Delete 1200 Section??

[jnrobert]

The 1100 and 1150 are essentially the same bike - the 1200 is almost as different from them as the air cooled engined bikes. And the 1200 riders (lots of ex sportsbike types- what kind of noisy exhaust? where can I get a carbon effect codpiece etc) are very different to the trad BMW rider.

It is a breakthough bike for BMW with a brand new Motor, Suspension and new generation of Brakes. I'm currently riding an rs (03) and looking to jump into the boxer motor cause of the added hp and less vibration. I wouldn't consider the old model as a replacement bike for even a nanosecond. The 1200 merits this attention.

What utter bollocks. Have you owned and ridden an 1100/1150? I like the 1200 and plan to own one and I also like a 1200 technical section as its a convenient place to get specific info. But this new to the GS cliquishness about the 1200 is disturbing. Its not that much different as a riding experience (some would argue its worse).

Having said that, BMW must be ecstatic.

 

[Stig]

Freedom of Speech

I... as a sponsor... say....

I would like it to remain! ..

Nuff said

 

[JayGee]

Keep the section but put it at the top of the list.
My rationale being:-
It's a different type of bike appealing to diffrent types of rider
It's the future (a bit like garlic bread!)

 

[Fanum]

It's not going anywhere, so don't worry.

We did have a shuffle around a few months back when the name was changed to reflect that the 1200 wasn't 'new', and to stop it from becoming a totally cliquey sub-forum with people only visiting the one section.

Now, the idea is supposed to be that the 1200GS section is for technical and equipment threads that relate specifically and uniquely to the 1200 model, and any other threads go elsewhere, so that everyone mixes around nicely but there's still a specific area for finding information without trawling through stuff that could only be relevant to 11xx or airhead owners, and the same for them in reverse.

The seperation and percieved cliquey ness that was seen to be developing seemed to stop when we did that, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who hopes it won't start taking off again...after all, we're all GSers and that should be more important than model snobishness.

 

[GSmonkey]

As I started the thread I'll put my two penneth in.

I'd like to see the section deleted mainly to foster a bit more interaction on the forum with 1200 owners. With the search function I don't see the necessity to separate the 1200, as you don't other GS models. If there is only one section people will normally declare their bike model in the text making searching even easier.

If you look at the posts in the 1200 section you will see a significant proportion are non-1200 specific technical queries.

Being a newbie tosser I also like to get opinions from long term GS owners - most of which are on 1150/1100 (for whatever reason ) and may not frequent the 1200 section.

So that was the reason for the poll - a positive not negative suggestion.

Well I thought it was a good idea, but as usual I'm in the minority - much as I will be after 5th May

 

[Rich]

What utter bollocks. Have you owned and ridden an 1100/1150? I like the 1200 and plan to own one and I also like a 1200 technical section as its a convenient place to get specific info. But this new to the GS cliquishness about the 1200 is disturbing. Its not that much different as a riding experience (some would argue its worse).

Having said that, BMW must be ecstatic.

So there's no clique of the 1150Adv for example then.....

Bollocks indeed.

 

[~Stef~]

I would agree it should go, but, do the 1100's/1150's want us?

Andres

at last someones starting to get it

 

[alecmuffett]

What do yo think, delete the section and post in the other technical areas / chat areas or keep the 1200 clique??

There is also an AirHeads clique and a 650 clique; personally I would like to see greater use of per-bike-style forums which will focus the technical answers (less of the "X is better than Y" nonesense) and then redefine the other "Technical" forums as catch-alls.

So I say "Create an 1100/1150/Adv" section, and restructure everything just a tad.

 

[alecmuffett]

Re: Re: Delete 1200 Section??

So I say "Create an 1100/1150/Adv" section, and restructure everything just a tad.

In support of my suggestion, I offer the following link:

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/index.php

- scroll down, and you'll see what I mean, although this is a larger/more fine-grained example than I'd suggest.

