Clever move on Bmw’s part

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As there’s so much ‘don’t buy a new model’ or let the fools suffer the testing phase & see how the f*** up’s get sorted..
They introduced the 3 year warranty, certainly took the pressure off the buyers.. although I still remember the heated grips saga on the early Gs Wc that they stubbornly refused to acknowledge
 
As there’s so much ‘don’t buy a new model’ or let the fools suffer the testing phase & see how the f*** up’s get sorted..
They introduced the 3 year warranty, certainly took the pressure off the buyers.. although I still remember the heated grips saga on the early Gs Wc that they stubbornly refused to acknowledge
Could it be that 3 year warranty is to match the Pcp so they're covered when they go bang ?

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And how is a 3 year warranty going to help the guy that was downed and injured in a remote location when his forks failed, or the guy that was downed and injured in the outside lane of the motorway when his rear wheel spokes collapsed, or the guy that's rear drive failed in a remote location destroying his adventure holiday? And all the other stories like that where people have actually been injured or killed?

I once rejected a brand new bike delivered to me which was faulty and had NOT gone through PDI.

The sales guy said "Don't wooorrrrrrryyyy, that's what your warranty is for"..... Boy, did he regret that comment.

As they were now in breach of contract for Sales of Goods, Sales of Goods and Services, I don't expect a faulty bike being delivered with 0 miles having just paid £15,000 and neither should you.

Warranty shouldn't be a smoke screen for dangerous or faulty goods.

UK Law is very powerful for consumers, use it.
 
maybe simply the 3 years was done to be on a level standing with the USA, as they have had 3 year warranty for a while now.
 
And how is a 3 year warranty going to help the guy that was downed and injured in a remote location when his forks failed, or the guy that was downed and injured in the outside lane of the motorway when his rear wheel spokes collapsed, or the guy that's rear drive failed in a remote location destroying his adventure holiday? And all the other stories like that where people have actually been injured or killed?

I once rejected a brand new bike delivered to me which was faulty and had NOT gone through PDI.

The sales guy said "Don't wooorrrrrrryyyy, that's what your warranty is for"..... Boy, did he regret that comment.

As they were now in breach of contract for Sales of Goods, Sales of Goods and Services, I don't expect a faulty bike being delivered with 0 miles having just paid £15,000 and neither should you.

Warranty shouldn't be a smoke screen for dangerous or faulty goods.

UK Law is very powerful for consumers, use it.
+1 totally agree with you
 
And how is a 3 year warranty going to help the guy that was downed and injured in a remote location when his forks failed, or the guy that was downed and injured in the outside lane of the motorway when his rear wheel spokes collapsed, or the guy that's rear drive failed in a remote location destroying his adventure holiday? And all the other stories like that where people have actually been injured or killed?

I once rejected a brand new bike delivered to me which was faulty and had NOT gone through PDI.

The sales guy said "Don't wooorrrrrrryyyy, that's what your warranty is for"..... Boy, did he regret that comment.

As they were now in breach of contract for Sales of Goods, Sales of Goods and Services, I don't expect a faulty bike being delivered with 0 miles having just paid £15,000 and neither should you.

Warranty shouldn't be a smoke screen for dangerous or faulty goods.

UK Law is very powerful for consumers, use it.

Interesting you bring this up. A business colleague tried to reject a brand new £95K car within two weeks owning it. The dealer wasn’t having any of it. The chap then tried to get a solicitor to take the job on. None of the five he tried would take it on and he got bored after that and put up. In the end things worked out fine but it’s curious that these solicitors wouldn’t take the job.
 
Interesting you bring this up. A business colleague tried to reject a brand new £95K car within two weeks owning it. The dealer wasn’t having any of it. The chap then tried to get a solicitor to take the job on. None of the five he tried would take it on and he got bored after that and put up. In the end things worked out fine but it’s curious that these solicitors wouldn’t take the job.

Yeah, probably because his claim wasn't based on a solid reason.

If a solicitor hears his story, and it's unreasonable... then they won't take it on, because they won't necessarily get paid.

There is a Case in UK Law (Egan vs. Motor Services) where a Judge was not happy with the madness.... It involved a dispute over an Audi TT which cost £33,000. Both the dealers solicitors, and the customers solicitors had racked up £100,000 on fee's arguing over it.

So unless he had a very good reason to reject the car, then nobody will touch it.

