Diagnostic unit for GS1200 Series

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I thought the guys might be interested in this little unit, as it removes some concerns about being stranded in the middle of nowhere needing a lap top to reset the on-board etc?

It is from Hex.co.za


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Welsh 8)

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That looks handy, is it costly :nenau

You say it replaces a laptop, i did'nt know you could do stuff from a laptop to the diagnostics system on the bike :nenau

Go on tell us more :thumb

Shep
 
Because of all the peeps who read the diagnostic, go "My xyz wasn't perfect once in the last 200,000 miles, so I'm claiming even though there's feck all wrong with the bike" :nenau
 
Surely people arn't that picky,

By the way, where is the XYZ & what does it do? is it anything to do with automated stability control? Not issued on red gs's :D

Shep :hide
 
Shep said:

Simple.......if you use this device to alter any of the bikes computer settings (whilst it's in warranty) and you end up fekkin' up the control units, BMW will be well within the terms of the warranty to refuse any remedial work/replacement parts.

Just ran this scenario past the BMW Master Tech downstairs and he said that
if any diagnostic device, other than BMW Group Tester One, is plugged into a bike, the ZFE control unit will log the fact & any alterations made by said device.

He went on to say that if he saw that a non-BMW diagnostic device was detected, he would not undertake any remedial work whatsoever, without first referring to the Tech Support dept @ Bracknell......who in turn would almost certainly refer the owner of the bike straight back to the manufacturer of the diagnostic device.

Personally I'm all in favour of loosening the grip BMW Motorrad seems to have on owners of their products but would urge caution upon anyone contemplating plugging ANYTHING into the onboard diagnostic socket, especially something that enables a user to meddle with the onboard computer settings.

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Could be very interesting for the biles out of warranty, but i'm with dutch , if i had one, i wouldn't plug it into a bike still under warranty.
 
I was more interested in the post warrantee service issues, ie home servicing

BMW are bound to be a bit protective about their service structure during warrantee, understandable when you consider they make little profit from the bikes themselves,but its your bike not theirs, we dont hire or lease them from BMW. They would have to prove plugging in a diagnostics device had caused any damage :nenau

When the final drive failed on my last 1200, i took a sample of the oil for my reference, BMW emailed the dealer and informed them to secure the sample from me :nenau I refused, as it was my property IMO, BMW acted as if it was theirs they were really funny about it and the dealer still rang me a few weeks later to see if they could get the sample. :confused:

Shep

ps Got an email from the manufacturer a few minutes back I'll have a read :thumb
 
OBD2 (On Board Diagnostics v2) was made open source and manufacturers had to supply the information to people by law, so that they couldn't maintain their hold on servicing cars by using arcane dealer-only diagnostic devices.

The same principle should apply to bikes and their OBD systems, although they don't come under current legislation.

A BWM mechanic might well claim that he wouldn't touch the thing, but I think they'd be on dodgy ground...they''d have to show that faults were caused by the use of such a device to not honour a warranty.

Wouldn't want to be the first one to have to try it though ;)
 
hi Gentlemen,

I was just informed about this post, so I searched for it so i could reply and put some issues to rest (and answer questions if need be)

I'm from hex, and we've been developing Diagnostic interfaces for the past 7 years. The post is a little premature, as we are still in Beta, but I will answer questions as need be and as good as possible.

As Welshman pointed out, it is intended as an emergency tool - you're stuck in the middle of nowhere and you don't know where to start fault finding...

As for the warranty claims - aftermarket diagnostic tools have been around since early nineties, and have become widely accepted by even the dealerships in the automotive industry - one of the aftermarket tools that we have had a hand in developing has had such success that the dealerships have even started to use them, by choice...

Eventually it is just a tool - see it as an electronic wrench. very necessary in our modern vehicles, whether they be cars or bikes...

Anyway, I am digressing - for now the tool reads ECU information (part numbers, version numbers and other manufacturer related information), Reading of Fault codes (in plain text to give as much information possible), and of course the Clearing of Fault codes.
This will soon be followed by realtime values - It might be something as simple as your side-stand switch that took a hit from that big rock...

As you guys see, this is intended as an Emergency tool... hence we don't allow the changing of any settings, no remapping etc - We want to try and help to get you back to civilization, not to void your warranty...

