Dales park's bid to stop motorcyclists

[jimbob]

Article from Harrogate Advertiser...bad news all round, but
why highlight motorcyclists in the headline


Dales park's bid to stop motorcyclists
NEW signs will be set up across the Yorkshire Dales National Park in the next few weeks to stop motor vehicles using public footpaths and bridleways.
New laws brought in as part of the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act allow national park authorities to now restrict the use of recreational vehicles themselves.

Vehicles include 4x4s, motorbikes and quadbikes in the national park areas.

Mark Allum access project officer for the Yorkshire Dales, said: "More than 240 kilometres of footpath and bridleway in the national park were used by recreational motor vehicle drivers in the belief that they might have public motor vehicle rights.

"The act removes the possibility of these rights on these routes, some of which are well-known, like the Craven Way between Dentdale and Ribblehead."

The act also contains provisions that significantly decrease the addition of further public rights of way for motor vehicles in the future.

Only complete applications for motorcycle routes, also known as Byways Open to All Traffic (BOATs), received before January, 20 last year will now be added to the definitive map.

The Yorkshire Dales National Park Authority has five such cases.

Any new applications to add new BOATs to the definitive map are likely to result in restricted byways, which do not have rights for recreational motor vehicles.

l For more information about the restricted motorcycle routes please visit www.yorkshiredales.org.uk.
02 June 2006

 

[Spagforth]

Fully support what they are tryingto do. The paths, by-ways and lanes were never meant for the infernal confusion engine. They are ancient trods for hooves and feet. I am sure there are those who will be up in arms at this and I am sure there are responsible off road riders out there, its just that as a keen walker as well as motorcyclist there is nothing more intrusive than having a walk in the peace and tranquility of the countryside spoilt by oiks revving engines, spinning wheels and generally making a nuisnace of themselves and damaging the fragile environment. I am sure there are decent chaps out there, I wish I could bump into them now and again! I am sure they are doing us, motorcyclists, as much damage as the plastic fantastic brigade.

Spagforth

 

[FatAl]

Fully support what they are tryingto do. The paths, by-ways and lanes were never meant for the infernal confusion engine. They are ancient trods for hooves and feet. I am sure there are those who will be up in arms at this and I am sure there are responsible off road riders out there, its just that as a keen walker as well as motorcyclist there is nothing more intrusive than having a walk in the peace and tranquility of the countryside spoilt by oiks revving engines, spinning wheels and generally making a nuisnace of themselves and damaging the fragile environment. I am sure there are decent chaps out there, I wish I could bump into them now and again! I am sure they are doing us, motorcyclists, as much damage as the plastic fantastic brigade.

Spagforth

I think you have fell foul of the propaganda put out by the ramblers and other NIMBY antis. I too am a keen hill walker and mountaineer I was even a member of the Ramblers association (I resigned my membership of several years when they upped the pace on geting trail riding banned)
As far as footpaths and bridleways are concerned no motor vehicles should be on them. When out walking if I want to avoid any possible intrusion by a motor vehicle I would stay away from unclassified county roads and byways open to all traffic. If as you say you want to enjoy the peace and tranquility of the countryside then why not campaign to have all motor vehicles banned from it (I assume that if you don't already live in the countryside you will either walk or cycle to your destination). You don't mention the hoards of mountain bikers who often ride about illegally on footpaths often out of control (my young daughter was hit and injured by two when out walking a path on the fells). Perhaps I should start a campaign to have cyclists banned.
As for damaging the fragile environment, most of the erosion I have seen away from the tracks with vehicle access looks like it has been caused by hundreds of thousands of heavy boots, I don't think the wooden duck boards put down at great expense are to allow the land to recover from damge caused by vehicles ( incidentally it has been proved that on byways and unsurfaced roads that most of the damage is caused by agricultural vehicles and weather erosion)
As for there being 'decent chaps out there', well I can tell you most are, and take great care when in the countryside, many are members of responsible user groups such as the Trail Riders Fellowship. If you take note when out and about you may on occassion see groups of trail riders and 4x4 users repairing tracks assisted by local authority workers. I'm sure there is an irresponsible and ignorant minority of motor vehicle users who illegally use certain tracks and cause unnecessasary damage, just as there are hillwalkers who stray off paths and cause damage, often to crops, leave gates open, drop tons of litter, and allow their dogs to run about, so perhaps because of them we should close down the public footpaths as well. I am prepared to share the countryside with all legitimate and responsible users, I don't feel I have the 'right' to demand that certain user groups should be excluded because they don't fit into a certain image of the countryside, another example of a user group being excluded are the water skiers and power boat users on Windermere, if some folk don't like to watch or hear the boats on the lake then they have several others in the Lake district to visit that do have such bans. Hell this is going to turn into a rant, I'm off to hug a tree.

 

[Timolgra]

Fully support what they are tryingto do. The paths, by-ways and lanes were never meant for the infernal confusion engine. They are ancient trods for hooves and feet. I am sure there are those who will be up in arms at this and I am sure there are responsible off road riders out there, its just that as a keen walker as well as motorcyclist there is nothing more intrusive than having a walk in the peace and tranquility of the countryside spoilt by oiks revving engines, spinning wheels and generally making a nuisnace of themselves and damaging the fragile environment. I am sure there are decent chaps out there, I wish I could bump into them now and again! I am sure they are doing us, motorcyclists, as much damage as the plastic fantastic brigade.

