Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

zoltan said:
Can somebody verify if this technic works on your bike . Works on mine ( just like on my old R100RT:blast ) and I managed to get some smooth gear changes.

Change from 1st into second at exactly 2000 revs , just before changing apply a bit of (up) pressure on the gear lever. Do the same from 2nd to 3rd.

Is still a hit and miss, to low revs and is dragging, to high and it clanks . It is not ideal and you have to be super smooth, if this is the mod than is back to the drawing board:rolleyes:
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Preloading will just screw the selector forks in the end.

There's no way on earth that anyone should have to have to do something like this (or indeed, pray, mutter strange incantations, sell your soul to the devil etc, etc) on BMW's brand new flagship model.
 
Hamslay said:
Yep, my 2014 does. I think they always will. As a "clunker" for over 3 years I really don't see it as a big deal though.
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Good to hear that the new bikes are the same - it will just be one of those characteristics we have to live with then.

I guess your other gear changes are Ok?
 
MattW said:
Preloading will just screw the selector forks in the end.

There's no way on earth that anyone should have to have to do something like this (or indeed, pray, mutter strange incantations, sell your soul to the devil etc, etc) on BMW's brand new flagship model.
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wot he says.
 
MattW said:
Preloading will just screw the selector forks in the end.

There's no way on earth that anyone should have to have to do something like this (or indeed, pray, mutter strange incantations, sell your soul to the devil etc, etc) on BMW's brand new flagship model.
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Fuck:(
 
Engineer said:
Good to hear that the new bikes are the same - it will just be one of those characteristics we have to live with then.

I guess your other gear changes are Ok?
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I do find that changing down from 2nd to 1st if the bike is going at more than walking place can cause a clank and almost jump out of gear, but otherwise it's fine. Thinking back, my K1300 might have done that too to a certain extent.

I also had trouble finding neutral from 1st for the first 100 miles or so and tended to have to drop in from 2nd, but at 600 miles now I haven't noticed it recently.

In general, it behaves just like my previous BMW 'box, and if weren't for the comments on here I wouldn't have given it a second thought. It's not great, but it's not a problem either.

I've got my 1st service next week, so I hope I'll be as content afterwards! :eek:
 
Dropped my bike off tonight at Vines for the clutch rod and new switches. Asked them to look at the rear pads as well although I think they are ok so I won't get new ones although I can't see them lasting 6k miles?

See what happens after although if weather is changing it won't get much more use this year, although to be fair I have managed over 400 miles over the last 2 weekends!
 
I had issues with getting into Neutral pretty much all the time in the early days.

Either I've become better at snicking it from 1st - Neutral or the box has changed over the last 4000 miles. I hardly ever have any issues getting into Neutral now.
 
dave hendy said:
Dropped my bike off tonight at Vines for the clutch rod and new switches. Asked them to look at the rear pads as well although I think they are ok so I won't get new ones although I can't see them lasting 6k miles?

See what happens after although if weather is changing it won't get much more use this year, although to be fair I have managed over 400 miles over the last 2 weekends!
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Got the bike back last night with only the left hand switch gear changed as they don't have stock for the right:blast

Only did about 25 miles home so can't say if the gear changes are any better, at least they don't seem any worse! Doesn't look like it will be used over the weekend due to the weather:eek

They said my pads are about 50% worn at 2800 miles so no new pads for me, I will have to keep an eye on them though:nenau
 
Apart from a very few genuine cases of things that were actually broken with the gearbox, I suspect that this whole thread is more to do with peoples' psychology and the fact that this gearbox feels different to the previous dry clutch and agricultural gearbox of the previous boxers.

One other observation I think might be relevant is that because this new engine has more torque and spins up and down the revs so more freely (lighter flywheel?) than the old bike I find it more difficult to precisely match the revs when changing down, but with practice one gets used to it.

Perhaps this might be a reason why the new Adventure version has a heavier crank, maybe it will require less skill when changing gear - it will be interesting to hear what it is like when they start to deliver it.
 
What Bollox from the OP, Engineers says I imagined it all!

Engineer said:
Apart from a very few genuine cases of things that were actually broken with the gearbox, I suspect that this whole thread is more to do with peoples' psychology and the fact that this gearbox feels different to the previous dry clutch and agricultural gearbox of the previous boxers..
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So I guess I imagined the last seven months and 8 thousand miles...............

