Day of revelation

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Yesterday my 1200GS went in for 6k service at my local dealers. I booked the Adv. as a courtesy bike so went off into the Peak District and did 200 miles over the Snake, Cat & Fiddle, Matlock etc.

From the outset I'll say that this is my opinion, and that I thouroughly respect others opinions. If we were all the same, we'd all drive the same car, want to marry the same partner, ride the same bike. I'm not an experienced GS owner, have owned 2 modern boxers since 1996. I do ride about 30,000miles a year but 20,000 of that's on a works bike. I am a full time bike instructor yet I like a bike that's unintimidating and capable of changing line / loosing speed mid bend, "zippy & nippy" if you like

The bike I rode was on Anakee's, and it had 4500miles on it. It was cofigured the same as my bike, high seat, screen well up and a topbox on.

I'd been absolutely smitten by the looks and concept of the ADV since it's launch. I wanted one like mad, probably more than anything out of aesthetics. Aesthetics asside, I liked the idea of the bigger screen, the bigger tank and the trip computer. I really liked the the luggage system as in hindsight I wished I had gone for the Metal Mule / Zega / Vern's type panniers.

Anyway, left the GS for service and headed off on the ADV. The very first thing that hit me was how heavy the bike felt at the front end. The bike seemed to so much less positive when pushed through roundabouts. I wouldn't say vague, but that's the adjective I'd use if it was 100x more different. The bike also felt less flickable when changing direction rapidly, like when coming off a roundabout. The bike only had 1/2 a tank of juice.

I then headed along the dual carriageway and the screen made itself felt, yes better for my 6'4" height. Then we came to the jam from hell, about 10 miles of filtering. The extra width disadvantaged me there, the extra bulk being at wing mirror height. With the luggage on, there'd be no difference but the naked bike is much more of a challenge.

Over the next 5 hours I rode the bike on a varety of roads, including the above named challenging stretches. I also began to become aware of an apparent difference in performance, especially when accelerating from low road speeds. I suspect the extra weight giving the bike more to do.

The trip computer was a nice gadget, the bike also seemed to have great road presence. I loved the apparent range the bike had also as I hate filling up (all zips / gloves / stands / tankbag / faffing), yet my bladder rarely out lasts my GS's tank.

I liked it....but then here's the crunch, I collected my little 1200GS at six pm, and set off the 70 miles home. It felt so much better for me, balanced, zippy, sure footed, nimble and fun. So much so it made me really happy with what I've got. I'm racking the miles up on the GS at 10-12k a year yet I won't be rushing out to swap for the sake of swapping. I've examined what I really liked about the ADV, and the upshot is that, for me a change of pannier system and possibly a slightly bigger screen will give me a sweeter riding bike and several big ones still in the ISA. The only bit I really would like is the trip computer but that's probably the latent button pressing schoolboy in me - I can live without that. I'll most likely go for the ADV when I change on the grounds of residual value, but it will be when I change my bike because of mileage and not when desire has got the better of me.

So there we are, I know a bit of a pointless thread but thought I'd share my experience.

Steve
 
Steve,

Not remotely a pointless thread mate. I had a sit on an ADV last weekend. You've expressed lots of similar thoughts to mine in terms of the bike's aethetics and I for one an interested hear test reports such as yours.

Even moe so geiven your comments on filtering etc

Nice one, well done :beerjug:
 
The new Adventure

Your comments may well have saved some of us quite a lot of money! When I saw the Adv. I thought it lokked tremendous - but really a bike for the long distance + some off road and I am afraid that I am now past all that now! Holwever whatever bike one takes out on a test it is usually a relief to get back on your own - that has settled to your contours etc. and you feel in control. However I had not realised the Adn. was wider - on the GS the widest part is the handguards at around 95cm.- filtering is becoming more and more a part of our daily riding I am afraid.
 
well said

A sensible post, and to finish your 1200 off just get the H&B tank bars from Wunderlich for 3140 and you'de hardly tell the difference from an ASV :thumb :thumb
 
Smalesy said:
So there we are, I know a bit of a pointless thread but thought I'd share my experience.Steve

Definitely not pointless, quite the opposite.

Thanks for taking the time to let us know :thumb
 
Smalesy said:
The very first thing that hit me was how heavy the bike felt at the front end. The bike seemed to so much less positive when pushed through roundabouts. I wouldn't say vague, but that's the adjective I'd use if it was 100x more different. The bike also felt less flickable when changing direction rapidly, like when coming off a roundabout. The bike only had 1/2 a tank of juice.
The basic 1200 is easier to set up for turns and generally "more nimble" - I haven't worked out why there is a difference, yet.
Possibly weight distribution, although an empty Adv is probably the same as a full basic 1200 - it might just be the longer suspension travel or it might be the difference between an 04 38,000 mile and an 06 2,000 mile set of shocks :nenau
 
With the preload for the back wheel to low on the Adventure it feels very unsafe in corners. It wont respond to your input.
BUT ...
I weight 100 Kg+ and with front preload one up from lowest, and back preload within three turns from max AND damping in the back set to 3/4 to 1 1/2 turn from max clockwise, it is a sporty bike. Even with the TKC80!

best wishes
/Rune 15000 km on 12gs 3500 km on 12gsAdventure
 
Thanks for posting your experience! :thumb As an R1200GS owner, I have been wondering how the Adventure stacked up, in terms of feel while riding, which after all is terribly important. I love the agility of my standard GS and wouldn't want to sacrifice any of that.
 
