Braided Hoses for 1150 Brembo Evo Calipers ABS

[fatnfast]

I have searched the web, but it seems no one does a full stainless braided hose set for my 2002 1150 fitted with non-servo abs and the BMW badged Brembo 'Evo' calipers.Venhill have offered to copy a set, but its downtime I could do without at the moment.
Motoworks list up to 2001 for their sets, so dont cover the caliper.
Has anyone managed to buy a set ready to fit?
ta very much.

 

[david a hall]

I have searched the web, but it seems no one does a full stainless braided hose set for my 2002 1150 fitted with non-servo abs and the BMW badged Brembo 'Evo' calipers.Venhill have offered to copy a set, but its downtime I could do without at the moment.
Motoworks list up to 2001 for their sets, so dont cover the caliper.
Has anyone managed to buy a set ready to fit?
ta very much.

I had one made yesterday at castle coombe race track, took 5 mins I think it was goodridge components. it was just the rear one but they could of made all. Rear cost £20. Just go to nearest car performance place they will knock one up.

 

[monkeyboy]

I have searched the web, but it seems no one does a full stainless braided hose set for my 2002 1150 fitted with non-servo abs and the BMW badged Brembo 'Evo' calipers.Venhill have offered to copy a set, but its downtime I could do without at the moment.
Motoworks list up to 2001 for their sets, so dont cover the caliper.
Has anyone managed to buy a set ready to fit?
ta very much.

I was looking round earlier today for a braided clutch hose but saw these.

Or these and these from goodrich in the UK. Says non ABS/Evo and up to 2002.

 

[fatnfast]

Thanks Chaps.
I will see if I can find a local place that can help with them. The Goodridge ones that say up to 2002 proberbly wont fit as they are for the older Brembo caliper style. Motoworks list them only up to 2001 model for their sets. Even Real OEM parts list does not identify the correct caliper fitted to my bike! (June 2002 model).
Thanks for the links MonkeyBoy, mine has got ABS, just not the Servo type, but with Brembo evo calipers.

 

[Udders]

I have searched the web, but it seems no one does a full stainless braided hose set for my 2002 1150 fitted with non-servo abs and the BMW badged Brembo 'Evo' calipers.Venhill have offered to copy a set, but its downtime I could do without at the moment.
Motoworks list up to 2001 for their sets, so dont cover the caliper.
Has anyone managed to buy a set ready to fit?
ta very much.

I be interested in how you solve this cos I've got the identical model bike as you and was looking at replacing my brake lines when I have my fluid changed in the near future. Please let us / me know when you sort a set. Ta.

 

[hops]

not an easy task

I'm sure I've spoken to Steptoe about this before & if memory serves me right there are quite a variety of hose combinations used on the GS's to the point where he gave up trying to stock them.

It's a right pain in the arris but if you can best thing to do is remove the old hoses and send them off to whichever company you choose so they make an ident match.

This lot may be worth calling?

 

[ghiribizzo]

Venhill are usually excellent with service. A lot of other places doing off the shelf lines may say 'stainless hoses' but you find the fittings are plated.
Venhill stainless banjos are maybe a bit chunkier than some but really good finish.

 

[Ian J Hartley]

I had one made yesterday at castle coombe race track, took 5 mins I think it was goodridge components. it was just the rear one but they could of made all. Rear cost £20. Just go to nearest car performance place they will knock one up.

Now that is interesting!

Would the company be Merlin Motorsport? As they are approved Goodridge brake hose assembly and testing facility.

Only I need a set of hoses made for a 2003 twinspark with IABS ( servo abs )

Think I'll pay them a visit and get a quote.

 

[ChrisH Kerry]

Venhill are usually excellent with service.

+1 Just put a set of their brake lines on my 1150GS

 

[Steptoe]

I'm sure I've spoken to Steptoe about this before & if memory serves me right there are quite a variety of hose combinations used on the GS's to the point where he gave up trying to stock them.

HEL used to do a complete set for the later caliper abs set up for around £100, i sent a complete set of original hoses for them to copy

Hel even used to list them as "steptoe" 1150GS hoses for post 2001 abs bikes. Mind you, that was a few years ago.

 

[fatnfast]

Thanks all for the replies.
I called HEL who unfortunately now insist on the old hoses being sent to them to copy. I did mention the 'Steptoe' hoses, but he said they would still like them to copy.
I think I will give Venhill a try, having just fitted their hoses to my Kwak ZRX they are simple to fit and use compression connectors after the banjos which mean you are able to 'settle' the hose very easily.

I'll measure my standard hose lengths as I remove them and after the new lines have been made and fitted I will report back and post the details. It will take a week or two as I have to plan their removal around work. Hopefully that will be helpful to others in the future.

 

[ChrisH Kerry]

I think I will give Venhill a try, having just fitted their hoses to my Kwak ZRX they are simple to fit and use compression connectors after the banjos which mean you are able to 'settle' the hose very easily.

They do sell all the gubbins to make hoses up yourself which is what I was going to do until I discovered Motobins stock them off the shelf. It's all explained on their website here

 

[david a hall]

Now that is interesting!

