dainese airstream bluetooth & Nav 111

[leman]

Hi all

Attempted to connect the above to my nav 111. the nav 111 finds it & automatically puts in the code then connects, but then disconnects straight away, has any one had any luck connecting a non BMW blutooth helmet to the nav 111 or am i fighting a losing battle ?

Any help appreciated

Leman

 

[leman]

dainese airstream bluetooth & Nav 111

Ok so no one has tried to connect this helmet, does anyone know if the Nav 111 can work with other helmets, is there a compatability list anywhere or do i have to pay top whack for the BMW helmet ?

Leman

 

[lesliek]

Hmm, sounds very much like the problem I had trying to pair up my SE K750i phone with the SP2820. Someone mentioned that a firmware (bluetooth) update for the phone would fix this but I never followed up on it and used a different phone instead - Motorola Razor V3, no problems. It would appear that the BT platform isn't quite as 'standard' as it's made out to be.

 

[oddball]

I have been having exactly the same problem trying to pair the Dainese lid. I am due to go to the proshop this weekend to try again as they have a new lid there with updated software in it.

I would have gone system 5 but the lid puts pressure on my forehead, I find it a pain to put on and take off and frankly the bluetooth version is overpriced at £525. In my opinion its rather dullsville as well.

Dainese Airstream Course Bluetooth seems to tick all the boxes until it came to pairing up when it failed as the Nav 3 wants its code entered into the device.

I think there will be a similar problem with the Vemar and Nolan Bluetooth lids as they all apear to use the same hardware and software from Stilo an italian company. Of course, you do not get this problem if you buy the system 5 with bluetooth!

If you look further in this area there is a posting from a guy who has connected a TOM TOM bluetooth head set to the Nav 3 no problem. This would fit the bill as far retro fit is concerned but my X Spirit is snug and I would not get the headset on under it.

I have emailed Garmin and put my problem to them but they have not responded.

Frankly I am finding the BMW Nav 3 one big disapointment. The manual is useless, Garmin have not responded to my emails, I cant pair the Dainese lid up, the jack on the bike bracket is not a normal audio jack and will only accept the BMW headset (that does not have a mic so your phone is useless unless you just want to listen to your caller), there is no headset included so your unit is effectively dumb when you buy it.

Knowing what I know now I would not have bought the unit and consider that it is borerline on being miss sold as no where is it said that its system 5 or nothing.

I will let you know if I am sucessful with the new software pairing the Dainese lid. If it fails again I think it will be E Bay for the unit.

 

[PanEuropean]

...does anyone know if the Nav 111 can work with other helmets, is there a compatibility list anywhere...

Leman:

The BMW Nav III and the Garmin 2820 will pair up with ANY Bluetooth device, as long as that device respects the Bluetooth SIG (Special Interest Group) standards for use as a handsfree headset.

I tried pairing both of the above-mentioned GPSRs up with a variety of over-the-ear headsets that are sold for cell phones, and they all paired up just fine. Heck, I even paired the Nav III up with my IBM laptop computer, and used the microphone and speakers built into the computer to make a phone call via the GPSR. There is no need to purchase only a BMW WCS-1 ... in fact, the entire market for the Garmin 2820 consists of people who don't pair helmets up with the device, they pair up all sorts of Bluetooth handsfree devices, made by anyone and everyone.

If you are having trouble pairing up a specific device, chances are that the cause of your problem is that you are not 'perfectly' following the instructions that the handsfree device manufacturer provides for 1) establishing the initial pairing, and 2) switching the thing into normal operations mode once you have established the initial pairing. Please don't take that as a personal criticism - none of these Bluetooth handsfree devices, regardless of who makes them, would win any awards for 'intuitive user interfaces'.

Keep in mind that the handsfree devices have two different modes - one mode that is used for pairing, and another mode that is used for normal operations. You only need to use the pairing mode once, to establish the initial link between the GPSR and the headset. This much you probably know - but what you may not know is that some devices, especially Bluetooth motorcycle helmets, automatically go into 'pairing mode' every time you turn them on. My BMW helmet with the BMW WCS-1 headset goes into pairing mode every time I turn it on. I have to press the power button (briefly) a second time, after it is turned on, to get it out of pairing mode and get it into normal operations mode. If I don't press the power button a second time after I turn the BMW WCS-1 helmet on, it won't connect with my BMW Nav III. Instead, it will just stay in pairing mode - which is no good to me, because I've already paired the damn thing up. I want it to go into 'normal working mode', and to get it into that mode, I have to tap the power button a second time after I turn it on.

