Commercial trip or on my own

When you say on you own due you mean literally solo? Try and persuade a pillion, then you have the advantage of just the one bike, someone to share the good and bad times with and also to share the cost! I am very fortunate my wife loves to travel on the bike. We have done both, organised and solo and we find travelling as a single unit allows us to do so much more. Whichever way you decide to got Europe / North Africa even is not scary, it is a blast and you will have a great time, just be sensible whilst travelling, take the usual precautions you would in any big city, enjoy, take plenty of pics and post when you return so we can also enjoy. :beerjug:
 
My wife used to ride on the back and our ride from Las Vegas to Death Valley, Yosemite and on to San Francisco was good, but in general she finds it pretty boring, uncomfortable on her backside and with too much wind buffeting. I even installed an intercom but as I need earplugs I couldn't hear much. My current build, an R100GS-Paris Dakar, will sadly have a single seat.:(
 
My wife used to ride on the back and our ride from Las Vegas to Death Valley, Yosemite and on to San Francisco was good, but in general she finds it pretty boring, uncomfortable on her backside and with too much wind buffeting. I even installed an intercom but as I need earplugs I couldn't hear much. My current build, an R100GS-Paris Dakar, will sadly have a single seat.:(

The ex was of a similar opinion when riding pillion. The new model loves the bike and is a very enthusiastic pillion (especially through Death Valley and over the Tioga pass to Yosemite via the fantastic Stovepipe Wells - Lone Pine Road :cool: ) - maybe it's time to trade yours in :D
 
"I've been to the Himalaya 's 7 times and it will blow any Europe trip into the weeds"

Yes, it does look stunning but at those prices it should be. I love the Pyrenees, the Alps and the Dolomites, and all are (almost) on our doorstep.

I am currently reading a superb book TOUCHING THE WORLD by Cathy Birchall and Bernard Smith. Bernard rose their R100RT around the World and Cathy was his blind pillion passenger. Whilst they loved the friendliness of the Indian people, they hated the country finding the condition of the 'roads' and the driving behaviour of the people appalling.

Another interesting book I borrowed from our library is GREAT MOTORCYCLE JOURNEYS OF THE WORLD by Colette Coleman. Well illustrated with brief thumbnails of suggested routes in many countries.

So Paul you up for a trip ? :D
 
Robbo

I am daydreaming of two or three trips which I must fit in soon before I slip off this mortal coil.

1. From Nova Scotia across Canada to Alaska and back.

2. Through Norway, Sweden, Finland and around the Baltic.

3. Australia and/or New Zealand.

Alone.:D
 
Robbo

I am daydreaming of two or three trips which I must fit in soon before I slip off this mortal coil.

1. From Nova Scotia across Canada to Alaska and back.

2. Through Norway, Sweden, Finland and around the Baltic.

3. Australia and/or New Zealand.

Alone.:D

That all sounds very Cool:beerjug:
 
Go on your own, much more interesting. As an aside we rode from the Picos to the Pyrenees aiming for the N260 in 2011, we camped at Camping Gavin on the N260 and I couldn't understand what the fuss was about the N260. We had a good night and the next morning left the campsite heading east on the N260 and after the first bend or two I was hooked on the road, and I understood :D Camping Gavin was a perfect place to stop and punctuated the run from the Picos to Pyrenees and the start of the N260 perfectly :thumb

Whether you choose to go it alone or with a planned tour you'll have a good time but you'll have a better time if you cut your own furrow.

Dave
 
best on your own:thumb2 if you want to turn around and ride a stretch of road again then you dont piss anyone else off if you dont want to do the planed route or mileage for that day then no worry
 
When you say on you own due you mean literally solo? Try and persuade a pillion, then you have the advantage of just the one bike, someone to share the good and bad times with and also to share the cost! I am very fortunate my wife loves to travel on the bike. We have done both, organised and solo and we find travelling as a single unit allows us to do so much more. Whichever way you decide to got Europe / North Africa even is not scary, it is a blast and you will have a great time, just be sensible whilst travelling, take the usual precautions you would in any big city, enjoy, take plenty of pics and post when you return so we can also enjoy. :beerjug:

Yes this will be a solo trip.

I've got a plan coming together, but almost certain that I'm not doing the commercial trip.
 
Decision made, seventeen day trip.

Ferry to Santander booked.

Going to stay at Pyrenees Motorcycle Tours for a few days to play myself in then off to Italy / Alps etc I want to do some of the mountain passes used in the Tour de France and go to lake Como.

The rest I'll do a bit of research on but don't want too rigid a plan.

Tunnel back
 
Sounds great :thumb

Pro's and Con's are well covered here, I have done groups of mates, groups of couples and two-up with just me and the Mrs, but never an organised trip.

