Bullet cam....opinions anyone????

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Gavin4333 said:
Has anybody got, used, or got an opinion on, one of these?

http://www.actioncameras.co.uk/acatalog/Archos_Helmet_Camera_Packages.html


Or what's your recommendation????

I have the same setup but with the Archos AV500.

It is excellent, and the button on the cable to start and stop recording is the a real benefit, everything is powered from the system.

I have the system where you use a video camera and batteries etc and the Archos beats it for usability hands down.

I put the whole thing in one of the bar pouches from Hein Gericke....
 
A friend used an Archos but the hard drive couldn't stand the vibrations. He went through two. He now uses a Sony processional digital tape recorder but it was expensive. There again, it is used as a part of his business so cost was not a great factor.

I use a bog standard Sony video camera, powered from the bilke, with a LANC switch and a bullet cam. Works 100% and can use the camera for off-bike 'normal' use.
 
I've been toying with the idea of recording some movie clips when away touring but as someone who has never used a camcorder in my life, I have a few questions.

Mainly I'm concerned about capacity of the recording device and power. I usually opt for camping so recharging has to be done from the bike whilst on the move.

Ideally I'd like to find something that would allow me to set it up on the bike and be able to flick on the recording when there's a decent view, a nice piece of road etc.

What I'm worried about is running out of capacity halfway through a trip and then be faced with the choice of wiping earlier recordings only to find that what I've replaced it with isn't as good.

I'm also in the dark about transferring the recordings to a permanent source.

I suppose there are various programmes for editing but there seems to be so many different types of file that I'm a bit confused. Ideally I'd like to be able to embed some clips into future blog entries.

Would one of these 'packages' be best or buy a decent camera with the required outlet for a bullet-cam? Are there add-on or replacement memory capacities for camcorders?
 
Mike..

MikeP said:
I've been toying with the idea of recording some movie clips when away touring but as someone who has never used a camcorder in my life, I have a few questions.

Mainly I'm concerned about capacity of the recording device and power. I usually opt for camping so recharging has to be done from the bike whilst on the move.

Ideally I'd like to find something that would allow me to set it up on the bike and be able to flick on the recording when there's a decent view, a nice piece of road etc.

What I'm worried about is running out of capacity halfway through a trip and then be faced with the choice of wiping earlier recordings only to find that what I've replaced it with isn't as good.

I'm also in the dark about transferring the recordings to a permanent source.

I suppose there are various programmes for editing but there seems to be so many different types of file that I'm a bit confused. Ideally I'd like to be able to embed some clips into future blog entries.

Would one of these 'packages' be best or buy a decent camera with the required outlet for a bullet-cam? Are there add-on or replacement memory capacities for camcorders?
Have toyed with the idea myself, did find a good web site which provides everything you would need... :D
 
If you pass by Wokingham at any stage you can have a try of my Archos.

It is the 60GB type and could be powered directly from the bike, I have had mine for quite a while and use it on my dirtbike to capture friends falling off so I can take the piss out of them later. The hard disk in mine is still fine but I do wrap it in bubble wrap for offroad use.

60GB will do about 60 hours of video, there are car chargers etc available for it and it is a simple drag and drop to get it onto your computer.
 
Bikes and Camcorders!

I've used a Sony HC22 for a couple of years now, usually pillion operated over my shoulder or for a rear view with good results, battery lfe is 50 or thirty minutes continuous and we have a charger! Trouble is you need a pillion and intercom!! :(

But, then I bought a ram camera mount and fasten it to either the engine bars or handlebars with surprisingly good results. You can reach down with your left hand and switch the camera on and record and stop quite easily on the move, you can also see whats recording through the viewing 'flap'. :thumb

I've only used the Ram mount a couple of times and have a cover for the camera when it's not in use or simply remove it fromthe ram ball mount!

As for 'Bullet' cameras I'm interested in these but know nothing about them, the beauty of the Digicam is that you can edit 'on the move' so to speak and check the video you have just made and re-record if there are raindrops on the lens or the video is crap!!

So, I too would like to know more about these, their simplicity, reliability, ease of use etc or I'll just stick with my trusty old battle scarred camcorder! :beerjug:
 
I went about it all ass about face, ended up buying the previous version of this from Maplin.

I need to set up a power feed for it, but more importantly I need to work out what I can use to record from it, can anyone tell me what inputs the Archos takes or any alternative? I've got the option of BNC or Composite Video Lead

It was bought on a bit of a whim, kind of like a number of you I've toyed with the idea for a while, just never really justified it, though I've seen some great results from other people. At the moment its still sitting in its box on the shelf.
 
Farmer Palmer said:
I've only used the Ram mount a couple of times and have a cover for the camera when it's not in use or simply remove it from the ram ball mount!
Be wary of the Ram-mount on the engine bars. I used to mount my first digital stills camera in a similar manner. Good results too until the insides were shaken to bits!

On camera number two now! :o

Some food for thought on the camcorder etc. front. 60 hours sounds quite a lot.
 
MikeP said:
I've been toying with the idea of recording some movie clips when away touring but as someone who has never used a camcorder in my life, I have a few questions.

