Bus lane ban to remain for ROI bikers

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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2008/0723/1216740950169.html

Bus lane ban stays for bikers

MOTORCYCLISTS ARE to remain banned from bus lanes after the Road Safety Authority (RSA) found "little or no" safety benefit would be gained from changing the law. The decision follows consideration of a report from the Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) hired by the RSA to study whether lifting the ban would lead to fewer crashes involving motorcyclists.

Motorcyclists have disproportionately high crash and fatality rates. There were 34,900 motorbikes licensed in 2006 accounting for just 1.5 per cent of vehicles on the road. However, in 2006, 29 motorcyclists died in crashes which is 8 per cent of all road deaths. More than 80 others were seriously injured.

Documents released to The Irish Times show the TRL report found motorcycles would be required to "mingle" with buses, cyclists and pedestrians when using bus lanes. It also highlighted complications associated with certain manoeuvres which may require motorcyclists to cross several lanes. The study found no compelling case from a road safety point of view for allowing motorbikes to use bus lanes.

A spokesman for the RSA said an expert group comprising gardaí, Dublin City Council, the Dublin Transport Office and expert motorcyclists, had been established to consider the TRL report and recommended no change. The spokesman added that a report was being prepared for the Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey.

The decision has dismayed the Irish Motorcyclists Action Group (Mag), which lobbied hard for a change to the current policy. Linda Ó Loideoin, road safety officer with Mag, said she was "disappointed and surprised" at the decision.

"All the research, with the exception of the recent London bus lanes study, found it improved safety. In Belfast they have continued trials where motorbikes were allowed to use bus lanes," she said. Mag has been lobbying for a change in the law since "the 1990s", and would seek a meeting with the RSA to discuss its decision. Mag is the only Irish-based motorcyclists' representative group.

Following a similar review, Britain decided to allow local councils to permit motorcyclists use bus lanes on a "case-by-case" basis.

The Road Collision Facts for 2006 noted that the majority of motorcyclists are killed at weekends, and over two-thirds of deaths happen outside built-up areas, on roads with a speed limit of over 60km/h. In that year a motorcyclist was 13 times more likely to be killed than a car user, and three times more likely to be killed than a cyclist.
 
And what I'd like to do about it...

I've posted this idea on IBF back in May as a possible bus lane protest. I'd be interested to know what people on here think of it...

"A protest would have to cause disruption to get noticed. Disruption would cast bikers in a negative light.

Imagine this though: A "protest" gets organised and 60-70 bikes turn up at say, Blanchardstown shopping centre - at 8am on a Monday morning. Said bikers then head into town on the Navan road in an open staggered formation with nothing more than two aims (i) to disperse (head off to work) after a pre-determined point en-route has been passed and (ii) to stay out of the bus lanes for the duration, and ride by the book. Result massive tailbacks. No big rally, no speeches, no flag waving, no Garda escorts, just a moxy load of bikes to delay the regular traffic.

Then on Tuesday the N2. On Wednesday the N11, Thursday the N4. etc. and so forth. IMO it would need circa 100 bikes to have any impact at all."

I call this idea "ride-to-rule". If we had 100 bikes in staggered formation with a minimum of 1 bike length between them, we'd have a fine tailback on any of the commuter routes at rush hour just by not using the bus lanes.

Maybe ring traffic watch and tell them there is a "ride-to-rule" under way on whatever road just before we set off.

Thoughts on this anyone?
 
the amount of oil deposited onto the bus lanes by the buses its hardly worth it.

But:rob bikes should IMO have the option of using bus lanes.

