Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

New clutch pack fitted Friday.
Amazing, still not a slick change but significant improvement.
No more grinding under hard acceleration in 1st 2nd and 3rd. Neutral selection on a par with other bikes now.
Result at last..






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I still cannot understand why they launched such an important model with gearchange issues.
Don't they have road testers?
Mind you it hasn't effected sales.
My 14 GSA isn't a problem and happy enough but it is clunky in town. Not a patch on my 2010 TC.
 
Pulled the covers off my 3 1/2 year old 15,000 mile tc on Friday, washed it down and checked it over then went for a run .

Okay it isn't as quick off the mark as the lc but the gearbox is infintely better with smooth changes , no clunks or other histronics.

The suspension , which I admit is Maxton is superb, it is reasonably firm yet supple and comfortable and gives excellent roadholding.........again unlike the lc's esa.

The finish has stood up very well, there are no paints chips, absolutely no corrosion since I touched up the centre stand , no baggy seats and all of the switchgear is still working .......... again unlike the lc
 
The more I read about the lc the less likely I am to change to one. Quite sad really.

Yep, that is quite sad. Sad that you'll make a decision based on what you've read on here, from a handful of unhappy owners, rather than realising that there are tens of thousands of people with no issues.:rolleyes:
 
I think there would be very few owners of both versions would rate the older better than the LC. I for one reckon the gear change on the new is much better than the old , and I would then go on to say that every other feature is an upgrade. I do understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder , and that for different people bikes mean and do different things. I have just come back from Phillip IS and did a lot of the 2,000 k journey through winding roads with most of the group behind me. This bike is IMO a fantastic compromise , and I say this after owning Buell's, Multi Strada's , and an assortment of road bikes in the BMW range. I would suggest a test ride before any decision , but then again a competent reviewer would do this anyway ?
 
Yep, that is quite sad. Sad that you'll make a decision based on what you've read on here, from a handful of unhappy owners, rather than realising that there are tens of thousands of people with no issues.:rolleyes:

A handful?
You're having a giraffe aren't you :blast
 
I think there would be very few owners of both versions would rate the older better than the LC.

I've owned both at the same time, and after 2 LC bikes, the bike parked in my garage is a twin cam !

I've rode quite a few LC bikes now (gs/gsa) and whilst there faster there not a patch on my twin cam, that's just my opinion.
 
I've owned both at the same time, and after 2 LC bikes, the bike parked in my garage is a twin cam !

I've rode quite a few LC bikes now (gs/gsa) and whilst there faster there not a patch on my twin cam, that's just my opinion.

I've owned both, a TC for 2 years and a LC for 18 months. I much prefer the LC.
Yes it clunks into first gear but it's hardly a problem and after that it changes just fine, in fact better than my TC which used to jump out of gear sometimes.

The LC is a brilliant bike both on and off road and I'm enjoying ever minute of owning and riding it :thumb2

Just my opinion :)
 
I've owned both, a TC for 2 years and a LC for 18 months. I much prefer the LC.
Yes it clunks into first gear but it's hardly a problem and after that it changes just fine, in fact better than my TC which used to jump out of gear sometimes.

The LC is a brilliant bike both on and off road and I'm enjoying ever minute of owning and riding it :thumb2

Just my opinion :)

I had 3 twin cams, and am on my third LC. The current version is, without doubt, the best GS BMW has produced to date.:JB
 
My first test ride on the LC was in epic rain and cold and i could not see myself swapping the TC for one.

The second time i took one out it was dry and decent and i was smitten !

Yes it lurches a little when engaging first gear and yes neutral can sometimes be a bit tricky to find (clumsy footed) but other than that it is a better bike in every way compared to the TC ( That is to say its a better bike for me and what i want from it) The TC used to lurch into first too but for all of these things i forgive it.

The suspension is quite sublime (I only weigh 13 stone) and that is comparing it to the wilburs equipped old bike. The performance is better and i find it a bit comfier as well ( the heated grips with the bark busters are good enough so who cares.

To all the Naysayers i would respond that one mans meat etc, Crikey some people even like that honda cross dresser thing !

And Road craft rider who has a 90th Anniv Adventure refuses to try mine, His bike is a great bike and well sorted and i love it like it was mine but he won't try mine because he knows he will then want one !
 
Interesting....

How do you define 'best'

:nenau

Everything about it is a step up from the twin cam. It's smoother. More responsive. More comfortable. The revised Dynamic ESA is better than on the twin cam, as it soaks up all the bumps one minute, and the next minute you can firm it up, and go sportsbike baiting. The different suspension settings on my twin cams weren't as noticeable. It's more fun to ride. It sounds better. It looks better. The weight distribution is better, making it feel much lighter than the previous version. It has more useful features.

