Death of a GS

[RedRick Esq.]

Would cornering ABS have saved him?

The bike had cornering ABS but the short answer is it isn't relevant as no brakes were applied !

The video will ( i am assured )be posted up soon and it is definitely the rear that breaks away and i am still puzzled as to why the traction control etc didn't do its job. The only explanation i can think of is that the rear somehow was lifted and the only thing i can think of that would cause that is for the stand to have dug in but the lean angle does not look severe enough ( leaning to the right) for that to have happened. The pegs would fold back not dig in ! and the heads are not low enough and the speed and bend were not enough for heroics like that.

If you look at picture 3 there is what appears to be the centre stand mangled and bent the wrong way along the drive shaft

It is odd and you need to see the video

 

[Wapping]

Would cornering ABS have saved him?

As nobody seems to know how his bike came to be lying on its side, up against the armco on the outside of the bend, having slid its way there; though that is the common trajectory for a vehicle to take, the simple physics of motion forcing the vehicle outwards away from the inside of the bend.

The OP is all but insistent that it could not be rider error, so that excludes him falling off or somehow simply cocking up. Me, I know a giant bat caused his downfall, as will be revealed when and if we ever see the video. Some will claim that the black shape is a bluebottle fly hitting the lens but I can assure you it's a giant bat, the lens distorting the image. The rest is then history.

Now, where are those bloody sandwiches?

 

[Warlord]

The bike had cornering ABS but the short answer is it isn't relevant as no brakes were applied !

The video will ( i am assured )be posted up soon and it is definitely the rear that breaks away and i am still puzzled as to why the traction control etc didn't do its job. The only explanation i can think of is that the rear somehow was lifted and the only thing i can think of that would cause that is for the stand to have dug in but the lean angle does not look severe enough ( leaning to the right) for that to have happened. The pegs would fold back not dig in ! and the heads are not low enough and the speed and bend were not enough for heroics like that.

If you look at picture 3 there is what appears to be the centre stand mangled and bent the wrong way along the drive shaft

It is odd and you need to see the video

Was his camera bike mounted or helmet mounted?

If it was helmet mounted the lean angle wont look severe because he'll be posturing upright, when the bike below him will be angled more.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Was his camera bike mounted or helmet mounted?

If it was helmet mounted the lean angle wont look severe because he'll be posturing upright, when the bike below him will be angled more.

The video was shot by the man behind him so .....

 

[Warlord]

The video was shot by the man behind him so .....

Ok well that's actually most likely the best viewing angle if its not to far behind.

Look forward to the video

Makes sense why you think the rear tyre gave out first, could you even see the front tyre? It'll be that one that gave out first if no engine casing made contact.

In my opinion.

 

[Warlord]

Unless.... the only other option I can think of would be total driveshaft failure locking up the rear wheel/tyre completely.

 

[Giles]

I binned my 1190 on a track day in France (nothing serious thankfully and crash bars did their job) but that was the rear giving up and low siding. Traction control didn't save the day ....


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[brut33]

Was this filmed by a mainstream media camera bod who's slammed a news blackout on it?
It's a cover-up.

 

[Skid06]

Hey I'm an Advanced Rider and I use the bloody brakes. It's what they're there for.

Reason you don't hear Advanced Riders talking about brakes is they are never travelling fast enough to need them. Engine braking is enough 90% of time.

If you are hooning, front brakes are essential.

Took an Advanced guy on a new blade to ireland NW200 in May, he fell off trying trying to keep with us on GS's going up Alston pass, not much damage, he carried on to Ireland...BUT! on the way home in Scotland in the borders he did it again!

 

[jetjock]

I binned my 1190 on a track day in France (nothing serious thankfully and crash bars did their job) but that was the rear giving up and low siding. Traction control didn't save the day ....


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1190 on a track??? . Top effort .

 

[XPilot]

Advanced riding, in the sense of this thread diversion, isn't about being the fastest, so why don't we knock that idea on the head for starters; it is primarily about safety. And it doesn't really contribute to why this accident happened - most of the comment is pure speculation. The video "may" offer an explanation, but equally it may simply create more and more speculation !

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Ok here we go

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Fill ya boots

 

[brut33]

He wasn't leaning that far in. Gravel on the road.
But those who were there will obviously have checked the road surface at point of slippage.
IMHO...dunno.

 

[jetjock]

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Fill ya boots

Braking mid corner ? The brake light is on just before the slide . Probably using the rear brake looking at the way the rear comes around .

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Braking mid corner ? The brake light is on just before the slide . Probably using the rear brake looking at the way the rear comes around .

no that is the LED flicker that you get with these things on video

 

[RedRick Esq.]

He wasn't leaning that far in. Gravel on the road.
But those who were there will obviously have checked the road surface at point of slippage.
IMHO...dunno.

road was clean as a whistle. I am the rider in front on my XR and obviously went round the same bend without incident at possibly slightly higher speed as had the SDR in front of me (not in shot) there was no oil gravel or owt on the road

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

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The OP is all but insistent that it could not be rider error, so that excludes him falling off or somehow simply cocking up. Me, I know a giant bat caused his downfall, as will be revealed when and if we ever see the video. Some will claim that the black shape is a bluebottle fly hitting the lens but I can assure you it's a giant bat, the lens distorting the image. The rest is then history.

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You sir are genius!

That's the issue solved. Case closed.

The rider was under the influence of pure mescaline, raw ether, a salt shaker half full of the purest cocaine and half a sheet of blotters.

Fear & Loathing revisited in the Pyrenees.

Andres

 

[RedRick Esq.]

You sir are genius!

That's the issue solved. Case closed.

The rider was under the influence of pure mescaline, raw ether, a salt shaker half full of the purest cocaine and half a sheet of blotters.

Fear & Loathing revisited in the Pyrenees.

Andres

No that was me !

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

No that was me !

Good man & good practice for your tour of the Flanders battlefields with the Holy One

Andres

 

[Micky]

Things have moved on in the last 20 years . Brakes on old bikes were rubbish so you had to ride accordingly, modern brakes are in a different word so the advice needs to be updated, just like it was in the car world, so I am told, i.e. "Gears to go brakes to slow' for example - anyway if one finds that one is going too fast, forget all that 'good riders don't use their brakes' bollox and use them, there is nothing wrong with riding like that.

The overriding caveat for all methodologies though is that safety comes first, innit - simples

Yeah .... simples. you ride your way and I'll ride mine
Who was it on here who's signature said .... "The mind is like a parachute, it works best when open"

Try it sometime ... The idea is to NOT go in to a corner too fast in the first place, and I've done that a few times
I hope that you don't go in to a corner 'too fast' once too often, I wouldn't like to see you hurt yourself!