Edmund Kean
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Nicely done U turn at the end especially with all that adrenaline flowing - easy drop in the circumstances. Well done.
Close call and subsequent damage to bike
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no problem,in the cold light of day the op is alive which is good,a week down the line when he feels a bit more normal i still feel that he and actually every one riding should ask themselves what could I have done to improve my chances of getting home alive.dont want to chastise the op at all but its dangerous out there we all need to do all we can to look after ourselves
Glad that the OP is ok but I totally agree with autogs above!
sk8mutie
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For info, I fully agree with autogs too.... There's no doubting a lot could have been different on the night, and my riding was never without fault, that's for sure!!!
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Myke Rocks
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A comment with no criticism whatsoever.
A few months ago, I posted a video of a German trying to kill me in Italy.
You were riding in the correct position on the road.
I tend to ride close to the centre of the road if there are no other vehicles about, or in the centre of there are no road markings (and no other vehicles).
I was criticised for such positioning in comments on this site.
I am not suggesting for a moment that my positioning is superior, it is just the way I tend to ride. By pure fluke, if you had been on the road where I normally position myself you would have escaped with just a change of underwear.
I only raise the comment because of the criticism made of me for riding where I do on the road, not because I believe it is better to do so.
Myke
A few months ago, I posted a video of a German trying to kill me in Italy.
You were riding in the correct position on the road.
I tend to ride close to the centre of the road if there are no other vehicles about, or in the centre of there are no road markings (and no other vehicles).
I was criticised for such positioning in comments on this site.
I am not suggesting for a moment that my positioning is superior, it is just the way I tend to ride. By pure fluke, if you had been on the road where I normally position myself you would have escaped with just a change of underwear.
I only raise the comment because of the criticism made of me for riding where I do on the road, not because I believe it is better to do so.
Myke
I'm still at a loss to see how the car driver failed to see the junction.
It's big enough, wide enough and with direction signs.
- and I'd have ridden towards the middle of the road too...
It's big enough, wide enough and with direction signs.
- and I'd have ridden towards the middle of the road too...
sk8mutie
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Guys, I knew there would be some comments with regards to my speed, riding position etc etc when I put this up, and constructive criticism is always welcome btw.
Autogs has some very valid points and I have pm'd him to say the same. If I had been going a little slower, I wouldn't have been on the same stretch of road and would not have seen the car. As to position....I too ride in a similar position to Myke Rocks as the roads in Northern Ireland require it most of the time for seeing over hedges and looking out for tractors...or more commonly, avoiding manure and muck the tractors leave behind!!
On a left hander, I'll cross the white line to the ride and side of the road to see further round the bend and on a left hander, move to the left hand side of my own lane. On this occasion, i saw the two cars approaching at speed, one of which subsequently overtook the first car after they passed me (on video), and I decided to move away from the white line as I reckon they were doing the same speed as me and wanted to avoid ANY potential contact.
That road is the fast, back road to Coleraine with some nice bends but some long, clear straight sections, so on the straights, I sit between the centre of my lane, and the white line in the middle of the road....keeps clear of any oil droplets and detritus that cars and lorries leave behind in the middle of the lane....so not sure what else I could've done at that precise moment....
Anyway, alive and well and trying to forget the idiocy of 4 people in a car and not one of them noticed that junction!!!!
Autogs has some very valid points and I have pm'd him to say the same. If I had been going a little slower, I wouldn't have been on the same stretch of road and would not have seen the car. As to position....I too ride in a similar position to Myke Rocks as the roads in Northern Ireland require it most of the time for seeing over hedges and looking out for tractors...or more commonly, avoiding manure and muck the tractors leave behind!!
On a left hander, I'll cross the white line to the ride and side of the road to see further round the bend and on a left hander, move to the left hand side of my own lane. On this occasion, i saw the two cars approaching at speed, one of which subsequently overtook the first car after they passed me (on video), and I decided to move away from the white line as I reckon they were doing the same speed as me and wanted to avoid ANY potential contact.
That road is the fast, back road to Coleraine with some nice bends but some long, clear straight sections, so on the straights, I sit between the centre of my lane, and the white line in the middle of the road....keeps clear of any oil droplets and detritus that cars and lorries leave behind in the middle of the lane....so not sure what else I could've done at that precise moment....
Anyway, alive and well and trying to forget the idiocy of 4 people in a car and not one of them noticed that junction!!!!
sk8mutie
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Guys, I knew there would be some comments with regards to my speed, riding position etc etc when I put this up, and constructive criticism is always welcome btw.
Autogs has some very valid points and I have pm'd him to say the same. If I had been going a little slower, I wouldn't have been on the same stretch of road and would not have seen the car. As to position....I too ride in a similar position to Myke Rocks as the roads in Northern Ireland require it most of the time for seeing over hedges and looking out for tractors...or more commonly, avoiding manure and muck the tractors leave behind!!
On a left hander, I'll cross the white line to the ride and side of the road to see further round the bend and on a right hander, move to the left hand side of my own lane. On this occasion, i saw the two cars approaching at speed, one of which subsequently overtook the first car after they passed me (on video), and I decided to move away from the white line as I reckon they were doing the same speed as me and wanted to avoid ANY potential contact.
