Clour changing the bike, which paint?

Gents if your after having the bike sprayed i would advise that you contact Sir Les Wassall of HID fame and fortune

I had my 1150 done it included the beak, rear mudguard, rear hugger, GSA side panel thingys, GSA tank and that silver part over the headlight. All done in a lurvly Ford Focus ST blue for less than £300.......Whats more it was done in less than a week!!!

Its a top job:thumb:thumb the hardest bit is the reassembly without scratchin it.

Your gonna ask for pictures and i dont have any just yet.......sorry

Show us a pic:D
 
I want to colour change my GSA from silver to white. I've contacted a couple of different companies who both come recomended. One however uses 2 pack, the other waterbased paints. Which is best and why? All info appreciated:thumb2

Hi Pigglet. There are many urban myths about paint finishes and why people prefer some over others. As an experienced paint sprayer who has used literally dozens of paint types on all applications - including classic cars, racing cars, motorbikes of all ages & even powerboats, I'll do my best to give you a simple explanation.....

99% of all modern vehicles vehicles are given what is referred to as a 'clear over base' finish. This quite simply means that there is a clear coat of lacquer applied to a base coat of the chosen colour. This applies to both solid & metallic colours.

The clear coat used by all manufacturers at present is what is referred to as '2-Pack' this is because there are two components i.e. lacquer & hardener. Thinners is then added to get the right consistency for spraying.

Traditionally, the base coat was a solvent-based paint which used a very strong solvent in it's application. In more recent years, water-based basecoats have been introduced to meet more stringent emission laws & to help reduce the amount of VOC's being produced (Volatile Organic Compounds)

Hope you're still with me here!! :) Bearing in mind the above, it doesn't matter whether you chose solvent based, or water based paint because the top-coat will remain a 2-pack finish, as there are no water based lacquers in use at present. If you think about it, why would there be? if you rode your bike in the rain, or was washing it one Sunday afternoon - then you'd be looking at bare metal/plastic pretty soon wouldn't you?? :eek

So, in short, if the sprayer you choose knows his stuff, then you should get exactly the same durable finish regardless of what basecoat he's using.

Another point worth noting is that some paintshops (although very few) still use cellulose paints. You'd be wise to avoid this paint, as it is much softer & prone to scratching very easily. The only advantage of it's use is that it's much cheaper than the above finishes.

When people tell you that their car/bike has become scratched because of water-based paints, you now know that this is not the case. Some colours however show scratches much more easily than others (blacks, dark blues & reds are the worst among them).

I hope the above is of some help. If you need more info, then let me know.

Good luck, :thumb

Stu.
 
Excellent explanation, ta Stu:thumb2
Tuned, it's £120 for tank and beak all in. I've supplied the decals (£50 from bm:eek:) which he's going to lacquer in.
Dropped the tank off on Wednesday night and he's supposed to have it finished by tomorrow night. Not going to be able to pick it up till Monday though as I'm at work.
I'll post some pics when I get my paws on it (got a nice new camera today too:)).
 
Excellent explanation, ta Stu:thumb2
Tuned, it's £120 for tank and beak all in. I've supplied the decals (£50 from bm:eek:) which he's going to lacquer in.
Dropped the tank off on Wednesday night and he's supposed to have it finished by tomorrow night. Not going to be able to pick it up till Monday though as I'm at work.
I'll post some pics when I get my paws on it (got a nice new camera today too:)).

A real bargain:thumb2
 
Picked it up

Just picked the tank up. It's not been flatted/buffed yet but still looks good.
Will get it screwed back together tomorrow hopefully and then get it polished up. I like it :)

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Ta Da

There she be
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Not the best picture in the world, it looks much better in the flesh, errr metal.
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Top Job.:thumb2

Just to add my two penneth regarding brush painting - It is possible and perfectly feasable on a motorcycle. My dear old Dad worked as a coach painter/signwriter for years starting off in the 1950's. This was before the advent of the new technology of cellulose and spraying. All things were brush painted, lined/sign written by hand and then the lettering was varnished over.

I had a 350LC some years back when I was a student and I completely stripped it down and it needed new paint - it had an existing Kenny Roberts scheme and the laquer had crazed and yellowed over the years. I didn't have the option of getting it sprayed due to insufficient funds and my dad offered to brush paint it. To be fair I wasn't keen on the idea but had no choice. The bodywork was all rubbed down with wet and dry, given a couple of coats of B&Q's finest undercoat, flatted off yet again and then given a number of coats of B&Q's finest gloss black again being flatted off. The whole lot was then finished by a using a combination of rubbing compound and brasso! to bring the shine up again. Lettering was then applied and varnished over. Really was a quality job and nobody could tell what paint had been used.

However, for £120 and such a quality individual bike that you've now got I don't think you can argue. Did you look into having the decals made by one of the many vinyl sign companies that are around before ordering the ones from bmw or was it a case of ordering and then finding out the price?
 
interesting paint debate,
yes the future is water based............ the eco s .................. make that europe EU bods have seen off all non compliant coatings (VOC limited) from car paint to household gloss and fence treatment.
this is the paints or Products directive. i have seen links here for PG 6/34 (a/b) this is just an applications permit guidance note for those sprayers using more than a tonne of solvent (VOC)
as someone that has to police this it is a nightmare even your local dry cleaners have to comply now !!!!

as for the Merc paint issue yes they had problems but that was probably 10 years ago, so doesn't count now !!!!!

the quaility now days is more down to the applcator, ie the person with the gun and their mix rather that the paint.

all this is governing the commercail coatings applicators at the moment but as the paints/products directive is designd to controlthe general manufator and supply of VOC paints it wil afect all son so start stock pling your favourite paint.

but at the end of the day if you like the finish thats what counts and that Classic white looks a great finish that suites the bike well

H
 
Hope you're still with me here!! :) Bearing in mind the above, it doesn't matter whether you chose solvent based, or water based paint because the top-coat will remain a 2-pack finish, as there are no water based lacquers in use at present. If you think about it, why would there be? if you rode your bike in the rain, or was washing it one Sunday afternoon - then you'd be looking at bare metal/plastic pretty soon wouldn't you?

There have been commercially available water based lacquers on the market for a number of years now. The main difference between water based and solvent based paints and lacquers is the liquid that the solids are suspended in and most of them still use an activator to cure them. As mentioned before the problem is with emmissions as the paint cures. Water based paints and lacquers will take longer to cure at ambient temperatures but by adding heat and introducing dehumidifiers into the drying rooms the curing times can be decreased dramaticaly, but they still release Isocyanates, nasty cancer causing chemicals.

If you've tried to wash vinyl silk emulsion off your hands or clothing after it has cured you will know how impervious to water water based paint can be.
 
Top Job.:thumb2

Did you look into having the decals made by one of the many vinyl sign companies that are around before ordering the ones from bmw or was it a case of ordering and then finding out the price?

Ta:thumb2
I had gone to a dealer to get a lock barrel matched to my key and just ordered them there and then. That did also include the 2 X Paris and Dakar stickers which I didn't end up using so probably wouldn't of been so bad if I'd just ordered the colours.
 
When I was student I used to work in a body shop in my holiday and armed with that knowledge I re-sprayed my MG Midget in my Dads garage, with a hired compressor and gun. That was using cellulose paint, without an fancy clear top coat.
With all this new paint is it still realistic to do ones own re-sprays?
 


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