Broken tyre valve

[littleredrooster]

It's another unnecessary complicated gadget to go wrong and cost loads to fix. How the feck did we manage for years without one on the bike? is it really that difficult to check pressures with an ordinary gauge?

That misses the point of TPS completely, which is to give warning of a deflating tyre when riding. Having been the victim of a high-speed puncture in the past, I would rather not repeat the experience, thank you. TPS may just give me the 2 or 3 seconds warning to stop safely rather than bin it.

It's like these fancy electronic suspension systems they fit these days, gadgets and gimmicks for the bone idle and victims of marketing hype

...and that misses the point of ESA as well. For anyone who goes from two-up, fully loaded to hooning about solo - possibly several times a day when on holiday - ESA is a worthwhile addition. Saves me grovelling about on my knees every time I load or unload.

Go on - tell us how good the points-and-coil ignition systems were, and how there's no Hall sensors to go wrong either...and sidevalves; why the hell do we need overhead valves and OHC. Marketing bloody hype...

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Not dissing tps but it isn't going to warn you about about a high speed puncture. They are typically sudden and no system will warn you about it. TPS was originally made for cars with run flat tyres because it is difficult to tell if they are punctured or not. They will warn you of a slow puncture which no doubt can be useful but it certainly isn't a gadget to let you forget about basic checks and maintenance like some people belive it is.

 

[ghost-rider]

Not dissing tps but it isn't going to warn you about about a high speed puncture. They are typically sudden and no system will warn you about it. TPS was originally made for cars with run flat tyres because it is difficult to tell if they are punctured or not. They will warn you of a slow puncture which no doubt can be useful but it certainly isn't a gadget to let you forget about basic checks and maintenance like some people belive it is.

This isnt right because, you get a high speed puncture it will ping up straight away, the only thing it wudnt see coming is a blow out, and by that point tps is probably the last thing on your mind!

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[WindyChuffer]

TPS is not a safety feature. It is for convenience only. Don't kid yourselves otherwise.

 

[FatAl]

That misses the point of TPS completely, which is to give warning of a deflating tyre when riding. Having been the victim of a high-speed puncture in the past, I would rather not repeat the experience, thank you. TPS may just give me the 2 or 3 seconds warning to stop safely rather than bin it.

...and that misses the point of ESA as well. For anyone who goes from two-up, fully loaded to hooning about solo - possibly several times a day when on holiday - ESA is a worthwhile addition. Saves me grovelling about on my knees every time I load or unload.

Go on - tell us how good the points-and-coil ignition systems were, and how there's no Hall sensors to go wrong either...and sidevalves; why the hell do we need overhead valves and OHC. Marketing bloody hype...

FFS get over yourself, its not that big a deal to adjust suspension settings manually, and as mentioned above TPS is more for convenience than safety. The other things you mention, well they aid reliability and improve performance.

 

[littleredrooster]

Not dissing tps but it isn't going to warn you about about a high speed puncture. They are typically sudden and no system will warn you about it.

...ahhh but...

They will warn you of a slow puncture which no doubt can be useful but it certainly isn't a gadget to let you forget about basic checks and maintenance like some people belive it is.

So - in your first sentence you say I'm wrong, and in your second you say I'm right...??

They will certainly never replace a proper pre-flight tyre check, which I do every time; they will, however - as you say give you warning of a deflating tyre. If you are going at some pace with load and pillion, for example, this could be the vital couple of seconds warning that you need.

 

[littleredrooster]

TPS is not a safety feature. It is for convenience only. Don't kid yourselves otherwise.

Sorry Windy, it's got nowt to do with convenience (to me, at least). It's only to do with a potentially very small timescale of advance warning of a biggy. It will never replace a proper check and I would never rely on it as an absolute measure.

Sorry to disagree and all that.

 

[snelly]

Tubeless rims these days are just about fool proof,so unless you run over something very hard or sharp the chances of a blow out are quite slim.Tps i would suppose give you a little more confidence. But to be honest looking at the problems it seems to throw up on here,i would say it was a bit of overkill and not a must have feature.

 

[Bendy toy]

Ive been driving since the mid 1970s and had only one blow out. I have had one car tyre go flat quite rapidly but it did not actually blow out. The other one was on a caravan that had been stored. I took a chance towing it on old tyres and had to change the wheel. The really did go with a bang but I suspect it had been vibrating (not felt because it wasn't on the car) long before it failed.

The TPS is a handy accessory but I've lived without mine for at least 6 months and I'm still breathing. The triangle is a bit annoying because it masks anything else from showing up. Yes the legend changes, but that's really not obvious.

Anyone who is really worried about blow-outs or rapid deflation should use PunctureSafe. It safely seals small holes and reduces the rate of air loss when there is a tear in a sidewall allowing more time to stop. Its also safe with TPS monitors and my tyre fitter has no issues about repairing a PS treated tyre.

