Eco Mode missing 2021 R1250GS

[bosnjo]

I´ve made a short video showing the behaviour of my TFT and riding modes. As you can see, ECO is there and working but not displaying ECO in the corner except when I accelerate the engine and to choose Eco Mode I press the button after "Road" and it shows "Road" again but it should say "Eco".

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

I'm assuming you've enabled it? By the looks of it you're missing Dynamic too, have you turned both Eco and Dynamic on in the Mode Preselection menu?

 

[bosnjo]

My bike is base model non-Adventure and it comes without Dynamic modes. On Vehicle Settings page on TFT, I only have option to turn on and off Hill Start Control and by owner manuals I should have my 3 drivong modes there: Rain, Road and Eco as standard for all bikes model 2021

 

[yofi]

bosnjo, yes that's just as I thought it would be when you described it. Most odd. Again, no need on mine to start the engine to have eco displayed. Chances are the issue you have applies to all the base models. I wouldn't mind betting that in testing they focused more on the optioned bikes. Reckon it will a sw fix.

peejay1977 - as bosnjo has only three modes, and you can select up to 4 modes on the handlebar switch, there would be no need to have a sub-menu for driving mode selection - handlbar should automatically have the rain, road and eco modes.

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

peejay1977 - as bosnjo has only three modes, and you can select up to 4 modes on the handlebar switch, there would be no need to have a sub-menu for driving mode selection - handlbar should automatically have the rain, road and eco modes.

In his screenshot he only has 2, Dynamic is also missing hence the screenshots of how to enable or disable the modes available when using the mode selection. But he's confirmed he doesn't have that sub menu so my point is redundant. But it's odd he doesn't have Dynamic either.

 

[bosnjo]

Base model bike doesn't have Dynamic modes. Dynamic modes are optional and are part of optional packs or higher specs bikes, but not if you order standard specs bike and no Dynamic modes option. That is why I should have Rain, Road and Eco modes only.

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

Base model bike doesn't have Dynamic modes. Dynamic modes are optional and are part of optional packs or higher specs bikes, but not if you order standard specs bike and no Dynamic modes option. That is why I should have Rain, Road and Eco modes only.

Ahh ok. BMW website suggests you only get all 7 riding modes Road, Rain, Eco, Dynamic, Dynamic Pro, Enduro and Enduro Pro if you add the Riding Modes Pro option to the base model bike. Their website reads like you'd only get Eco if you had this option, which you don't. But that's just the way the site reads to my eyes.

 

[bosnjo]

Updates for 2021 include Eco mode as a standard to all R1250GS bikes. Even in my user manuals it has been comfirmed. It clearly says that my bike has Eco as a standard, besides Rain and Road.

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

Updates for 2021 include Eco mode as a standard to all R1250GS bikes. Even in my user manuals it has been comfirmed. It clearly says that my bike has Eco as a standard, besides Rain and Road.

Yeah I see what you mean, judging by your video it looks almost like on the base model the Eco mode isn't it's own mode but just a guide as to the most efficient way to ride hence the moving green bar when you rev it, more revs, not as Eco friendly. It seems everywhere I Google Eco is mentioned in quotes almost like it's not a selectable mode. That would certainly make sense based on the fact you had it in either Road or Rain in your video but the Eco "bar" came up and moved when you revved. It wouldn't surprise me if on yours it's just a coach to let you know how efficiently you're riding but to get it as a selectable mode you need the Pro Riding modes option.

However, if your manual says otherwise then obviously I'm talking nonsense haha I just find it odd it shows the Eco bar without being in a proper "Eco" mode.

 

[bosnjo]

No, it´s not like that. Eco bar never appears in Rain or Road modes. It is selectable by Mode button but my problem is on button press it sais Road for the second time and then riding mode in top right corner disappear when it should say Eco. In that mode if I rev it it shows green line with word Eco. When I let go the throttle, the green line and word Eco disappear. I can go back to Rain or Road whenever I want.
So resuming, it is word Eco that is missing during selection and then in the corner of the screen. During selection it says Road and on the screen it doesn't say anything.
So, on selection, it is like this: Rain, Road, Road
That second Road is wrong, it should say Eco. It is confusing but that's the way it is and I think something is wrong. So I wrote the explanation and sent a video to the dealer who is going to investigate further. Everything is bit more difficult now because of the lockdown.

