BMW Clothing, opinions? Enduroguard

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I am looking for opinions on the Enduroguard jacket!
I recently returned from france by way of dover and managed to get paint all over my streetguard jacket from the ferry. Not overjoyed as there was no Wet Paint signage!
I have had three Streetguards and have been very happy with them but they are flippin hot when the suns out and its 39ºC!
Don't know if the Streetguard is still made and have yet to get off my ass to visit the dealers around Yorkshire.

Website shows many different jackets in names I have previously not heard but the Enduro has the laminate shell (one of the reasons for liking the Street is they don't soak up water, I think the Enduro is similar but with added ventilation.

Seen a couple for sale (but each too large for me) so I reasoned that there will be a few tossers with personal experiences.

Fancy sharing your opinions?
 
Popell, I have a wee selection! Streetguard, Tourshell, and Enduroguard.
I prefer the Endutoguard - it's my favourite. It's 3 years old, and done a fair mileage, incl 3 European tours, it's never let me down in rain or harsh weather. The overall weight is more than a Streetguard, and the material is thicker. I haven't took the armour out to check, but it seems more armoured. Unlike the Streetguard it does not have a lining/inner jacket with it.
Zips are strong, material is tough.
Of course all BMW clothing of this era is zip-compatible so you can wear Enduroguard with your existing Streetguard trews
Venting is better on Enduroguard too IMO. It also has a handy pocket on the left wrist - I put my credit card in there and use it for motorway tolls in Europe so you don't need to faff and look for your wallet at a toll booth ;)
Not sure where you are but you're welcome to try if anywhere near Carnforth (I'm a size 54 jacket, 106 trews)...
I have not ridden in the very latest BMW clothing range, but so far the Enduroguard is about the best motorcycle suit I have tried.
 
The only reliable answer that addresses the ‘It’s too flipping hot’ problem is to have two suits. One to cope for the majority of the year, when it isn’t flipping hot and the other for use when it is.

Trying to find one suit that meets both demands is a fool’s errand.

Look after both and you’ll be able to sell them on, when the time comes.
 
Popell, I have the enduroguard suit that I have used for a number of years now and covered many miles. The venting on it is poor to be honest and does not really do much, its warm in the summer. Its protective and bomb proof (although mine is leaking on the elbows now even after washing and treating yearly with nikwax). In the summer I use a GS Rallye jacket and carry the waterproof to go over it if needed, the GS jacket really does vent well and I used it for a Swiss and Italian lakes tour last year in 38c. I'd have boiled alive in the enduroguard suit. I ride bloodbikes and love the enduroguard suit in autumn and winter as it is comfortable and very protective, the matching trousers are very comfortable and I use them all year round if not in knox bike jeans. Wapping is right, you need two suits........
 
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I went from Streetguard 4 to the Enduroguard suit and think its the best suit I have ever had by far. I noticed one of our usual touring group wears one and he never seemed to need to faff about swapping kit, he just unzips vents or zips them up as needed.

Warm and dry in winter with layers but also vented enough for a European jaunt in summer with just a tee shirt beneath. Very well armoured, fairly stiff to wear but way less stiff than the heavier Rukka kit I also tried.

I recently saw the similar updated suit to the Enduroguard at Bahnstormers from the current clothing range, but can't recall its new designation.
 
Wapping said:
The only reliable answer that addresses the ‘It’s too flipping hot’ problem is to have two suits. One to cope for the majority of the year, when it isn’t flipping hot and the other for use when it is.

Trying to find one suit that meets both demands is a fool’s errand.

Look after both and you’ll be able to sell them on, when the time comes.
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I do have an alternative jacket, a vented and far less expensive Weiss thing, never actually worn it, perhaps because I don't think it would be as protective in an 'off'.
Family takes the pee, but I 'like to be warm' and only this year turned out to be a bit of a chore, future euro-jaunts will not be at the height of summer...
 
Pukmeister said:
I went from Streetguard 4 to the Enduroguard suit and think its the best suit I have ever had by far. I noticed one of our usual touring group wears one and he never seemed to need to faff about swapping kit, he just unzips vents or zips them up as needed.

Warm and dry in winter with layers but also vented enough for a European jaunt in summer with just a tee shirt beneath. Very well armoured, fairly stiff to wear but way less stiff than the heavier Rukka kit I also tried.

I recently saw the similar updated suit to the Enduroguard at Bahnstormers from the current clothing range, but can't recall its new designation.
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Good to know Puk. thanks for that. I'm guessing it either the Namib or the Moreno Jacket, will have to go and have a look
 
Avoid it unless the quality control has improved. Both my jackets leaked, 1st went back, the second one I sealed with a seam sealer. The first pair of troos leaked as well, the second pair are yet to be tested in the heavy rain. The gear is very heavy.

For road use I'd rather have my dainese gear.

That said..... For off-road use it's damn tough it's also very practical. I have the dark grey so it it hides the grime well. I have used it extensively off-road with the associated contact testing.