Would the company be Merlin Motorsport? As they are approved Goodridge brake hose assembly and testing facility.

Only I need a set of hoses made for a 2003 twinspark with IABS ( servo abs )

Think I'll pay them a visit and get a quote.

Yep thats them, just a word of warning John likes to make them a little longer (makes sense) but he cut mine to long and it will need shortening. 1cm would be fine but mine looks 3cm to long.

 

[Steptoe]

Thanks all for the replies.
I called HEL who unfortunately now insist on the old hoses being sent to them to copy. I did mention the 'Steptoe' hoses, but he said they would still like them to copy.
.

Sorry, should have made it a bit clearer - they listed them as "neil harrison" hose, not steptoe.

But as i said, that was a few years ago now.

 

[fatnfast]

Cheers Neil, I did ask for the steptoe lines as well , but whoever I spoke to said there seems to be so many variations in lengths/fittings that they would like the hoses to copy to ensure they fit. I would imagine that they have to cope with people who have changed bars, fitted risers etc, so fair enough, and as you say it has been a while.

ChrisH, thanks for the link. I have already used Venhill to build up my lines for my Kwak ZRX, which due to various mods needed to be bespoke. Really easy to do and arrived the next day.
I spoke to Venhill today, they was very helpful, and by sending them the hoses they will do mine at trade price . He mentioned that they made them up for motobins, but when I checked their site the hoses have different banjos to mine. I have a feeling the only difference between up to 2001 (brembo badged calipers) and 2002 (BMW badged calipers, but made by Brembo) will be the fittings onto the calipers (mine are 90 degrees). Im only looking at the ABS set up though.

Managed to strip the hoses off today, so they are on their way. I have had my 1150 from new, so I know nothing has been messed with. I have measured the hoses up as well, and will post up the lengths in due course so others with the 'elite' Brembo Evos and ABS without the servo should be able to double check before ordering.

 

[fatnfast]

Hose update:
Venhill copied and returned the hoses within a week, unfortunately that didnt measure all of them correctly:

You can also see the the mounting hole on their brass t-piece is larger. Not an issue, I just used a washer before fitting the retaining nut.
At least it gave me a chance to get the lenghts spot on by having all the Venhill fittings to hand and doing it myself . So back they went and just a couple of days later the replacements turned up. This time they were the wrong colour and still not the lengths required. Another phone call and the next day the correct ones arrived .
Fitting was straightforward and made easy with the swivel fittings allowing everything to self-align.

As I had cracked into both front and rear brake systems I bled from the ABS unit as well as the calipers. There is a 'clutch' style bleed valve at the headstock you could use, but I didnt bother. It can be replaced with a normal banjo bolt if you like.



In the pic above you can see I was unable to refit the rubber grommit. This is because the Venhill fitting that passes through it is a little bigger. Not a problem really.

Bleeding on the front brakes was sped up by pushing the brake pistons fully in (also reduces air pockets) and turning the bars to the left and feathering the brake lever to get the air out of the master cylinder. I also like to get all the residue brake fluid out of the nipple and threads. We all know brake fluid absorbs water, so it will encourage corrosion over time. I stick a syringe on the end of the bleed nipple and force the stuff out. Obviously this is after the system is bled and everything buttoned up.


Despite the hicups in getting the right sizes, I would recommend Venhill. They never argued the point that they sent the wrong sizes and rectifed the issue straight away. If anyone does need hoses for a evo calipered (BMW badges Brembos) non servo, but with ABS system, Venhill should now be able to supply this. As an aside, I do have risers on my bars, which worked fine with standard BM's hoses and also with the Venhill ones.

 

[Ian J Hartley]

Despite the hicups in getting the right sizes, I would recommend Venhill. They never argued the point that they sent the wrong sizes and rectifed the issue straight away. If anyone does need hoses for a evo calipered (BMW badges Brembos) non servo, but with ABS system, Venhill should now be able to supply this. As an aside, I do have risers on my bars, which worked fine with standard BM's hoses and also with the Venhill ones.

I beg to differ. It took them two attempts to manufacture hoses from the pattern parts you sent them. That's not good.

The fitter doing the work needs more supervision, and or training. I suspect the third set were made by someone more competent. It's a good job there is a hugh markup on hoses otherwise Venhill would have made a financial loss on your job.

Still, all in all it worked out well in the end, despite your increased down time.

 

[rubberscrubber]

It that why we have the saying, 3rd time lucky

 

[fatnfast]

It that why we have the saying, 3rd time lucky

Ha Ha, very good . Maybe its as Mr H points out, they got the apprentice to make them up first time, the tea lady the second time and then the Boss the third time .
The quality looks good and hopefully any further orders will be spot on. Saying that, I've got the lever tied back tonight to make sure its all leak free. Knowing my luck I will have a look in the morning to find its all exploded and my paintwork has been stripped by the mother of all brake fluid fountains .

 

[Ian J Hartley]

Just hope the apprentice or the tea lady didn't do the pressure testing!

I've got my fingers crossed for you