Mainly I'm concerned about capacity of the recording device and power. I usually opt for camping so recharging has to be done from the bike whilst on the move.

Ideally I'd like to find something that would allow me to set it up on the bike and be able to flick on the recording when there's a decent view, a nice piece of road etc.

What I'm worried about is running out of capacity halfway through a trip and then be faced with the choice of wiping earlier recordings only to find that what I've replaced it with isn't as good.

I'm also in the dark about transferring the recordings to a permanent source.

I suppose there are various programmes for editing but there seems to be so many different types of file that I'm a bit confused. Ideally I'd like to be able to embed some clips into future blog entries.

Would one of these 'packages' be best or buy a decent camera with the required outlet for a bullet-cam? Are there add-on or replacement memory capacities for camcorders?

Mike

Three basic choices:

(i) A vanilla digital camcorder mounted on the bike (takes a bit of trial and error) works well enough. You can run it off the device's batteries or power it off the bike. I use an iGo to power mine, simply because I can use the same single iGo device to power / charge everything, from my camera(s) to my camcorder, mobile 'phone(s), Ipod to my Blackberry via the mains or from the bike.

The camcorder will run as long as the tape or batteries will last, which is quite sufficient for most uses.

Advantages.

Cheap
Good enough for many.
Camcorder can be used for other filming.


Disadvantages:

Sometimes fiddly to operate on the move.
Has to be mounted / dismounted each time.
Sometimes spend valuable seconds looking at the screen, admiring your Polanski like talents, rather than looking at the fast approaching bend
The camera gets wet (expensive or terminal).

(ii) A vanilla camcorder as above, powered by batteries or off the bike, linked to a bullet cam (dead easy) with a simple LANC switch (powers the camera on and off) mounted on the handlebars or simply trailed onto your tankbag.

You will need a camcorder with a A / V socket and a LANC socket, which most have nowadays but check first.

Advanatges:

The camera can be used on and off bike, just like normal.
The camera can live in your tankbag, where it won't get wet.
Once set up the bullet cams are excellent. Like most things it takes a bit of trial and error. They stay permanently mounted, so less fiddling.
The separate LANC switch means that you can look at the road and simply turn the camera on and off at will.
Choice of lenses in bullet cams, so you can change depth of field. Largely depends on what you are filming, 'views' or your mate's latest knee down action.
You can add multiple bullet cams, front / back and switch between them on the move, but we are probably getting ahead of ourselves.

Disadvantages:

More money than the above but will pay for itself when you save your camera from getting wet.


(iii) As above, but substituting an Archos (or similar) device.

Advantages

Mega storage capacity
Some devices allow 'in the box' editing.
Good quality pictures but not vastly better than a decent camcorder.
Bullet cams as above.

Disadvantages

Not as flexible as a simple camcorder. You cannot take pictures with an Archos, only store them.
Pricey.
Hard drives may (or may not) be a problem.

On thing is for sure. you will end up with a lot of film that will need editing into shorter snips. It gets boring watching mile after mile of road, even when you are the star!

Cheers,

Richard
 
Wapping said:
It gets boring watching mile after mile of road, even when you are the star!

Hummmmm... this is the main thing that I thinks been putting me off, I've got tons of stills I never get to look at and I know just how boring it is watching family videos...
 
Wapping said:
(ii) A vanilla camcorder as above, powered by batteries or off the bike, linked to a bullet cam (dead easy) with a simple LANC switch (powers the camera on and off) mounted on the handlebars or simply trailed onto your tankbag.

You will need a camcorder with a A / V socket and a LANC socket, which most have nowadays but check first.

Advantages:

The camera can be used on and off bike, just like normal.
The camera can live in your tankbag, where it won't get wet.
Once set up the bullet cams are excellent. Like most things it takes a bit of trial and error. They stay permanently mounted, so less fiddling.
The separate LANC switch means that you can look at the road and simply turn the camera on and off at will.
Choice of lenses in bullet cams, so you can change depth of field. Largely depends on what you are filming, 'views' or your mate's latest knee down action.
You can add multiple bullet cams, front / back and switch between them on the move, but we are probably getting ahead of ourselves.

Disadvantages:

More money than the above but will pay for itself when you save your camera from getting wet.


On thing is for sure. you will end up with a lot of film that will need editing into shorter snips. It gets boring watching mile after mile of road, even when you are the star!

Cheers,

Richard

Richard,

Thanks. Option two seems to be what I really want (I think)!

I've been looking at various camcorders and I suppose I need to work out which one will do the job. There's still the issue of capacity.

The ability to switch it on and off on the move is essential. I must admit I hadn't given much thought to bullet cam focal length either.

To explain the sort of use: Earlier this year in the Voges, I found loads of great forestry tracks, fantastic views etc. but I only found one opportunity to stop and take a photo. The ability to just capture some footage for later editing is what I want.

I've seen that some camera's allow a fair bit of editing on them. That might be good for saving memory.

Next I need to work out what some of the stuff like HDD and MiniDV means!
 
Mike,

I had a bullet camera setup on my helmet with the video camera mounted on the bike. I got some really good moving footage with it.

