Changing of the guard ?
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Ducati Desert X v BMW F900GS v Husqvarna Norden v Yamaha Tenere 700 World Raid v Triumph Tiger 900 Desert Edition v CF Moto 1000MT-X
- Thread starter Arsey
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The Chinese remain good at copying and, unsurprisingly, being very cheap on the forecourt. But they haven’t yet proved themselves as ‘disrupters’ - earthquake, is a better word - in the sense that the Japanese were when they delivered the Honda 750-4, a bike which overnight finished the UK motorbike industry. Nor have they unleashed anything as ‘new’ or ‘game changing’ as the FireBlade was.
Hopefully, they (or someone else) will do something truly interesting with electric motorcycles, perhaps? Until then, it’s the same stuff (irrespective of source or manufacturer) regurgitated.
Hopefully, they (or someone else) will do something truly interesting with electric motorcycles, perhaps? Until then, it’s the same stuff (irrespective of source or manufacturer) regurgitated.
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Depends how you look at it .The Chinese remain good at copying and, unsurprisingly, being very cheap on the forecourt. But they haven’t yet proved themselves as ‘disrupters’ - earthquake, is a better word - in the sense that the Japanese were when they delivered the Honda 750-4, a bike which overnight finished the UK motorbike industry. Nor have they unleashed anything as ‘new’ or ‘game changing’ as the FireBlade was.
Hopefully, they (or someone else) will do something truly interesting with electric motorcycles, perhaps? Until then, it’s the same stuff (irrespective of source or manufacturer) regurgitated.
Take the TFTs on offer .
The BMW has the same old TFT that’s been on most of their bikes for about a decade.
The CF Moto has a large touchscreen TFT that’s includes CarPlay and Google maps etc.Im pretty sure they’re the first ones to introduce that to the market .
I agree. There have been a few massive jumps in the motorcycle industry. The Honda CB 750 moved the game on in one huge jump. The Chinese are not doing anything spectacular copying and getting some kudos by being associated with BMW or KTM. of course their doing it cheaper in some cases better warranty’s. They have come a long way. I wonder what the future holds? JJHThe Chinese remain good at copying and, unsurprisingly, being very cheap on the forecourt. But they haven’t yet proved themselves as ‘disrupters’ - earthquake, is a better word - in the sense that the Japanese were when they delivered the Honda 750-4, a bike which overnight finished the UK motorbike industry. Nor have they unleashed anything as ‘new’ or ‘game changing’ as the FireBlade was.
Hopefully, they (or someone else) will do something truly interesting with electric motorcycles, perhaps? Until then, it’s the same stuff (irrespective of source or manufacturer) regurgitated.
A touch screen TFT, with connectivity and CarPlay…. That’ll kill the Chiggy revolution.
Bit of an optimist? JJH
Possibly Chigee too
Different mag , same result …..
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The Tenere as real mile munching ability...... ffs it hasn't got a saddle.
Moto v85tt for me, but I've had an Italian happy to try a Chinese.
Moto v85tt for me, but I've had an Italian happy to try a Chinese.
I am rather hopeful that in the next few years, the Chinese manufacturers will also bring out a large cc touring bike.
Pillion friendly and integrated luggage.
Not as big as the Great Wall Souo S2000 but something around the 1200-1300 size
As we have already seen - Chinese 2 cylinder boxer or flat 8 cylinder monster - they can do it all.
At the GS event at the Gate HH the other weekend - someone was on CF1000
Absolute stonking bike, build and price
Grim news for European manufacturers
Pillion friendly and integrated luggage.
Not as big as the Great Wall Souo S2000 but something around the 1200-1300 size
As we have already seen - Chinese 2 cylinder boxer or flat 8 cylinder monster - they can do it all.
At the GS event at the Gate HH the other weekend - someone was on CF1000
Absolute stonking bike, build and price
Grim news for European manufacturers
At the very least, it might make manufacturers such as BMW lower their over inflated prices back to reality.
I doubt it . BMW do seem a tad arrogant and think their product is superior and lets them charge stupid prices.
Would be interesting to know how many people actually buy a new BMW rather than borrow it via PCP .
BMW still make the best selling adventure bike the 1300 GSA and the best selling touring bike, the 1300 RT, so they are obviously not too expensive. It makes no difference to BMW with they are bought or leased, they all count as sales. It could be that Chinese bikes are as expensive to lease as BMWs because of the colossal depreciation.
I’d not disagree with much of that other than the depreciation part.
On a £8900 bike, you can only loose £8900….certainly for the cash buyers anyway.
Yet I’ve bought and sold a Chinese bike and the depreciation was less than on most bikes I’ve sold .
And the purchase price of the bike , complete with heated seat/grips, cruise etc and three piece luggage was less than the depreciation someone on here suffered when they part exd an 8 month old 1300GS for a 1300GSA and lost £8k !
AI tells us:-
In the premium motorcycle sector—which BMW Motorrad dominates—Personal Contract Purchase (PCP) is the absolute leader in dealership transactions. While BMW Group does not publicly separate its finance data strictly by specific acquisition methods for motorcycles, broader powersports industry metrics and dealership data provide a clear picture of how buyers choose to fund their bikes. [1, 2]
Roughly 50% to 55% of all new BMW motorcycles are acquired via PCP, while approximately 30% are purchased outright with cash or external bank loans. The remaining 15% to 20% are split between traditional Hire Purchase (HP) and high-value corporate leasing. [1, 2, 3]
The balance between these options breaks down into the following distinct categories:
1. The PCP Dominance (~50%–55%)
PCP (offered in the UK as BMW Select) is highly popular for premium models like the R 1300 GS or S 1000 RR. [1, 2, 3]
- Industry-wide, roughly 60% to 70% of new premium motorcycles are bought using a dealer finance product.
- Of those dealership finance arrangements, up to 90% are structured as PCP contracts rather than standard loans.
And yet, on these very pages, everyone is apparently buying in cash and only a few 'mugs' go the PCP route ..............
Are Chinese bikes cheaper to acquire on PCP than traditional alternatives or is it just outright purchase where they are cheaper?
Asking for a friend as I tend to pay cash for mine and keep them for 20 plus years
Asking for a friend as I tend to pay cash for mine and keep them for 20 plus years