That road is the fast, back road to Coleraine with some nice bends but some long, clear straight sections, so on the straights, I sit between the centre of my lane, and the white line in the middle of the road....keeps clear of any oil droplets and detritus that cars and lorries leave behind in the middle of the lane....so not sure what else I could've done at that precise moment....
Anyway, alive and well and trying to forget the idiocy of 4 people in a car and not one of them noticed that junction!!!!
Autogs has some very valid points and I have pm'd him to say the same. If I had been going a little slower, I wouldn't have been on the same stretch of road and would not have seen the car. As to position....I too ride in a similar position to Myke Rocks as the roads in Northern Ireland require it most of the time for seeing over hedges and looking out for tractors...or more commonly, avoiding manure and muck the tractors leave behind!!
On a left hander, I'll cross the white line to the ride and side of the road to see further round the bend and on a right hander, move to the left hand side of my own lane. On this occasion, i saw the two cars approaching at speed, one of which subsequently overtook the first car after they passed me (on video), and I decided to move away from the white line as I reckon they were doing the same speed as me and wanted to avoid ANY potential contact.
That road is the fast, back road to Coleraine with some nice bends but some long, clear straight sections, so on the straights, I sit between the centre of my lane, and the white line in the middle of the road....keeps clear of any oil droplets and detritus that cars and lorries leave behind in the middle of the lane....so not sure what else I could've done at that precise moment....
Anyway, alive and well and trying to forget the idiocy of 4 people in a car and not one of them noticed that junction!!!!
Bendy toy
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I see this as an observation but far from any criticism of @sk8mutie. He did nothing wrong but nearly got plastered for his efforts. I also ride close to the white lone or down the middle of the road when its unmarked. But on many roads that's where the gravel lies so riders often have to be well to the left or on the "wrong" side to avoid the gravel.
This road looked clean and maybe if the rider had been a foot or two to his right there might have been no crash. But with cars coming the other way was there space to ride further out? Not to mention had the BMW car arrived a millisecond sooner it would have made no difference. Conditions were clear and the dangerous nut holding the steering wheel was clearly not looking at what he was doing.
Looking at the still picture, you were in the middle of the lane. There doesn't look to be much more room to your right.
Your speed saved your life. Fact. If you were going a bit slower, you'd have hit the car. Some could argue that if you were going a bit faster you'd have avoided the accident all together.
As someone else said, buy a lottery ticket, as you're on a winning streak.
Oh believe me the car driver would have seen the junction if there was an HGV in the place of the bike...
But being in the right doesn't save your life.......... Junction ahead, slow down . Always assume the other vehicle hasn't seen you.
Looking at the still picture, you were in the middle of the lane. There doesn't look to be much more room to your right.
Your speed saved your life. Fact. If you were going a bit slower, you'd have hit the car. Some could argue that if you were going a bit faster you'd have avoided the accident all together.
No, not fact......... bollocks
At the junction - you have to ignore the speeds which both are doing to create the confluence. It's as lacking in validity to say - that if he had taken the time to clean his visor, or squeeze the last drop of petrol into the tank, at the last stop - then the confluence would not have occurred.
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Just to backup steppers, while taking my beloved to her school a few years ago I took note of this junction on her school route which had stop lines. Over a period of time I checked which vehicles stopped at the stop lines I was shocked that at least 80% of drivers didn't stop but either crawled or drove straight out. The reason I did this was as a biker I knew this junction was a black spot from past experience of near misses.
No, not fact......... bollocks
At the junction - you have to ignore the speeds which both are doing to create the confluence. It's as lacking in validity to say - that if he had taken the time to clean his visor, or squeeze the last drop of petrol into the tank, at the last stop - then the confluence would not have occurred.
Al
You, of course, are right. If the OP was doing 10mph the car would have been long gone.
99% of the time Neil, but I saw an old duffer drive beneath an articulated lorry driving alongside him once near Milton Keynes, the trailer opened up his car like a tin can. It never ceases to amaze me how shit some motorists are. Totally agree with the rest of your statement, no point having an epitaph on your tombstone saying you were right.
If your bike had ESA, the rear shock is most definitely not cheap!
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Bendy toy
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I was very nearly taken out by a taxi driver on a four-way traffic island. The roads were large and quite new so visibility and lane markings were as good as they could be. There was no other traffic. I joined the island, intending to take the 2nd exit, then noticed the car from my left was probably not going to stop. I eased off then hit the anchors when he indeed kept going. Then the W***ker actually saw me and hit his brakes to stop exactly across my line. I stopped about 6" from hi rear wheel. Thank goodness for Yamaha blue spot brakes though Beemer ABS might have been better.
I was saved by experience but my LED marker spots and dipped headlight were completely useless. The car driver like most these days had one response to every road hazard - brakes. Had he kept moving or even accelerated it would have been annoying but no harm done.
I was saved by experience but my LED marker spots and dipped headlight were completely useless. The car driver like most these days had one response to every road hazard - brakes. Had he kept moving or even accelerated it would have been annoying but no harm done.
Funny how that seems to be the default action for a lot of drivers. As you say, makes a bad situation much worse!
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