The venting is also pretty good. As well as front and rear vents at the side which go from shoulder to waist the front main zip is double with a mesh strip a couple of inches wide right in the centre of your chest

Overall it's overpriced for what it is, oh wait it's BMW so that goes without saying.

At the time the alternative was klim which everyone else had.

Despite my gripes about weight and water tightness and stiffness it's still my go-to gear. For summer /warm autumn I use a moose racing jacket with knock armour shirt for off-road.
 
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Wapping said:
The only reliable answer that addresses the ‘It’s too flipping hot’ problem is to have two suits. One to cope for the majority of the year, when it isn’t flipping hot and the other for use when it is.

Trying to find one suit that meets both demands is a fool’s errand.

Look after both and you’ll be able to sell them on, when the time comes.
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:agree
 
AnotherGSGSGS said:
Avoid it unless the quality control has improved. Both my jackets leaked, 1st went back, the second one I sealed with a seam sealer. The first pair of troos leaked as well, the second pair are yet to be tested in the heavy rain. The gear is very heavy.

For road use I'd rather have my dainese gear.

That said..... For off-road use it's damn tough it's also very practical. I have the dark grey so it it hides the grime well. I have used it extensively off-road with the associated contact testing.

The venting is also pretty good. As well as front and rear vents at the side which go from shoulder to waist the front main zip is double with a mesh strip a couple of inches wide right in the centre of your chest

Overall it's overpriced for what it is, oh wait it's BMW so that goes without saying.

At the time the alternative was klim which everyone else had.

Despite my gripes about weight and water tightness and stiffness it's still my go-to gear. For summer /warm autumn I use a moose racing jacket with knock armour shirt for off-road.
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Reading peoples experiences of pretty much all makes of kit, it appears that there are massive differences in levels of satisfaction. I don't have to ride at any time so I'm perhaps less critical of small leaks appearing as the kit ages but I appreciate your opinions.
Is the Enduro overkill for simple (vented) touring? I do like the tripple laminate functionality, cant stand the idea of drop liners.
 
Popell said:
Aye, but he wife seems not to understand (nor sympathise) with this philosophy
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In which case, I wouldn’t go with Enduroguard (or Klim Badlands) as an only suit. They’re well vented but heavy and catastrophically unbreathable in proper hot weather.

My vote would be for a decent, non-waterproof suit, a packable puffer jacket and a good set of waterproofs.
 
The other way to go might be the klim route. I recently bought the Klim Marrakesh trousers and have to say they're the most comfortable trousers I've ever worn, have been a revelation in the warmer days I've gone out in that finally, I have some that don't get at all sweaty yet are superbly made and cut just right (for me anyway) with really decent protection levels. Despite all the dire warning's they'd leak like a sieve in the slightest hint of rain, they don't, they shed it, at least light to moderate showers. For heavier downpours I'll simply wear overtrousers (military surplus goretex) and for winter, thermal leggings underneath. They do an equivalent jacket but for me, I'd want something with a little better wind chill protection for our winters, so have stuck with my Halvarssons prime jacket to cover winter months and will be buying a Klim Marrakesh jacket for my European tours in warmer weather and chucking in a lightweight waterproof overjacket. Not quite "one suite does it all" but about as near as you can get.
 
I use my Enduroguard for trail riding, October to April. It’s too hot for warmer times of year. Armour and a pack away rain jacket otherwise
 
Popell said:
Reading peoples experiences of pretty much all makes of kit, it appears that there are massive differences in levels of satisfaction. I don't have to ride at any time so I'm perhaps less critical of small leaks appearing as the kit ages but I appreciate your opinions.
Is the Enduro overkill for simple (vented) touring? I do like the tripple laminate functionality, cant stand the idea of drop liners.
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I would say it's overkill because it's so thick and heavy to allow for withstanding damage from off-road use. The leaks were not small. Both jackets leaked substantially along the shoulder and arm seams. The only thing I would say in its favour as a touring jacket is thick shell helps keep the cold out and it does that well for a shell only jacket which works fine for me as I use a heated jacket or heated sleeveless jacket and layer up accordingly to suit how cold it is.
 
I have had Enduroguard kit for several years. It’s been totally waterproof and never failed.

It’s not the coolest kit around, and it’s pretty stiff and heavy - but in a reassuring kind of way.

But in the 30+ degree heat in France over the summer I decided to change my approach and go with layers.

I’ve kept the Enduroguard because it’s an odd size, is a bit worn now, and owes me little.

The layering approach involves an Adventure Spec ‘Linesman’ jacket and trousers (not ‘pants’ ffs), with a Mosko Moto water proof over trousers and Adventure spec Singletrack waterproof jacket (that also doubles for dog walking duties).

That with a heated jacket now covers all angles for touring - I just layer up or down depending on conditions, and it’s worked well so far.

So in summary, Enduroguard is great, there are loads of options out there that will give you more flexibility.

As the boys in green say, any fool can be uncomfortable.
 
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