight seconds.
Videos shared on Facebook show criminals threatening bystanders while their accomplices use an angle grinder to slash through a chain. Fortunately, this isn’t as common as you might think, partly due to it being a far more serious offence than ‘only’ pinching your pride and joy. But it does happen.
The speed of this noisy and highly conspicuous attack varies greatly depending on the power of the battery-operated grinder being used, as well as the diameter and thickness of the cutting disc. For out tests, we use a fast and torquey mains-powered grinder for consistency, with 1.2mm discs. We also have plenty of space to work, making this a true worst case scenario.
The Pragmasis chain was cut in 10.1 seconds, the anchor chain in 7.5 seconds. That’s not a big difference, though it is a third longer, which can make a much bigger difference in a real-world theft.
But there’s another side to this… Because anchor chain isn’t hardened, it’s very easy to cut with basic hand tools. While a hacksaw simply skates over the surface of a hardened chain like the Pragmasis, I was able to cut the 13mm anchor chain in seven minutes and 56 seconds. I was panting after it, but with several links between the one I was cutting and the one held in the vice, it was a realistic representation of attacking it on the bike, without damaging my own motorcycle. It’d be very easy to wrap a section of chain tightly around the wheels and against the tyre to limit the chain’s movement while cutting if you didn’t care about a few paint chips. Less than ten minutes of relatively low-risk work for a motorcycle would be pretty appealing to many crooks…
Going for thicker anchor chain makes it a lot harder to cut with bolt croppers – by the time you get up to around 16mm it’s too hard to hold in the tool’s jaws. With an angle-grinder in our worst-case conditions, it takes about three-quarters of the time to get through compared to a quality security chain – that can be significant in the real world. But it still can’t be broken with a sledge hammer. Even with freeze-spray.
Then we come back to the fact that even thick anchor chain can be cut with a hacksaw. Almost silently.
If you really can’t afford anything more, then securing your bike with anchor chain is definitely a good idea. But for the sake of £65 in the case of the 13mm links, would you want to take the risk?
If you’re looking at thicker chains, the difference between a 16mm ‘self coloured’ (rusty) anchor chain and an equivalent sized Pragmasis, for example, is £93. That’s about five tanks of fuel, but keep in mind that a decent chain will last a lifetime. It’s a fraction of the price of your bike, and definitely worth the investment. Our best advice? Use the best security you can afford, but please use some security…
We’ve tested chains and locks from Abus, Almax, Oxford, Pewag, Pragmasis and Squire, with more to come.
https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showt...-security-advice-sought-from-“the-collective”
Should you use an Anchor Chain to secure your motorcycle? Interesting article here about the benefits from Bennetts Insurance....
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesoci...ld-i-use-anchor-chain-to-secure-my-motorcycle
Text Copied in case URL Link disappears
Yes, you absolutely should use anchor chain to secure your bike. Two metres of 13mm long-link galvanised marine anchor chain costs just over £14. The same length of 13mm security chain from Pragmasis for example costs £78.75. Needless to say though, there's a big 'but'...
The anchor chain I bought from Gael Force weighs 3.04kg per metre, while the Pragmasis weighs 3.03kg/m… there’s nothing in it really. The marine chain doesn’t have a sleeve to protect your bike’s paintwork, so you’ll need to pop a length of inner tube or something similar over it, but that’ll add little to nothing to the price. All you’ll need is a decent padlock.
This anchor chain has long links, which are lighter than short links (less metal per metre), and can be passed through any point in the chain, helping you keep it off the ground and making a sledge hammer attack far harder for a crook. But you needn’t worry – because it’s not hardened, anchor chain simply deforms when you hit it with a sledge hammer.
During testing, we managed to smash the Pragmasis chain in three minutes. They were three very noisy minutes of course, we had plenty of space and an anvil, and this is actually a good result for a chain of this size; others in our testing – even much bigger ones – were sometimes broken with just one hit.
The hardening of a ‘proper’ security chain is what can make it brittle and susceptible to a sledge hammer attack. It’s unlikely that a crook will try to pinch your bike this way, as it’s difficult and extremely noisy, so in practice, as long as a chain can resist a good few blows, a crook probably won’t break it with a hammer. Many of those in our testing though combined quality hardening with enough ductility to resist the hammer blows.
Hardening is important, and it’s the reason why anchor chain is okay if it’s all you can afford – with seven out of ten bikes not locked at all, any deterrent is worth having – but should only be used if you really can’t stretch to a quality product that’s been carefully case- and through-hardened to offer the very best security possible for its weight and your money.
Still using the Pragmasis 13mm as an example (click here to read the full report), when tested we were unable to cut through it with a set of 42” bolt croppers. This is a silent attack, so often favoured by crooks who, contrary to what social media would have you believe, generally want to avoid confrontation. Those same bolt croppers chewed through the anchor chain in a total of just over eight seconds.
Videos shared on Facebook show criminals threatening bystanders while their accomplices use an angle grinder to slash through a chain. Fortunately, this isn’t as common as you might think, partly due to it being a far more serious offence than ‘only’ pinching your pride and joy. But it does happen.
The speed of this noisy and highly conspicuous attack varies greatly depending on the power of the battery-operated grinder being used, as well as the diameter and thickness of the cutting disc. For out tests, we use a fast and torquey mains-powered grinder for consistency, with 1.2mm discs. We also have plenty of space to work, making this a true worst case scenario.
The Pragmasis chain was cut in 10.1 seconds, the anchor chain in 7.5 seconds. That’s not a big difference, though it is a third longer, which can make a much bigger difference in a real-world theft.
But there’s another side to this… Because anchor chain isn’t hardened, it’s very easy to cut with basic hand tools. While a hacksaw simply skates over the surface of a hardened chain like the Pragmasis, I was able to cut the 13mm anchor chain in seven minutes and 56 seconds. I was panting after it, but with several links between the one I was cutting and the one held in the vice, it was a realistic representation of attacking it on the bike, without damaging my own motorcycle. It’d be very easy to wrap a section of chain tightly around the wheels and against the tyre to limit the chain’s movement while cutting if you didn’t care about a few paint chips. Less than ten minutes of relatively low-risk work for a motorcycle would be pretty appealing to many crooks…
Going for thicker anchor chain makes it a lot harder to cut with bolt croppers – by the time you get up to around 16mm it’s too hard to hold in the tool’s jaws. With an angle-grinder in our worst-case conditions, it takes about three-quarters of the time to get through compared to a quality security chain – that can be significant in the real world. But it still can’t be broken with a sledge hammer. Even with freeze-spray.
Then we come back to the fact that even thick anchor chain can be cut with a hacksaw. Almost silently.
If you really can’t afford anything more, then securing your bike with anchor chain is definitely a good idea. But for the sake of £65 in the case of the 13mm links, would you want to take the risk?
If you’re looking at thicker chains, the difference between a 16mm ‘self coloured’ (rusty) anchor chain and an equivalent sized Pragmasis, for example, is £93. That’s about five tanks of fuel, but keep in mind that a decent chain will last a lifetime. It’s a fraction of the price of your bike, and definitely worth the investment. Our best advice? Use the best security you can afford, but please use some security…
We’ve tested chains and locks from Abus, Almax, Oxford, Pewag, Pragmasis and Squire, with more to come.
Which is why I park my bikes against a wall in my garage and the ground anchors are placed between the bikes and the wall, makes swinging a hammer and cutting much harder. Of course locking/unlocking is a tad fiddlier though.
If they want it that badly they’ll have to work for it.
If they want it that badly they’ll have to work for it.
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