I could carry on.;)
 
Everything about it is a step up from the twin cam. It's smoother. More responsive. More comfortable. The revised Dynamic ESA is better than on the twin cam, as it soaks up all the bumps one minute, and the next minute you can firm it up, and go sportsbike baiting. The different suspension settings on my twin cams weren't as noticeable. It's more fun to ride. It sounds better. It looks better. The weight distribution is better, making it feel much lighter than the previous version. It has more useful features.

I could carry on.;)

Ever thought about a career in journalism....
 
Everything about it is a step up from the twin cam. It's smoother. More responsive. More comfortable. The revised Dynamic ESA is better than on the twin cam, as it soaks up all the bumps one minute, and the next minute you can firm it up, and go sportsbike baiting. The different suspension settings on my twin cams weren't as noticeable. It's more fun to ride. It sounds better. It looks better. The weight distribution is better, making it feel much lighter than the previous version. It has more useful features.

I could carry on.;)

I can't comment on the LC as have never ridden one, but yours is purely a personal and subjective opinion - which I'm fine with by the way. But my '08 GSA performs as well as I want in all the categories you mention so for me an LC wouldn't be a better bike - just my opinion. As a Gelande Strasse model though, would you take your LC around the world? I wouldn't even take mine with all the on board electronics that it has - if I was using a GS in that mode, I would take the most basic one I could get that's fixable by the roadside or at least a dodgy mechanic somewhere. That to me would make the best GS either an 80,100,1100 or at a push an 1150. I know everyone will rush to the defense of their own particular ride and say its the best thing since sliced bread yada yada yada, but all these opinions are just that - opinions, and as such, meaningless to all except the person uttering it. And I include my own in that too.
 
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Hola a todos.
Yo tengo una lc de principios del 2014.
Desde hace bastante tiempo que notaba que las marchas iban bastante duras, y al reducir de 4ª a 3ª esta me rascaba si no daba un poco de gas, es decir el doble embrague.
En verano comenté com mi concesionario el tema y me dijeron en principio que no tenia constància de que esto pasara a nadie mas. Que el cambio iba un poco mas duro que en mi anterior moto que era un r1200r, al ser la arquitectura del cambio distinta, mejor en la anterior, habia diferencias de tacto.
De todos modos me habrieron una incidencia para que BMW Madrid se pronunciara. Quedamos en que ya me dirian algo sobre la respuesta de Madrid.

Pasaron 4 meses y llegó la hora de hacer la revisión de los 10000kms, al llevar la moto al concesionario para la revisión volví a preguntar como estaba el tema y el responsable de la sección de motos, me comentó que no tenia aún respuesta sobre el tema, pero que volveria a insistir en ello.
A principios de Febrero de este eño me llamó, para comentarme que Madrid ya tenia respuesta, parece ser que habian salido mas propietarios a los que les pasaba lo mismo, es decir cambio duro y problemas con la 3ª ,y que se habian puesto a trabajar en el tema,por lo que me solicitaba que trajera la moto al concesionario para poder cambiar un actuador del cambio a peticion de BMW Madrid.

Tras cambiar el actuador del cambio, escalaron el tema a Alemania, y estos autorizaron a sustituir el cambio enterito. Esto fue la semana pasada. Todo y con esto, el tema aún persistia, solicitaron en el concesionario cambiar el embrague enterito. Esta semana han cambiado el embrague completo.
Hoy por fin he recogido la moto.Debo decir que cuando he ido a probarla no me lo podia creer. Ya no rasca en 3ª y todas las marchas entran perfectamente, sin dureza alguna.Es una gozada.
Debo decir en honor a la verdad que el concesionario se ha implicado con migo y con ganas de solucionarme el problema. Incluso hace un par de semanas, les comenté que tenia mono de moto ya que hacia 1 mes que la mia estaba en el concesionario( me habian avisado previamente que podia pasar). Les comenté si podian dejarme algo para salir el fin de semana.
Se ofrecieron a dejarme una K1600GT pero, ese mismo dia algun comercial la vedió a lo que reaccionarion rápidamente y me ofrecieron a modo de cortesia una rt nuevecita vamos con 3 meses y 3000kms para el fin de semana. Para este pasado fin de semana me la volvieron a ofrecer. Les agradezco el detalle.
En fin, lo que quiero decir es que no hay que conformarse pues, es un fallo de fabricacion y BMW debe hacerse cargo y resolverlo. No lo dejeis pasar.
Os aseguro que no hay color, hay un antes y un después en el cambio. Mi cambio va ahora igual de fino que el de la nueva RT que me dejaron.
Espero que a alguien le sirva mi experiencia.
Un abrazo a todos.
 


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