 

[ghost-rider]

Tubeless rims these days are just about fool proof,so unless you run over something very hard or sharp the chances of a blow out are quite slim.Tps i would suppose give you a little more confidence. But to be honest looking at the problems it seems to throw up on here,i would say it was a bit of overkill and not a must have feature.

this comment is a load of bollox, sorry to be so blunt "chances of a blowout are quite slim", so if your side walls are all perished and cracked or badly bulged etc. due to lack of maintenance, theres no chance of a blowout???, an tps is overkill, as has been said, it warns you your losing air fast or for what ever reason, so as far as im concerned its a safety feature and can only be a good thing

 

[snelly]

this comment is a load of bollox, sorry to be so blunt "chances of a blowout are quite slim", so if your side walls are all perished and cracked or badly bulged etc. due to lack of maintenance, theres no chance of a blowout???, an tps is overkill, as has been said, it warns you your losing air fast or for what ever reason, so as far as im concerned its a safety feature and can only be a good thing

No problem with that Ghost ,whatever makes you feel safe is good for YOUR mind.But i have to say in 200,000 mls on two wheels and 33yrs hgv. The only blow out i,ve ever suffered was on a GS 1000 S in 1980 , on a fuckin tubeless tyre. Just as a footnote i use to be a tyre fitter ,so i do think i know little bit about punctures.

 

[WindyChuffer]

Sorry Windy, it's got nowt to do with convenience (to me, at least). It's only to do with a potentially very small timescale of advance warning of a biggy. It will never replace a proper check and I would never rely on it as an absolute measure.

Sorry to disagree and all that.

If it was a safety feature a fekkin loud alarm would go off. Plus you would likely have redundancy. You can't rely on seeing a warning light out of your peripheral vision. If you see it and are able to act then brill. But don't kid yourself its a safety device. At best these things are fickle and convenient not to mention the stems being made of cheese which is the weak point and likely cause of failure.

 

[seadog]

Anyone who is really worried about blow-outs or rapid deflation should use PunctureSafe. It safely seals small holes and reduces the rate of air loss when there is a tear in a sidewall allowing more time to stop. Its also safe with TPS monitors and my tyre fitter has no issues about repairing a PS treated tyre.

Not according to online reviews it's not, seems to damage the sensors after a few months, we're your TPS ok then?

 

[Bendy toy]

My wire wheels were fine. I never got around to using it in the alloys.

However I have used Slime in the past which clumped onto paint scratches inside the the alloy rim where it caused corrosion. Puncture safe is guaranteed to not cause corrosion so I see no reason for it to affect the TPS. It's also used by the Police so cant be too bad.

 

[Bendy toy]

Another point about in tyre sealants -

They need enough goo in the tyre to be effective but too much will cause problems. Fill the tyre with the valve core removed then blow through with air before replacing the valve core.

As said before, I found Slime caused corrosion on unprotected alloy so would def not trust it with TPS monitors. I would not use emergency puncture tyre sealant aerosol cans for the same reason.

 

[snelly]

this comment is a load of bollox, sorry to be so blunt "chances of a blowout are quite slim", so if your side walls are all perished and cracked or badly bulged etc. due to lack of maintenance, theres no chance of a blowout???, an tps is overkill, as has been said, it warns you your losing air fast or for what ever reason, so as far as im concerned its a safety feature and can only be a good thing

See post 35. The tyre on the GS 1000 Was tubed.sorry for the typo.

 

[littleredrooster]

If it was a safety feature a fekkin loud alarm would go off. Plus you would likely have redundancy...

Errrmm...is ABS a safety feature? Does it have a "fekkin loud alarm"? Does it have redundancy?

D'ya wanna think that one through again?

I'll reiterate: it's a potentially useful bit of kit for minimal cost which could make a difference between staying on board and binning it.

 

[ghost-rider]

Errrmm...is ABS a safety feature? Does it have a "fekkin loud alarm"? Does it have redundancy?

D'ya wanna think that one through again?

I'll reiterate: it's a potentially useful bit of kit for minimal cost which could make a difference between staying on board and binning it.

Exactly! Couldnt agree more!



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[WindyChuffer]

Errrmm...is ABS a safety feature? Does it have a "fekkin loud alarm"? Does it have redundancy?

D'ya wanna think that one through again?

I'll reiterate: it's a potentially useful bit of kit for minimal cost which could make a difference between staying on board and binning it.

Why would ABS need a loud alarm? It just kicks in when it needs to and you can feel the pulsing. Whereas for TPS to be any good as a safety feature it needs a fekkin loud alarm. Otherwise you just won't notice the little flashing light in time. Unless you are one of those that rides looking at their instruments as opposed to the road ahead and corresponding hazards. So TPS is not a safety feature, it's for convenience !

Sure its a small cost to get it specced on a new bike, but the running costs are not small. The batteries in the sensors don't last long and they are a head fuck to fix. Plus the valve stems are made of cheese. I have had one snap on me when removing the valve cap leaving me stranded. Haven't used mine for a year now as using a set of non-TPS wheels.

 

[Beemerman59]

Whereas for TPS to be any good as a safety feature it needs a fekkin loud alarm. Otherwise you just won't notice the little flashing light in time.

Not true. I've had two punctures both of which I got early warning of via the TPS before I noticed it myself. Once was while doing an overtake at 70mph - believe me I wasn't looking at the clocks and when the yellow lamp flashed up I noticed it straight away and by the time I pulled in safely it was down to 10psi. I still check my pressures every ride manually and in my view the TPS are, whilst not a make or break accessory, not just a convenience either. If that's your view then that's fine but don't try and force your opinion down anyone else's throat.