Oh and the seven trips to the dealer, Oh and the 1000 miles on the RT while it was off the road...

Thank Goodness I thought for a second it was BMW that was at fault!

And the FACT yes FACT I'm now riding around on another brand new GS? This time a MY14.

Trouble is half of you don't know how to bloody ride a bike if you did it would be clacking n crunching away like a goodern LOL..... see how it feels to be told you cant ride LOL

PS 1000 miles on the REPLACEMENT bike (for they bike that had nothing wrong with it), and Yes Herman the German has remembered to put Neutral in this one and up until now the gear box has been agriculturally perfect except for one of two crunches that I put down to it being slightly cooler weather yesterday LOL
 
Engineer said:
Apart from a very few genuine cases of things that were actually broken with the gearbox, I suspect that this whole thread is more to do with peoples' psychology and the fact that this gearbox feels different to the previous dry clutch and agricultural gearbox of the previous boxers.
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Bloody hell - are BMW paying you? :rolleyes:

Surely so many people can't be the crap riders that you suggest they are?

Sure it'll feel different - it's a wet clutch and has significantly less rotational inertia than the old dry clutch, crank speed gearbox but this should make it feel less agricultural and prone to crunching not more!
 
MattW said:
Bloody hell - are BMW paying you? :rolleyes:

Surely so many people can't be the crap riders that you suggest they are?

Sure it'll feel different - it's a wet clutch and has significantly less rotational inertia than the old dry clutch, crank speed gearbox but this should make it feel less agricultural and prone to crunching not more!
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indeed, and the clutch runs at half crank speed now too, which should make a big difference.
 
I have no experience of the WC clutch or gearbox, but clunking into first gear is not just a BMW thing. Just have a listen to Jap, Italian, Brit and Yank bikes as traffic lights change. Some of the clunking is horrendous .
 
Engineer said:
Apart from a very few genuine cases of things that were actually broken with the gearbox, I suspect that this whole thread is more to do with peoples' psychology and the fact that this gearbox feels different to the previous dry clutch and agricultural gearbox of the previous boxers.

One other observation I think might be relevant is that because this new engine has more torque and spins up and down the revs so more freely (lighter flywheel?) than the old bike I find it more difficult to precisely match the revs when changing down, but with practice one gets used to it.

Perhaps this might be a reason why the new Adventure version has a heavier crank, maybe it will require less skill when changing gear - it will be interesting to hear what it is like when they start to deliver it.
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I think most of us know if we have a problem with our bikes THANK YOU very much!
 
If you have a problem with one bike and not another, are you a crap rider on the one you is having trouble with?
 
needlongerlegs said:
So I guess I imagined the last seven months and 8 thousand miles...............

Oh and the seven trips to the dealer, Oh and the 1000 miles on the RT while it was off the road...

Thank Goodness I thought for a second it was BMW that was at fault!

And the FACT yes FACT I'm now riding around on another brand new GS? This time a MY14.

Trouble is half of you don't know how to bloody ride a bike if you did it would be clacking n crunching away like a goodern LOL..... see how it feels to be told you cant ride LOL

PS 1000 miles on the REPLACEMENT bike (for they bike that had nothing wrong with it), and Yes Herman the German has remembered to put Neutral in this one and up until now the gear box has been agriculturally perfect except for one of two crunches that I put down to it being slightly cooler weather yesterday LOL
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Well said.

Try asking a BMW car driver or a suzuki rider or even an F800 rider what gear change technique they use and note the puzzled look you get. Any technique used is to mask a fault and is a work round of a fault.
 
Keith Chapman said:
I have no experience of the WC clutch or gearbox, but clunking into first gear is not just a BMW thing. Just have a listen to Jap, Italian, Brit and Yank bikes as traffic lights change. Some of the clunking is horrendous .
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BMW's have been clunking into first for as long as I can remember. It's what they do, there's no fixing it.
 
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round and round this thread goes where it will stop nobody knows :D:D:D:D


any of you contacted that bod on MCN who has one as a longtermer , up to 12 k now i think and i dont think he has mentioned this issue once :eek::eek:
 
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