The interface to the buses, are industry standard - much like the ones we develop, that thousands of people use on their Audi's (even the highly priced A8) and BMWs and we even supply some to tools for Porsche's... So you can rest assured that we do our utmost to make sure that our bikes are handled with the same (or more ;-) ) respect than any of the above vehicles...

OK, the "fact" that the ZFE logs "anything other than a GT1 plugged into the diagnostic port" - hmmm - use the tool and read the fault codes... and see for yourself. ;-) and if you 're still a disbeliever, take it to the dealership and ask them to check it with their tool...

The bottom line is, we are not trying to compete with BMW Motorrad, nor are we encouraging you to service your BMW motorcycle at home - definitely not! - they are complex and you need to know what you are doing!

We are not trying to break the bikes or void their Warranties, definitely not!
What we are trying to do is fill a niche... to help you fault find, when you really have the need...
..and if you find a fault while you're at home... contact your dealer... and they will surely sort it out for you!

Every one is afraid of what they don't know... once you realize how mainstream this all really is, then you will probably be a lot more comfortable with the knowledge that your bike can tell you what's ailing it...

Wishing you many happy (and safe) miles in the saddle
Stephan
 
Every one is afraid of what they don't know... once you realize how mainstream this all really is, then you will probably be a lot more comfortable with the knowledge that your bike can tell you what's ailing it...

how true - electronics, sensors, PLC's, canbus,scada, devicenet etc etc are everywhere in the industrial world and have been for 15 yrs or so.
10 yr old kids know more about PC's than most of us ever will.

The problem is - as you've identified with the 'diagnostic plug in' is that most riders really need to know whats wrong and how to fix something if your mobile industrial device has left you stranded somewhere.
Industry accepts maintainence and breakdowns of sensors and systems - the difference is they don't need fixing in the middle of nowhere.

Good luck with it :thumb
 
I'm pleased to see something like this coming onto the market. There are stacks of similar devices for cars so it's great to see one for bikes!

I don't like being tied to Dealers for servicing, so best of luck with this.
 
Stephen,

Nice to see the local (SA) lads bringing this sort of thing to market. :clap I have a feeling it may become a very useful tool in places like SA and AUS where the distance to the nearest dealer might be measured in 100's of miles.

Any idea of pricing at this stage?

Dale
 
hi Gents,

I've had a lot of mails regarding pricing. We have not 100% finalized this yet, but all indications are that there will be a limited time introductory offer of the following:

GS-911 USB(only) interface and Win Software - US$ 199.00

GS-911 USB and Bluetooth interface, Win Software and Java app for java/bluetooth enabled mobiles - US$ 249.00

As I've mentioned above, this is preliminary so pls don't hold me against it... just yet... however, as others can verify, this is less than other (good) automotive tools, that don't have the additional cost of Bluetooth either... and leaves some room to make it a sustainable, professional product for the future.

Hope this answers the biggest Q outhere ...for now ;-)

kind regards
Stephan
 
BMW

I spoke to a senior motorrad person today (not in a dealers) and "they" could not see any warranty problems with the diagnostic unit. BUT if you go changing things then there is an issue if you are under warranty. His comment was "the issue of reading and clearing fault codes would have little or no impact on BMW's business". There are as he pointed out several small similar units for cars. A positive comment for Steph and his crew.
 
hi Mike,

the same device does the following:
1200GS/Adventure/HP2
- BMSK (Engine controller)
- ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics)
- Kombi (Instrument cluster)
- ABS3CAN
1150GS/Adventure - Single and Twin Spark
- MA2.4 (Engine controller)
- ABS (Integral/Evo)
- ABS-II
650GS/Dakar - Single and Twin Spark
- BMS-C (engine controller single spark)
- BMS-C II (engine controller twin spark)
- ABSN

We are also in the process of adding funtionality for the 1100 - So Simon (Thomas) can use it on tinkerbelle ;-) - however the problem with the 1100's is that they don't use the round 10 pin plug, and at this point I can't seem to source the other side of the blue 3 pin plug... any sources will be appreciated...

Inherently the GS-911 device will work on other models as well, however it is targeted at the GS range... with time we will release a compatibility list... even for the road bikes it could be a plus if you have a problem along the road somewhere, even if you can phone BMW roadside assistance, you can inform them that you have such and such a problem.... which can in turm make their life a little easier as well...

kind regards
Stephan
 


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