The canon cameras with an i after the numbers have an analogue input that will work with the Bullet camera. I went for the 450i, factory reconditioned from Ebay. The video is as good as the later camcorders but the still photo quality is quite low. Make sure any camcorder you buy has a LANC input so that you can use the Lanc sports controller from these guys http://www.sports-camera.com/index.htm this allows you to control the camera using your thumb. I stuck the Lanc controller to the big space on the left hand switchgear using silicon adhesive. The external microphone with the the bullet camera kit can be mounted on the bike away from direct wind noise.

I made a wiring harness to drop on the bike to allow me to fit the camera in my tank bag. this meant the camera could be unplugged in a few seconds and used as a standard camcorder.


The setup worked really well and has now been sold to MrIfan for his African tours. It's probably still stashed with his huge gadget collection in deepest darkest Derbyshire :D
 
Rob,

Very useful info. Thanks. I certainly plan to do this come the Jan sales and see what deals on camera's are about.

:clap
 
Ditto what Rob Farmer said.

One thing I did find is that having a helmet mounted bullet cam was best for 'off road' and an on-bike camera for regular road riding. Why?

On the balckstuff, your head, other than when you fall off, is always near enough level with the horizon (road). This creates a very odd effect when riding down twisty highways, particularly when following and filming the bike in front. As you corner the bike in front (and yours) tips to the right or left, but your head stays relativly level. All of the lean vanishes on the film and the viewer either ends up a little seasick or it looks plain odd.

Off-road your body acts as a shockabsorber, smoothing out the bangs and bumps (makes the film less jerky) but smooth vertical rises and falls are more exagerated, which is what you want to see on the film.
 
Richard,

I've been thinking along the same lines. Those helmet mounted camera clips I've seen have me tilting my head to keep the perspective.

Is it possible to mount two bullet-cams and feed them both to the camcorder, switching between by some remote switch?

I don't do much riding with others so I've no real intention of filming another rider. I often look back through my photo's and remember some breathtaking views. It's for that sort of situation that I think a helmet mounted camera would be best. There would be a lot of footage that would have to be edited out but the ability to splice together the sections where I can take my eyes off the road and direct the camera to the views is what I'm really after.
 
I use a bullet cam kit from RF Concepts, coupled into a Sony Camera in the tank bag... great fun :D

:beerjug:
www.adventure.gs
 

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MikeP said:
Richard,

I've been thinking along the same lines. Those helmet mounted camera clips I've seen have me tilting my head to keep the perspective.

Is it possible to mount two bullet-cams and feed them both to the camcorder, switching between by some remote switch?

I don't do much riding with others so I've no real intention of filming another rider. I often look back through my photo's and remember some breathtaking views. It's for that sort of situation that I think a helmet mounted camera would be best. There would be a lot of footage that would have to be edited out but the ability to splice together the sections where I can take my eyes off the road and direct the camera to the views is what I'm really after.

Mike,

Yes, you can have several bullet cams feeding one camera (or Arcos) but only one at a time will be 'live'. So you need an 'On-on' switch to switch between cameras. It's quite easy and you can get prespliced leads. What a friend found was that the rear camera (he has front and back bullet cams) picked up interference, probably from the ECU. It took a while to get it routed and screened properly. This should not be a problem if you only have one forward facing bullet cam and a single recording device.

You can also get a clever device that takes the live feed from two or more cameras and converts it into a single signal, giving you, say, a quartered screen. Think department store security camera footage. This latter option is probably best left until you have got the hang of one camera :)

I don't particularly like helmet cams as, Sod's law, you forget that it's attached when you get off. Add the camera lead to the Autocom lead (if you have one) and it's two wires too many IMHO. What I have done is wire the camera via my Autocom so that I can speak onto the recording film. It's sometimes helpful to simply say, "Road between Nimes and Avignon", or whatever, just to remind you.

I think it would be easiest to start with a basic camcorder, running through a bullet cam and keep the camera in your tankbag. You could then film your ride via the bike mounted camera and simply whip the camera out when you stop, unwire it, shoot what you like and then wire it up again. Getting the wires neat is an art in itself and comes better and better the more times you try it.

The camcorder tapes typically last 60 minutes, so that's one hell of a lot of film. You can do some pretty good basic editing, enough to get you started at least, with the bog standard Microsoft stuff loaded into Windows XP. Once you have got the hang of it there are assorted bits of software that you can download or buy that will enable you to make some pretty professional looking films. However, rather like the infamous holiday pic's, ones efforts are not always fully appreciated.

I am trying to find the link from the people I bought my kit from. I'll post it when I find it. I got a lot of help and advice from a chum of mine who does a lot of Rospa instructing and / track days. He uses multiple cameras on multiple bikes. Over the years he has found out what works well and what doesn't.
 
Mike,

With all your new electrical gubbins you will need an iGo.

Top bit of kit! 100% reliable and saves karting multiple transformers around. Works on the bike, on an aeroplane and at home. I have even borrowed electricity from a supermarket in Spain when I went shopping.

Go to http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63885&highlight=igo and scroll down.
 


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