Good Post Steve. :thumb

I too am a moth driven to the flame. :)

There is a lot about the 1200GSA that I like, but I have wondered if it would be as fun as the 1200 is on the pavement. (As far as off road goes, I am quite happy with my 1200. I would like to put TKC 80s on it. :) )

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
jonothan said:
A very well written, objective, articulate and analytical post, Steve.

Thanks

J

I'll second that. More of the same please. :thumb
 
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If we were all the same, we'd all drive the same car, want to marry the same partner, ride the same bike.

marry the bike and ride different partners maby .. . sod the car !!



any way went to scotland with the lads mark had a new adv adv kitted with the 100mph rated block tyres are they the tk s????

the point being i had a go and they felt awful no feeling at the front the bike itself felt ok i put a lot down to the tyres but was glad to get back on my own.. mark struggled to keep on the pace the whole trip and when we had the odd shower of rain dissapeared from view altogether declaring them
...his words lethal ...i didnt volenteer to swop at that point

ruino may be able to expand o the tyre issue but they were at best
qustionable
the tread on the rear was gone totally at 1700 miles proper 6pointers thats after running in!!

unless your doing the off road bit at which there not much good either whats the point
like mark says you should be given a option of tyre at that money... blah blah

im not knocking the bike or the image [of which i like] the point here being the tyres are not really very safe for road use

heres mark crossing the firth of forth


http://media.putfile.com/SIILY-IN-SCOTLAND
 
minkyhead said:
unless your doing the off road bit at which there not much good either whats the point
like mark says you should be given a option of tyre at that money... blah blah

im not knocking the bike or the image [of which i like] the point here being the tyres are not really very safe for road use
I thought non TCK80 was a no cost option :nenau
They are perfectly safe for road use - just need "getting used to".
 
Clive said:
I thought non TCK80 was a no cost option :nenau
They are perfectly safe for road use - just need "getting used to".

ok clive it wasnt my bike i stand guided a little but the words safe a perfectly certainly dont seem to belong in the same sentance
compramise seems to be the one that springs to mind im running o20s now and when youve got full luggage and err indoors the differnce to me seems emmense

white lining was not a pleasent expiriance they always gripped again but those moments of uncertanty are still etched on my mind especially as it wasnt my bike
bear in mind that mark is not a slow rider or one not to play if conditions alow but he couldnt keep with steve onhis LT ..star ship enterprise ..when it was wet ?????
ime sure its the tyres that were causing the problems [i hope] the charicaristics of handling were not dissimelar to my own [1200gs]

its just the group view expressed including the owner :rolleyes: over 1700miles

saw this on todays postings :confused:
picture .... thousand words ...spring to mind :eek:
 

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minkyhead said:
saw this on todays postings :confused:
picture .... thousand words ...spring to mind :eek:
Ah, knobblies - bound to have caused the accident - I've never seen bikes with 020s crash :rolleyes:

I agree that TKC80s are not for everyone - especially if they are not comfortable with the tyres "moving about" on white lines or whatever, or don't give them enough time to warm up in the wet. I've done over 25,000 miles on my GS in all weather and over 2,000 on the GSA using them and I'm still cautious in damp conditions until the tyres are warm.
I've had them slide several times when making progress in the wet - the trick is to keep the throttle on - has worked for me so far :eek:
 
Hi All,

Just to add another dimension to the post I took a 12GS and 12GSA out for a back to back test ride last weekend. Current bike is a ZZR11. All of my riding is done 2up (approx 140kg for both of us) so the wife came along for the ride. As others have said the 12GS is much faster than the 1150 and I could really feel the difference in weight as well. I must admit though the front seemed too light and I struggled with the handling for a while.

The overall impression after an hour riding 50% motorway 50% twisties was that it was fine on the twisties (once I got used to the light front end) but seemed a bit flighty on the motorway. I gave it 8 out of 10.

When we took the GSA out it had a full tank so was pretty weighty. Obviously there was a difference when maneuvering it around compared to the GS. Riding it, I felt much more comfortable from the off. The seat felt plusher and as other people say the suspension is plusher too. It was slightly slower to turn in than the GS but felt so much more planted in the corners. On the motorway it was rock solid and didn’t seem short of power rolling on in top gear from 60mph. We used the same test route and the last half of the ride was the twisty part. Now twisty roads in Australia normally mean bumpy has hell and this was no exception. This one is also up hill for about 2miles.

Again the GSA felt rock solid once it was in the turns and there was still enough power to accelerate going up the hill over taking cars on the way.

I think if I was the sort of person who had owned a middle-weight sports bikes and mainly rode solo I would have chosen the GS for its chuckability, handling, lighter weight etc but all the other bikes I have owned in the past 10 years have been ZZR1100’s (223kg?), and the GS1150 (235kg) so I’m not so fussed about the weight. Besides I ride 2up all the time so its closer to 370kg when the wife’s on the back.

For me the GSA was the better bike for what I will be using it for. Two up riding with luggage, fairly long trips 300-400miles a day on the bumpy roads of country Australia. The longer travel suspension, better seat, extra weight, better tank range and I must say the looks have all resulted in a 9.5 out of 10 (screen was still causing buffeting) and will be putting my name down tomorrow.

At the end of the day though you have to be happy with the bike you ride and if that’s the case then you cant ask for more than that (except more time to ride it!)

Gazzr
 


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