This might sound like bad design, but if you think about it, it makes sense. Most people who buy Bluetooth helmets buy them for the purpose of rider to passenger intercom - in other words, pairing one helmet directly to another helmet - not for use with external gizmos like cell phones or GPSRs. So, the helmets - which lack keyboards, status displays, etc. - go into pairing mode when they are turned on so that they will pair up with another helmet automatically. We odd-balls that use the helmets with GPSRs only need to pair with the (more sophisticated) GPSR once - which means every time we turn the helmet on, we need to kick it out of its 'default' pairing mode and put it into normal operations mode.

So, to make a long story short: Read the instruction book that came with the helmet a second time, and read it very, very carefully. Don't take anything for granted. And, don't feel bad, because I went through exactly the same grief you are going through the first time I tried to pair up my BMW helmet with the BMW Navigator III. I spent about 3 hours trying to get it to work, all the while becoming progressively more and more pissed off. Finally, I read the manual 'word for word', and I found out what I was doing wrong.

Hope this helps you sort it out.

Michael

 

[leman]

dainese airstream bluetooth & Nav

Michael

Thanks for that info, i was actually at the shop trying to pair this helmet so i will go back & have another try, as i do seem to remember the instructions requested for some Blutooth devices you would have to press the button again soon after you turned it on, so would probably explain why it connects then kicks it off, i will let you know if i get it working.
Thanks leman

 

[oddball]

Pan thanks for the infomration, very interesting that the BMW Bluetooth helmet starts up the same as the Dainese product in so much as it does not automatically link to the Nav 3. My Nokia phone automatically links to the Nav 3 on start up, same as it does in my bluetooth enbabled BMW cars. To link the phone to the Dainese lid (after it has been paired up) you have to switch the lid on then after a few seconds press the button again and it finds the phone.

I failed to pair up the new version of the Dainese lid on saturday, it reacted the same as the first version I tried. You can go through the initial pairing and get the devices to see each other, enter the Dainese device code into the Nav 3, then it tries to connect and brings up a message that reads something like "a bluetooth device request has been received, enter the Nav 3 code 1234 into the device". This is where it falls down as you cant, obviously, put the code into the helmet to complete the pairing.

As the pariing is not complete when you next go into the connection manager the Stilo prodcut is missing. For interest check out www.stilo.it these are the people behind the Dainese bluetooth kit.

The Italians have kept things interesting as their new manual says the device code is 0000 but it is actually 1111 as per the old manual. I know this works fine as we paired up three different phones using the 1111 code.

After my visit to Dainese I went along to Bristol Motorad to try pairing the Nav 3 with a genuine BMW product. It paired up imediately without any problem what so ever.

I understand that Garmin have shown some sort of interest in this problem as they would like to say that the new Zumo will pair up with a Bluetooth lid and they are experimenting with the Dainese product. I have been told, but this is not confirmed, that the Zumo pairs with the airstream and would qualify this further by saying there is no documented proof this works yet. You will also note that although there is a list of compatible mobile phones on Garmins main site, there is a noticeable missing list of compatible head sets and helmets.

I think Michael is onto something in relation to the software. There is clearly an issue between Garmin and Stilo that needs sorting out. Incidentally, there is a write up in this months Ride magazine reviewing new products and they also failed to pair a 2820 with Dainese Airstream lid.

So, until the pairing issue is dealt with between Garmin and Stilo it is a matter of fact that there is no other Bluetooth enabled helmet you can buy for your Navigator other than the BMW System 5. Im sure Michael is correct that the Nav 3 will pair up with all manner of Bluetooth devices however the Nav 3 is sold as a motorcyle product so it is essential that it pairs up with either Bluetooth enabled helmets or headsets that can be worn under helmets to get the full benefit of its features.

 

[oddball]

Reading Michaels post again and thinking hard about the manual, a thought has occured to me that there are two types of pairing that can be done with the Dainese lid, one after 10 seconds holding the button in and one after 14 seconds.

I will try the 14 second connection tonight. You never know.

 

[oddball]

Garmin have expressed an interest and are now on the case, I hope they will be able to come up with a solution to the problem soon.

With the latest firmware installed the Nav 3 will connect to the Airstream but drops the connection straight away.

I will post news when I have it.

 

[leman]

Bmw nav 3 & airstream helmet

Yes oddball thats the same situation i had, got the connection then dropped it straight away. i have also been told by Garmin tech that they are on the case so fingers crossed