Know someone on the RSA, must ask him why? wont see him for a while so don't expect an answer from me any time soon...
 
bus lanes belfast

Seems to be the way forward in Belfast but there is only one problem, every other bit of traffic uses them(as they are all turning left 600 miles down the road) and there appears to be no enforcement.:rob

Great Idea for Dublin though I would like to see that:thumb2
 
A spokesman for the RSA said an expert group comprising gardaí, Dublin City Council, the Dublin Transport Office and expert motorcyclists, had been established to consider the TRL report and recommended no change. The spokesman added that a report was being prepared for the Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey.
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What id like to know is who are the "expert motorcyclists" ???
anybody know who they maybe :nenau
 
As far as I can see in my limited times at home, using the bus lanes sensibly is done and tolerated on Stillorgan road. However, the chicane at Donnybrook and again around Leeson St Bridge take a bit of managing.

Would it be wrong to say "keep using them" and stay under the radar ?

Has anyone been fined so far?

Bin
 
their website will not open for me. Might find some more info there if you can get into it:nenau

Otherwise i imagine Ogmios will probably know most of them...

As I understand it (and I am open to correction here), they're a group of civil servants who were sent to train with the traffic division of the Gardai. The idea was that these rookies would then examine our current crop of real, experienced, qualified instructors for inclusion on the RSA's new register of approved instructors.

No, I'm not making it up. Og will probably be along soon with the finer details.
 
"The TRL report found motorcycles would be required to "mingle" with buses, cyclists and pedestrians when using bus lanes." From this you could infer that buses, cyclists and pedestrians are out to get us, and the ban is to protect us from them.

This is some interesting reading.
Bikers in Dublin are approx 4 times more likely to be killed than those in Limerick, while those in Cork are twice as likely.
Seventy percent of motorcyclists killed in the period 1997-2006 were male aged 17-34, 62% of motorcyclists seriously injured were male aged 17-34. Sixty-five per cent of these fatalities happened on Sunday, Saturday and
Friday.
The biggest single cause is single vehicle accidents.
Since 1997 motorcycle registrations have increased by 43 per cent whereas the motorcycle rider fatalities have decreased by 57 per cent.
 
to put it mildly we (MAG) are not happy.
we will be taking action on this.

i like the "Ride To Rule" idea.

i will let you know as soon as i know what is planned.

your support - whether a member or not, whether you agree with MAGs position on other issues or not, would obviously be appreciated.
All constructive input is welcome.

i'll keep you posted.
 
I don't pop up to Dublin often but when there formed the impression that bikers are tolerated in bus lanes - so I join in discretely (on the bike). Have any bikers been legally sanctioned for use of bus lanes? Or is this another example of an Irish solution to an Irish problem - a tendency to produce rules that everyone is then free to disregard as they will not be enforced. Some call it hypocrisy - others call it pragmatism.
 
It's illegal, but the Gardai do usually turn a blind eye as long as common sense is being demonstrated by the rider. Usually, but not always, and on those occasions it'll cost you €60.

There's also the legal implications of an accident or claim. Even if the incident is not the fault of the rider, they could be held partly responsible because they were in the bus lane when, legally, they had no right to be there.

Yes, it's all a bit Irish. But the only common sense solution is to regularise the current situation where bikes routinely use the bus lanes in heavy traffic.
 
I watch this process when on bike or as this morning in car. Cannot imagine how bikes and scooters will go in and out of bus lanes without causing "issues" - it is done now in a tentative way knowing it will be your own fault if it goes wrong, and this breeds a useful level of care / fear. One noisy scooter went past me like he had a deathwish. Let him in and out of the buslane and he will probably finish the job.
 
As I understand it (and I am open to correction here), they're a group of civil servants who were sent to train with the traffic division of the Gardai. The idea was that these rookies would then examine our current crop of real, experienced, qualified instructors for inclusion on the RSA's new register of approved instructors.

No, I'm not making it up. Og will probably be along soon with the finer details.

If motorcyclists where given the green light on bus lanes,
this would make the bike test very interesting as the examiner
would not be able to follow him in his car into the bus lane :nenau
 
If motorcyclists where given the green light on bus lanes,
this would make the bike test very interesting as the examiner
would not be able to follow him in his car into the bus lane :nenau

Ah yes, another very Irish situation. As a certain well known TV priest would have said;

Aww c'mon now Ted!
 


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