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Being of Scottish Descent and cos I'm going to Jockgrim for the Piss up, the Mrs has decreed that I can buy a Kilt, assuming theres enough tartan in the country to make one of course, I'm a bit confused as most Kilt-makers seem to have differing ideas as to what tartan the Beattie name should have.
Also, who made yours and would you recommend them to a FEB who wants to cross-dress? I got about a grand to spend.
Cheers Al
 
Many people will tell you that you should wear the tartan of your family. This was something invented by Sir Walter Scott, like a lot of 'Scottish History'.

Originally people wore tartan whichw as coloured by whatever they had to dye the wool and as families stayed in glens and did not move about, the whole family would end up wearing the same thing, so what Scott said had some bsis in tradition.

Like taking water in whisky, it is all a matter of taste. Some people have red hair and red kilts may not suit. Go for what you like. There are Beattie tartans but where something you are comfortable in, and you'll be more likely to wear it more often.

By the way, my tartan is called the Skinner Family Tartan and it was first woven in the 1930s....
 
Buy what you want and wear it with pride :clap

Some tw@ will always come along and tell you that you have something wrong in the way you've dressed or that you aren't entitled to it :(

A true Scot would be delighted that you have taken the time and money to invest in the national dress :oonyack






I bought mine from Hector Russel in Edinburgh. They do an on-line service as well, just Google them :thumb2
 
Being of Scottish Descent and cos I'm going to Jockgrim for the Piss up, the Mrs has decreed that I can buy a Kilt, assuming theres enough tartan in the country to make one of course, I'm a bit confused as most Kilt-makers seem to have differing ideas as to what tartan the Beattie name should have.
Also, who made yours and would you recommend them to a FEB who wants to cross-dress? I got about a grand to spend.
Cheers Al

All holiday leave in the kiltmaking trade has now been cancelled :D

Nice one Al :beerjug: I had a similar quest aboot six months ago and got a good few tips

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Howie from 21st Century Kiltys, Edinburgh made mine...being both a girl and of far to distant a Scottish descent (Oirish actually) i went for the charcoal grey with red pinstripe non tartan....that aside he is a fabulous kilt maker...:aidan
 
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Debunking of some Beattie myths:

There is no relationship between the Beatties and the MacBeth clan. The MacBeth Tartan for the Beattie Clan has its origins in financial gail rather than in historic reality. The book of Tartans, the official source gives the Bethune and the MacDonald as the Tartans for Beattie.

The Beatties are definitely lowlanders, not highlianders. However, given the activites of reivers, it is not surprising to find some Beattie families in areas outside of border country.

Beattie may indeed be derived from Bate which in turn is a derivation of Bartholomew.

Ancestors of the Border Beatties were Saxon refuges from the Norman Conquest. They escaped from London or Northumberland in the eleventh century. In 1070 Princess Margaret of the English House of Alfred and her Saxon followers fled England from the onslaught of the Norman Conquest. Their ships were driven north to Scotland and the Firth of Forth. She was taken to the court of Malcolm III, King of Scotland in Dunfermline. Margaret married Malcolm and her followers setttled in the DumFriesshire area..

Others believe that Arkil of Northumberland who moved across the border in 1066 to escape the Normans was the founder of the sone of Bartholomew, Battisouns and Beatties of the Dumfriesshire area. Whichever story you believe, the Saxon origin is clear.

The town of Langholm in Dumfriesshire is where "the Beattie are of the Borders is centered...Being seventeen miles north of Hadrian's Wall and only eight miles from the present day England - Scotland border, it has seen a great deal of varied history.

Unlike some Reiver families, the Beatties have always been on the Scottish side of the border and that Northumberland English has been predominant on both sides of the border.

1455 - The Beatties aid Red Douglas in the overthrow of Black Douglas at the battle of Arkinhom, 1 May 1455. As a reward King James II (1437-1460) made several grants of land to the Beatties for their services to the Crown. This firmly established the family around Langholm and the Eskdale area.

1504 - Adam Batie was hanged by the criminal court at Dumfries for being part of the "king's rebels...of Eskdale.."

1537 - the year of the greatest dispersal of Beatties from Langholm with migrations to the north of Scotland, to Ireland and to Galloway. Some evidently remained in the area also. See story at the end of this list.

1544 - Beatties and other Border clans came under the English. 116 Beatties were noted under the leadership of a Sander Beattie.

1547-48 - Under English leadership -the Lennoxes, Armstrongs, Beatties, and Littles sacked and burned the town of Annan.

1585 - The Maxwells, Armstrongs, Scots, Beatties and Littles attacked the Johnstone castle of Lockwood.

1598 - more Beatties were dispersed and the clan was effectively broken up. Some claim they went to Northumberland in England from where they had migrated five hundred years earlier.

1618 - the list of "last of the Border blackguards" included the family name of Beattie.

1537 King James V (1513-1542) stripped the Beatties of Eskdale of their lands and gave the lands to Robert Lord Maxwell. Seems that when Maxwell summoned the Beatties to acknowledge him as their feudal superior, the Beatties declared the royal grant was unjust. As the Beatties were mustering against him Ronald Beattie, the chief, gave Maxwell a fast, white mare to flee on. Maxwell shortly sold the lands to Scott, Warden of the Middle Marches. Scott and his men seized the Beattie possessions and divided up the 40-50 Beattie estates. Maxwell, however, appealed to Scott to reward Ronald Beattie for saving Maxwell's life. As a result, Beattie was given the perpetual tenant-right of Watcarrick, one mile south of Eskdalemuir. Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832) states that the Beattie descendants continued to occupy Watcarrick into the 19th century.

In 1988 there were 2,213 Beattie households in Scotland and 478 in England.

The Reiver families have been given somewhat of a bad rap. They typically did not kill....just plundered, burnt, stole and carried off young women! So the arsonists, abductors, and thieves are acquitted of murder!

One informative point for researchers made is that due to the centuries of reiving/raiding in the Border area early church records do not exist. The Armstrongs by themselves supposedly burned over 100 churches.
 
I Knew a bit of that, but thanks Bowser..... I never realised that not much was known about the Reivers because all the churches got burned...

One thing I did know was that untill the 1790s the area west of Hexham to Carlisle and North to the border was a complete no-go area. If you wanted to get your throat cut you went there because it was pretty much a dead cert.
Guess where the 2010 GSER Border do is?
Another thing I know was that if you were asked to help out a Neighbour, say in a conflict or if they had been robbed, it was understood that if you didn't help the crime would be carried to you. ie It was a greater crime not to help somebody in trouble than it was to actually rob or murder them in the first place.


Happy days :D :flag
 
My suggestion

As worn at La Boiselle on July 1st 1916. Hope it brings you a bit more luck!
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As long as you get one that fits you properly - not too long or short.
There are HEAPS of tartans out there, Im sure there are several Beattie tartans for you to choose from :thumb2
 


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