Spagforth

There are those who say us Tossers and indeed bikers in general have much in common, but as the interenet increasingly dispells these myths I come across more and more misinformed folk who could have come from a different planet

 

[Blue Sweeper]

The ancient tracks were never designed for motorised vehicles

Fully support what they are tryingto do. The paths, by-ways and lanes were never meant for the infernal confusion engine. They are ancient trods for hooves and feet. I am sure there are those who will be up in arms at this and I am sure there are responsible off road riders out there, its just that as a keen walker as well as motorcyclist there is nothing more intrusive than having a walk in the peace and tranquility of the countryside spoilt by oiks revving engines, spinning wheels and generally making a nuisnace of themselves and damaging the fragile environment. I am sure there are decent chaps out there, I wish I could bump into them now and again! I am sure they are doing us, motorcyclists, as much damage as the plastic fantastic brigade.

Spagforth

In the 18th century, a huge network of canals were built, that linked all the inland waterways for industrial use. The traffic was mostly pulled by horse, hence the term “tow path”, and these were used for pulling the boats purely for commercial use. Nowadays, the inland waterway traffic is virtually all for leisure purposes and furthermore, most of it is powered by the internal combustion engine. Why didn't the Ramblers Arseociation call for a ban on motorised use of the inland waterway network as well? After all, the network traverses the same beautiful countryside!

 

[legger]

I think you have fell foul of the propaganda put out by the ramblers and other NIMBY antis. I too am a keen hill walker and mountaineer I was even a member of the Ramblers association (I resigned my membership of several years when they upped the pace on geting trail riding banned)
As far as footpaths and bridleways are concerned no motor vehicles should be on them. When out walking if I want to avoid any possible intrusion by a motor vehicle I would stay away from unclassified county roads and byways open to all traffic. If as you say you want to enjoy the peace and tranquility of the countryside then why not campaign to have all motor vehicles banned from it (I assume that if you don't already live in the countryside you will either walk or cycle to your destination). You don't mention the hoards of mountain bikers who often ride about illegally on footpaths often out of control (my young daughter was hit and injured by two when out walking a path on the fells). Perhaps I should start a campaign to have cyclists banned.
As for damaging the fragile environment, most of the erosion I have seen away from the tracks with vehicle access looks like it has been caused by hundreds of thousands of heavy boots, I don't think the wooden duck boards put down at great expense are to allow the land to recover from damge caused by vehicles ( incidentally it has been proved that on byways and unsurfaced roads that most of the damage is caused by agricultural vehicles and weather erosion)
As for there being 'decent chaps out there', well I can tell you most are, and take great care when in the countryside, many are members of responsible user groups such as the Trail Riders Fellowship. If you take note when out and about you may on occassion see groups of trail riders and 4x4 users repairing tracks assisted by local authority workers. I'm sure there is an irresponsible and ignorant minority of motor vehicle users who illegally use certain tracks and cause unnecessasary damage, just as there are hillwalkers who stray off paths and cause damage, often to crops, leave gates open, drop tons of litter, and allow their dogs to run about, so perhaps because of them we should close down the public footpaths as well. I am prepared to share the countryside with all legitimate and responsible users, I don't feel I have the 'right' to demand that certain user groups should be excluded because they don't fit into a certain image of the countryside, another example of a user group being excluded are the water skiers and power boat users on Windermere, if some folk don't like to watch or hear the boats on the lake then they have several others in the Lake district to visit that do have such bans. Hell this is going to turn into a rant, I'm off to hug a tree.

Fatal absolutely correct on everthing you say, i to am a keen hill walker and motorcylist on and of road, over the years i have walked many hundreds of miles throughout the Brittish isles, up and down Mountains wether its in Scotland the lakes or down in Wales i have come across footpaths that are absolutely devastated by hundreds of thousands of boots tramping across them, many footpaths in the Lakes and dales have to have sections rerouted so they can be repaired, there are hundreds of footpaths in the Dales that are shrod in duckboards, are these put there because of motorcyclists no many a footpath that bear these duckboards are inaccessible to motorcyclists, so how come the motorcyclist is to blame i think what we have here is more and more people are are taking to the countryside for recreation and keepfit purposes and in doing so we have attracted the Snobs and and the rest of the upperclass who have nothing else better to do than Fecking moan about something

It wont stop here, once they have completed the task of removing all engine powered vehicles, they will get there claws in to someone else, be it Mountain bikers or simply farmers using quadbikes to feed there sheep, they are seeking a relief just like we do when we go down the pub and get blasted with ale feckem trail riding is doomed deffinately so i say enjoy the last few months and on your next day out on the trail do yourself a favour in the eyes if dignity and fecking roost the bestards

Andy

 

[Deleted Account 180923001]

Article from Harrogate Advertiser...bad news all round, but
why highlight motorcyclists in the headline

Jim,

....I take it that article is a couple of weeks old.
Couldn't see it in this weeks. Think if you want no hassle
riding on green lanes etc then it's off to the continent.

cheers for the donation by the way.

