i am going to view the r 1300rs today ,might be tempted , does anyone have the front and ear collision warning on there bike. if so is it any good i was just curious as to how it actually works if someone pulls in front of you and is in the radar zone i assume it will apply your brakes . with the linked brakes can you go into settings to turn it off? i assume the front brake comes on first does anyone have any views on these extras and how they operate in the real world thanks
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My radar can tell me the ‘signature’ of a deer, a human, or a Boeing 767 if any are crossing ahead of me.
Works very well in my experience.
Google connectivity helps identify what their purpose of crossing ahead of my bike is for, then might apply the brakes if needed, or steer around the object. The bike’s brain uses the IMU to determine the best path of least resistance, tyre patch contact, throttle position setting, gear, speed, degree of brake force to apply to both wheels, and the angle of lean.
It’ll also let you know if anything is creeping up to overtake you.
Yes, it can be switched off.
Works very well in my experience.
Google connectivity helps identify what their purpose of crossing ahead of my bike is for, then might apply the brakes if needed, or steer around the object. The bike’s brain uses the IMU to determine the best path of least resistance, tyre patch contact, throttle position setting, gear, speed, degree of brake force to apply to both wheels, and the angle of lean.
It’ll also let you know if anything is creeping up to overtake you.
Yes, it can be switched off.
EGR
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I actually know nothing of the system. A condition of purchase was to defeat the entire thing. Only about 2500 miles now but zero intervention. I am amused, seldom, the screen throws up image of car ahead... No Sh+t!!!
If you need a collision warning thing on your bike.......(one more thing to go wrong, and personally don't like anything on a bike that can take control away from me, plus I'd argue for not having one and simply riding defensively).
I can absolutely see the point of abs and TC, especially lean sensitive when it's wet for example. At least I have the option of how much is applied or to switch both off on my bike. I just think that riding with focussed concentration, hazard observation (and potential hazard observation) buys you time to react to most potential accident "opportunities"....I wouldn't want a collision control of any sort on my bike. I have that one one of our cars and the bl**dy thing drives me nuts because approaching a line of parked cars on the nearside on a road close to home where people park on the road, even at 20mph, triggers the damn thing every time with "BRAKE or you'll explode and die!!!!" warnings sounding away and lighting the dash up before I even get close to them. Not that I'd trust it to work properly anyway....
EGR
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Thank you, Morety... Ours was defeated before it left dealer. Collision avoidance has not a single intelligent thing to do with ABS, DTC, multi-axis compensation..... NOTHING.
I have witnessed two public road moto fatalities and one severe compound fracture, tourniquet NOW. ( Yes, I know how). Milliseconds. If that. As long as records have existed in US over 60% of moto, pushbike fatalities have been fault of 4 wheel drivers. Under one second. Full stop. So, when you are already all but dead you will find comfort in your dash - which you should never have been looking at...
This is creeping Tesla marketing. I have a very good friend who manages a Porsche race shop part of which is also authorized to rebuild all high end cars, including Lambourghini. His Self driving Tesla stories are, well - Yikes!!!
I have witnessed two public road moto fatalities and one severe compound fracture, tourniquet NOW. ( Yes, I know how). Milliseconds. If that. As long as records have existed in US over 60% of moto, pushbike fatalities have been fault of 4 wheel drivers. Under one second. Full stop. So, when you are already all but dead you will find comfort in your dash - which you should never have been looking at...
This is creeping Tesla marketing. I have a very good friend who manages a Porsche race shop part of which is also authorized to rebuild all high end cars, including Lambourghini. His Self driving Tesla stories are, well - Yikes!!!
Some remarkable misunderstandings here in this thread.
The system functions as a driver aid.
No part of its operation removes control from the rider.
You can set the distance of the gap, before the system alerts you.
The system doesn’t slam dunk the brakes, but instead cuts the throttle until the gap between vehicles widens again.
And, in Merka, Tesla drivers have a habit of falling asleep at the wheel; any system can be defeated by a human dope.
An intelligent, alert, half-decent rider will be aware of the overtaking car which pulls into your gap, well before the aid activates.
The system functions as a driver aid.
No part of its operation removes control from the rider.
You can set the distance of the gap, before the system alerts you.
The system doesn’t slam dunk the brakes, but instead cuts the throttle until the gap between vehicles widens again.
And, in Merka, Tesla drivers have a habit of falling asleep at the wheel; any system can be defeated by a human dope.
An intelligent, alert, half-decent rider will be aware of the overtaking car which pulls into your gap, well before the aid activates.
I drive a new Kia Sportage at work which VIOLENTLY brakes when it thinks you are going to collide. I have fucked around with the settings but can't seem to change the sensitivity or turn it off. It's dangerous. On a couple of occasions I have heard emergency braking behind me and although I know it would be down to them for being too close, I would have some sympathy as it comes on violently. On my Honda Civic it just sounds warning and flashes. I am hoping that the system on the 1300 doesn't actually cause emergency braking but rather noticeable slowing, like when using ACC on the Honda?
I am a fan of the ACC on the Honda.
Annoying as **** on my camper van
The bleeps and red symbol on the dash do more to confuse and distract me than the thing that it's trying to warn me about!
Wish I could turn it off permanently
The bleeps and red symbol on the dash do more to confuse and distract me than the thing that it's trying to warn me about!
Wish I could turn it off permanently
Quite right. We should go back to Avon SM tyres so you’re readily aware of the limits of adhesion.
EGR
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Enlightening. Indeed, Fairly deeply embedded in my notions based on years of bleeding edge military electroics systems I totally missed the "elecctronic rider aid for holding station, line astern, on the motorway". Yep. totally did not see that...
NB the bedrock problem with any vehicle operator in any US state is high probability of total absence of any meaningful substantive training.
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Yes, I don't disagree with any of that but would argue that for a competent rider, such an aid as anti collision is just not required for a rider alert to hazards. I see no problem at all and recognise the benefits of the other rider aids. No lack of logic at all in this. It is a personal perspective and I stand by my reasoning.
Exactly, 100% agree. Rider aids will never be any substitute for decent training and riding standards, but TC and abs are a welcome aid to safety. One of the things I try and do with those on their advanced journey is to check how they are with emergency braking. Not one of them has yet on their first attempts felt what it is like to activate their abs, and for some, it came as an eye opener when after a few runs they managed it. The common feedback was that they benefitted from learning how this felt as they were unprepared for the way these systems acted, a few of them panicking when they first felt abs engaged! All of them improved their stopping distances from 30mph once practiced at emergency stops.
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You are spot on. I did the Honda Adventure off road course in Devon a couple of years ago. On one of the days, we had to aim at a gravel filled plastic barrel from a standing stand on gravel with full throttle. Maybe a 75 metre run up? If you didn't apply your brakes full on when instructed, you were made to do it again until you did. No one hit it. A couple of guys had to come off and steer away but it demonstrated exactly what you opine.
Larry Langford
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Thats me! ... driving around on 2019 r1250gs hp rallye colors ... looking for high grade flint to make stone tool replicas out of .... spot on ... but I do leave the rider aids on most of the time and I'm pretty sure I won't like anything that intervenes in the control of the machine ie radar stuff ... just guessing. paying full attention is the best thing you can do imo .....I don’t think the smart people in Munich have this as their likely demographic when they sit around a design table meeting ….
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