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Darren Egan vs. Motor Services (Bath) Ltd (18 October 2007) is a Court of Appeal case which saw the consumer who attempted to reject his vehicle lose out dramatically.

The consumer complained that his car, a new Audi TT 3.2 litre V6, veered to the left and as such wanted to return the car to the dealer and be refunded.

Whilst an expert witness gave evidence supporting the consumers claim, the Court ruled that the vehicle was "of satisfactory quality" because the sensitivity of the car to camber was in fact normal for that type of car - the reasonable person would not consider that this would make the vehicle unsatisfactory.

This provided a useful case precedent for motor dealers as it makes clear that vehicles may have "characteristics" such as sensitivity to the camber of the road without being "of unsatisfactory quality". It may also prove to be useful case law for retailers of other consumer products.

The legal expenditure of both parties was around £100,000 and the car cost £32,300 in July 2003. This led Lord Justice Ward to exclaim: "...one or other parties to the action, if not both of them..." were "...completely cuckoo..." to have pursued the litigation when little was at stake and that the lawyers should have taken "...the firmest grip..." from the outset.

This case shows the fundamental importance of getting expert guidance on the legal issues raised in a dispute and how to resolve it at the earliest opportunity.
 
Yeah, probably because his claim wasn't based on a solid reason.

Apparently he didn’t get to talk about the detail to any of them. The solicitors just didn’t want to get involved with rejecting full stop. So although the law exists and applies to motor vehicles, there could be difficulties for a customer if the dealership just ignores them.
 
Apparently he didn’t get to talk about the detail to any of them. The solicitors just didn’t want to get involved with rejecting full stop. So although the law exists and applies to motor vehicles, there could be difficulties for a customer if the dealership just ignores them.

I know its resolved now, but if he paid £100 or more on credit card, at any time during the car purchase, he could contact Section 75 on his card to fight his case.
 
What's wrong with a good 3 year warranty ?
I'd say BMW must be confident in their build quality that there won't be too many warranty claims because they are in the business to make money.It's a win/win because quality goes up to keep warranty costs down...
Or you could buy a Honda Afreeka Tween...please don't tell Arsey that Honda has a huge recall on the 2016-18 Tweens because the bike could fall over when the center stand breaks or you could crash when the center-stand falls off.B.t.w. I did not make this sh^t up...;)
Good Honda-quality you know on top of their superior tubed wheels and chaindrive that needs to be lubed,tightened and replaced but no rubber boot to be checked...:D
 
Hey, I've got an africa twin.... not heard about this centre stand debacle... I don't even have a centre stand
 
If you think that BMW are the only ones which have recalls for dangerous issues you are kidding yourself. Everything from spokes (MV Augusta) through fuel leaks, dodgy brake lines to brakes (Ducati, Aprilia, KTM). Yamaha even had a recall because the handlebars could come off in your hands!:eek:
 
Incorrect info - BMW 3 year warranty or that Honda recalled 31 000 Afreeka-Twins build between 2016-2018 equipped with the optional center-stand that can break or fall off while riding ?
 
Ignore. Incorrect info.

THE RECALL: Yamaha Motor Corporation, USA (Yamaha) is recalling certain 2015-2017 FJ-09, FZ-09, and XSR900 motorcycles. The lower handlebar holder may loosen due to a painting issue and the inadequate application of the thread-locking agent.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN: If the handlebars are not properly secured to the motorcycle, a loss of vehicle control may result, increasing the risk of a crash.

THE FIX: Yamaha will notify owners, and dealers will replace the lower handlebar holder, free of charge. The recall is expected to begin in April 2017. Owners may contact Yamaha customer service at 1-800-962-7926. Yamaha's number for this recall is 990114.

THE RECALL: MV Agusta USA, LLC (MV Agusta) is recalling certain 2017 Brutale 800 Dragster RR motorcycles. The spokes on the rear wheel may loosen, potentially affecting the motorcycle's handling.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN: If the handling is compromised from the loose spokes on the rear wheel, there would be an increased risk of a crash.

THE FIX: MV Agusta will notify owners, and dealers will replace the rear wheels, free of charge. The recall is expected to begin December 13, 2017. Owners may contact MV Agusta customer service at 1-215-781-1770. MV Agusta's number for this recall is 2813.

MORE RECALL INFORMATION: Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to safercar.gov.
 


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