Concrete barriers

[(RIP) Kaister]

My email reply from the equivalent of the AA reads the swedish report as a good thing for motorcyclists


Dear Mr 'Kaister'

Thank you for your email in regard to wire rope barriers and motorcycle impacts. I attach a conference paper that was presented late last year on this issue. The paper notes that steel W-beam barriers are more aggressive to motorcyclists than wire rope barriers and that the installation of wire rope barriers in Sweden has shown a reductions in motorcycle fatalities. The paper also notes that more research is needed in Australia to evaluate the interaction of wire rope barriers and motorcycles due to the very low number of relevant crashes.

NRMA is awaiting further research. However, it is already clear from crash investigation data that wire rope is less aggressive to motorcyclists than W-beam barriers.

Yours sincerely


J*** H****
Senior Policy Adviser Vehicles and Environment
Government Relations and Public Policy
NRMA Motoring & Services

 

[Uncle T]

Wire rope is less agressive than W-Beam barriers - b*ll*cks!!

Got time, look at the reports on our virtual library http://www.writetoride.co.uk/virtual_library_-_crash_barrie.html

One of the issues has been calling wirerope barriers cheese cutters when its not the wirerope that is the issue it is the exposed posts.

Kaister - Do you know what is the Swedish report that is refered to?

Can you post me the conference paper that is refered to?

[email protected]

In the meantime here's a video from Spain showing what an upright post can do to a leg of pork (I think) and a coconut.

http://www.writetoride.co.uk/barrier_video_spain.html

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

email sent

 

[GerryC]

.............In the meantime here's a video from Spain showing what an upright post can do to a leg of pork ............http://www.writetoride.co.uk/barrier_video_spain.html

I hope no motorcycle patrol law persons clout that barrier - they be legless

 

[john_aero]

sadly though with the concrete ones i find i drift over to them, i seem to be attracted to soild walls

 

[chad]

sadly though with the concrete ones i find i drift over to them, i seem to be attracted to soild walls

 

[Dickieboy]

Thanks Jockster

I've been involved with this issue for sometime both here and in Brussels.

Counter intuitive as it may sound tests have been proved that concrete barriers are far safer for motorcyclists than any other form of barrier. This is partially due to the fact that there is no gaps in the concrete so you can't slide under and into oncoming traffic. No posts to slice into you and injuries sustained on concrete are crush rather than slice and as the chances of hitting a barrier head on are slight you are more likely to survive a side impact crush. I'm not by any means saying you'll walk away but you are far more likely to survive.

Wire rope barriers are tools of the devil in Sweden there has been 7 fatalities attributed to them. I know of one case in Ireland where the insurance investigator felt that it was the barrier but as the biker concerned was perceived to be under the influence this was put down has the cause rather than an interface with the barrier.

Mrs Og you sound too sensible for someone working in Brussels

My email reply from the equivalent of the AA reads the swedish report as a good thing for motorcyclists


Dear Mr 'Kaister'

The paper also notes that more research is needed in Australia to evaluate the interaction of wire rope barriers and motorcycles due to the very low number of relevant crashes.



J*** H****
Senior Policy Adviser Vehicles and Environment
Government Relations and Public Policy
NRMA Motoring & Services

Obviously you need a few more people maimed and killed before they can make their minds up.