Even solo I would probably go it alone for several reasons, the first one being cost as a commercial trip adds a lot of extra dosh, would rather have 12 days solo than 7 days being herded, but if money no object.... I would probably still go alone.

I can see three benefits to the commercial tour:

* You have "Buddies" provided (although you may not like them)
* They have done all your route planning and booked hotels
* They will have backup and nanny you around like school kids on a field trip.

Meeting people to chat to is easy if your a fairly outgoing person, I have met some of my best friends touring around.

Route planning and Hotel booking is part of the trip for me, keeps me going through the winter, fiding great routes is easy enough with the wonders of the internet, maybe 20 years ago the organised trip may have had a bigger advantage on route knowledge, but now you can ask here about almost anywhere in the world and get some great recommendations.

Riding abroad is not difficult, the rules are very similar (and easy to find online information - not that I really bother much) your motorcycle controls all work exactly the same when you come out the tunnel / off the ferry.

If your nervous about not having a backup truck / interpretor etc then an organised tour is probably ideal, but I am happy to get along with a few words of French / Italian / German (Hello / Please / Thank You / Beer is all you really need)

Sat Navs have removed all navigation woes, and smartphones can take care of translation in the rare cases you cannot communicate (Although I have never needed more than a phrase book)

I have come across some tours which involve a line of bikes going along at about the pace of a group of riders on a CBT, in fact one group I came across in the Black Forest I originally thought was a German Motorcycle training group, until I got closer and saw the lead / tail riders had the tour company on their jackets.

I know many offer some flexibility, but your still basically told when to wake up, when to brush your teeth, when to set off, when and where to stop, how long to stop for etc.

I think you have made a great decision, although just getting off this rock for the first time is fantastic whichever way you do it, come back when you have abetter idea of the locations your passing through / stopping at / want to see and I am sure you will get some great road and hotel recomendations :thumb2

My first bit of advice would be don't get too hung up on the TDF routes, some are great and others are pants so unless Alp d'Huez is a mecca for you I can recommend some much better passes.

Secondly the Alps is huge (Larger than the entire UK and covered with about 400 passes, of which 350 probably beat any UK stretch of road) I think the Pyrenees is about the size of England and you have other bits in between.

The scope of your trip could take 4-6 months of non stop riding to take in just the "best roads" with minimal sight seeing so you will need to pick carefully and try not to cram too much in.
 
Sounds great :thumb

My first bit of advice would be don't get too hung up on the TDF routes, some are great and others are pants so unless Alp d'Huez is a mecca for you I can recommend some much better passes.

Secondly the Alps is huge (Larger than the entire UK and covered with about 400 passes, of which 350 probably beat any UK stretch of road) I think the Pyrenees is about the size of England and you have other bits in between.

The scope of your trip could take 4-6 months of non stop riding to take in just the "best roads" with minimal sight seeing so you will need to pick carefully and try not to cram too much in.

I understand what you're saying about the TDF passes but I'm not looking for "the best" roads, it's because I've spent so may hours watching on TV I just want to ride a few of them (having said that any suggestions are welcome) - and using a bike with a 1170cc motor has to be easier than a bike with me powering it!! .

I know the Alps are huge and you could spend forever - I've done enough road trips in the USA to know that the best plan is to pick a few places and leave the rest for another trip.
 
+2 on your own.

I just googled N260 and the first vid up was my mates! Not sure if I was there that year, if I was I was at the back :blast

Pamplona N240 then follow N260 from west to east, cross into France at Puigcerda, Ax les Thermes, Quillan, Carcassone. I'd then look at via Millau and Grenoble into Italy.

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I love that road...
 
all very true, and i love riding on my own.

unfortunately i hate eating alone and miss having a few people to get pissed with and share the days experiences.

so i go with a group but generally ride on my own :thumb2

That's more a case of riding in a group but pissing off so fast that no one can keep with you - you want to try the hanging back, non-committal, not sure what I'm doing today, might just sit this one out routine - it works equally well apparently - maybe someone knows I've never tried it - somebody pour me a shandy :beerjug:
 
That's more a case of riding in a group but pissing off so fast that no one can keep with you - you want to try the hanging back, non-committal, not sure what I'm doing today, might just sit this one out routine - it works equally well apparently - maybe someone knows I've never tried it - somebody pour me a shandy :beerjug:


i like to start from the back of the grid these days. get an extra half hour in bed :aidan
 
On my trips, I notice people sometimes wanting to ride in a group and sometimes on their own. I ride the set route and people are free to do what they want as they know where we are going. Out of a group of 10, there will be around 5 behind me in the group and the rest just running along in their own time which is something I want everyone to do as the experience is so much different. The little group behind me changes daily and I think sometimes people don't want to think too much and just enjoy the ride.

the great thing is, is when we get to a motel at night, people have completely different experiences depending on where they were riding which generally makes great listening over a beer:beer:
 


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