Gordo'
www.justgiving.com/arcticcircle


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Mine's a pint.........................an extra cold one !!

 

[Spout]

Spagforth

 

[jimbob]

Gordo

I just nipped down the shop this morning and got the paper, so I
guess it might be a few weeks old . An alternative to going to
Europe is to wobble off down to Wahiba Sands...should do the trick,
and no dodgy ramblers to tell you off, only camels. Just waiting
for the temperature to drop below 44'C

Cheers

Jim

 

[Fanum]

Spagforth

Jaybus Spagforth....you got away so lightly with that one.......I'm very surprised

(Fatwah's have ben declared over the most insignificant moan about kids, parents and holidays, I thought you were going to be crucified for that post )

 

[Deleted Account 180923001]

Gordo

An alternative to going to
Europe is to wobble off down to Wahiba Sands...should do the trick,
and no dodgy ramblers to tell you off, only camels. Just waiting
for the temperature to drop below 44'C

Cheers

Jim

.....yeah but I bet this bloke wished he'd been riding round
Masham.............irrate ramblers makes a pint of Mr Theakstons
well worth the bother.

 

[dazzer]

To Be honest chap's What did you expect

We have all heard that this was going to happen,BUT Very few have done anything to stop it

I would have liked to see ALL BIKER'S stick togeather ...but Biking is not what it used to be.

We should have arranged weekend meet's...Not at the usual Places and cafe's ..But at every car park used by the Red Sock Brigade ,Fill them all every Saturday and Sundy through out the summer with our Bike's one per space.Then let's see where they will park there car's

Maybe ..Just Maybe the Police would start puting tickets on these cars if they were parked where they should not be,,,just like they do with the bike's at Devil's Bridge.

But What do we do.

We complain on a Bike web site and get less responce than if you would have asked people to show a photo of thier Work Desk,or some other Crap like that.

I will Miss My Trail riding,been doing it for over 30 Years...

RIP British Trail riding.

Thank The Lord that the French,Morrocan's and Spanish .Welcome us on to thier Trails..

Pass me the phone,Im off to book the Ferry

 

[dazzer]

This is to any of you So called Biker's that also are Ramblers...You Know who you are
I think that I need to maybe join the Ramblers group...

I to in my OLD AGE Have turned in the a grumpy old fart that wants it all my own way.

I don't want anyone other than ramblers to enjoy the country side.Im more than Happy to leave the city every weekend and take over the country side,,well I do have a god given right to it drive my car in to the Dales and block the road's.Leave my litter stuffed in to the Dry stone wall's...never close a gate,let my dog shit every where,and worry sheep Climb walls and knock them down.
Walk on the routes where Im sure to bump into hores riders or Mountain bikes or god forbid Motor biker's just so I can have a moan at them.

I could walk on FP,that are never used by these other user's BUT That would be no fun and no conflict

So Thats it for me from now on Im selling my bikes and turning in to a right Miserable selfish Twat..just like the rest on my Ramberling Mates

 

[John Armstrong]

Hopefully soon the "ramblers" will be so busy annoying anyone with some shoreline that they'll be off the hills.

Amazing the amount of erosion thier boots cause as well, but that seems to get forgotten by them

 

[basil]

As far as i,am concerned,bollcks to whinging lets all stick chairman of national park car reg,clone it onto are bikes.They ain,t stopped people using m/phones in cars,hunting,pheadofiles,etc,so f--k.what goes up must cum down,national park signs i meen.T--ts shut quarry where i used to work,10 years ago,alas the parks had meeting came to condem peoples livihoods,none other than Cris Bonnington turned up.Old tommy jumps uot of loading shovel quoting ( f-- k off back up everest & pick your crap & litter up) . Its a disgrace what the climbers aka overgrown ramblers left up there

 

[Spagforth]

Hmm, thought that would get you going. Tee hee.Still not convinced by your rants though.

Spagforth

 

[John Armstrong]

Hmm, thought that would get you going. Tee hee.Still not convinced by your rants though.

Spagforth

and

 

[forry]

Just ignore him he's obviously a w**nker

 

[dazzer]

Hmm, thought that would get you going. Tee hee.Still not convinced by your rants though.

Spagforth

SAPGFORTH Your more than welcome to attend any of Our Dale's ride out's.

You wont keep up ,but your welcome to turn up and say Hi in the car park

 

[fritz]

Anyone ever wonder what these 'quaint country byways' were like after a few hundred head of cattle had traversed 'em........not that you'd find that on the drove roads obviously
Christ ....don't w*nkers, I mean ramblers...like getting their boots dirty - gays
PS I can say what I want as I walk run climb bike motorcycle etc etc on and off road in the lovely countryside we all own up here. And so should anyone one else who wants too....we're only here a few years you know.
Anyone who doesn't like the dirt could always go some where warmer and drier......a long way away
And everyone IS entitled to their view, even wrong