The UKGSer site is fab. The forums are fab. I wouldn't want to have to wade through the technical forums and mentally filter all the pro/anti my bike/your bike stuff, however good-natured, when I am just looking for a 1200GS-related question. My bookmark list is probably a fair indicator:

• 1200GS Forum
• GPS Info Forum
• South East Section Forum
• Beakchat
• Equipment and Toys
• Roads to get your pegs down

I would love to see an anointed "General News and Rumours" forum (which is the role that the 1200GS forum used to fill) and then I would like to see the per-bike-style forums rounded out with a dedicated 1100/1150 section as mentioned above.

Does this make sense?

 

[Joyseeker]

the 1200 is a new bike........ new bikes have things to be worked out. good to go straight into this site and see if a problem on my bike is shared.

for example...... and i will describe the best i can.

the stainless steel hollow at the end of the shaft and in the middle of the wheel...... does yours have rust?

i've seen another 12 just back from oz with rust on the same bit as mine and it is stainless steel and should not rust vines of guildford says..... i await berlin.

 

[jnrobert]

So there's no clique of the 1150Adv for example then.....

Is there I've not noticed one and I used to own an Adv. Show me the 1150Adv section on this forum

 

[Rich]

Is there I've not noticed one and I used to own an Adv. Show me the 1150Adv section on this forum

So your definition if a 'clique' is a separate section then...

Not mine. We disagree.

Anyway, this debate is dead, its now purely academic and will deteriorate into a slanging match. Read back, nothing will change whether wanted or not.

 

[jnrobert]

So your definition if a 'clique' is a separate section then...

Not mine. We disagree.

Anyway, this debate is dead, its now purely academic and will deteriorate into a slanging match. Read back, nothing will change whether wanted or not.

You can't make a dig and then withdraw from the field unless you wish to gain a reputation for hypocrisy. Don't be so afraid of discussion either. We're all adults and its a little presumptive to assume how the discussion will go. Perhaps if you spent more time on other parts of the board you might find a lot of discussions deteriorate but not necessarily into slanging matches Why do you think this thread is dead or even academic?

You claimed there was an Adv clique, I was unaware of its existence but I'm open to persuasion. I haven't seen evidence of it on this site, but perhaps you have experienced it. If so, why don't you share? I think it would make an interesting thread and who knows, it might raise awareness of those exclusionary Adventure riding aristocrats.

BTW, my pointing out the non-existence of an Adv specific section was evidence neither for or against a clique but the slightly odd fact that a specific 1200 section does exist. There isn't even a section specifically for 1100/1150 oilheads.

And more to the point, people have pointed out that the 1200 section is not just a technical repository of 1200 info, but is in danger of becoming a board within a board where a wide range of general topics are discussed that perhaps belong elsewhere? That's why I used the word clique.

What do you think?

 

[GSmonkey]

jnrobert: When Rich was saying the debate was dead I think he refers to Fanums post i.e. it ain't changing no matter what you say.

I agree with you on the fundamental point that 1200 section is not just a technical repository but becoming a 'sub-forum' on its own, hence my proposal to delete.

But, the poll says keep it.....

 

[Fanum]

Fanums post i.e. it ain't changing no matter what you say.

Where did I say that GSmonkey???

You seem to have the hump about it, saying it's academic and the debate is dead, when you only have to look at the poll result to see that the statous quo is actually what's wanted by the people who voted.

If the majority wanted it changed, it'd be listened to, which is what happened when we changed the 1200 section into a more model-specific section and moved it innto Technical to try and stop a seperate 1200 clique dividiong off and not being part of the overall community.


If it ain't broken why fix it?

 

[GSmonkey]

Where did I say that GSmonkey???

Re-reading I implied it from your reply....probably doing you a dis-service.

Where did I say the debate was dead and academic??

You most certainly have the hump about it

 

[Fanum]

Hmm soz, it was Rich that said it.....

 

[Marty Hill]

Please keep it as is.

Cheers,

Marty

 

[Den]

EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE

zzzzzzzz

 

[Rich]

What do you think?

Dunno