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

I honestly think it's meant to be like that, but I'm curious what the dealer says, good luck!

 

[yofi]

I honestly think it's meant to be like that, but I'm curious what the dealer says, good luck!

Well, it ain't like that if you also have the pro modes, so why do you think it would be different for the base model?

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

Well, it ain't like that if you also have the pro modes, so why do you think it would be different for the base model?

Because he only has Road and Rain, yet the Eco bar shows up when he revs the engine. So either it's meant to be like that or his bike has a MASSIVE software bug that BMW have failed to spot. Not beyond the realms of possibility but unlikely. Also the BMW site says that you only get all 7 riding modes to choose from if you have the Pro modes.

Plus I spoke to someone at BMW yesterday locally who told me that this has caused a lot of confusion. Bikes with Pro riding mode have an actual mode called Eco, whereas the base model bike doesn't have it as a selectable mode, but, it has the Eco bar which is described as a "Mode".

However, BMW have given me bullshit info before so again it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

 

[bosnjo]

Thanks for more info. I'm still waiting for official response from BMW and it looks like it will take some time because of the lockdown.
Here in Portugal the lockdown brings new restrictions every day. Since last Friday dealerships can only have their workshops open and customers bring their vehicles and wait in the parking lot to mechanic to come and pick it up. No reception desk. Everything is agreed by phone.
The sales are closed for visit in person as well. Only by phone. I talked to my salesman by phone and sent the video and brief text explanation by email for him to forward it, he knows where.

 

[yofi]

peejay1977 - ah ok, fair does, sounds plausible (even though whenever there's a new model out, it always seems to be that I know more than the bloody dealer!)

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

peejay1977 - ah ok, fair does, sounds plausible (even though whenever there's a new model out, it always seems to be that I know more than the bloody dealer!)

I know what you mean! There's something suspicious about the literature quoting this as a "mode" in quotes, like it's almost like clever marketing bullshit to be intentionally vague. But I would be interested to know the eventual outcome of this, cause touting it as having Eco mode sure does suggest it should be a selectable mode, like in most modern cars. I almost hope the dude I spoke to BMW is wrong this gets fixed with an update.

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

Just spoke to a friend who works in BMW sales. As far as the literature they have available Eco on a base model is just a "coaching" bar to advise you how to ride more efficiently and that the proper Eco "mode" is only available with the Pro Riding modes. They don't have any base model bikes in to try out for me though.

 

[GSian]

To be fair to Bosnjo, this is what the BMW Motorrad website says:


Standard equipment

TFT colour display with connectivity
Full-LED headlight
DTC (Dynamic Traction Control)
Integral ABS Pro (inclination-optimised ABS)
3 riding modes (ECO, Rain and Road)
HSC (Hill Start Control)
USB charging socket


Optional equipment
Dynamic ESA (Electronic Suspension Adjustment with automatic load levelling and automatic damping mode)
Seat heating (rider and passenger)
Light package (e.g. with adaptive cornering light and cruising light)
Auxiliary LED lamps
Enduro-Package (with engine guard and handlebar riser)
Option 719 milled parts
Sport silencer
Riding Mode Pro, includes additional modes (Dynamic, Dynamic Pro, Enduro and Enduro Pro), riding mode pre selection (individualisation of numbers of riding modes), automated hill start control pro (HSC Pro), dynamic brake assistant DBC and engine brake control MSR
Rallye and Triple Black style variants


From this anyone would expect it to be an actual selectable mode rather than something running it the background. Something that you could switch on and off when you want.

I probably wouldn't want to use it ever, if I was running out of juice I would just ride economically until I got some. I certainly wouldn't want it there in the background where I can't select and deselect.

Has your BMW friend seen a non-TE version? what he say's doesn't correspond with what the website says.

 

[TheStammeringBiker]

Oh I totally agree, the website is quite clear and in his shoes I'd be expecting a third selectable mode as well. I hope there is a logical explanation for it. I don't think my friend sells many base models especially not the latest model so they are just going by what info they have.

I even tweeted BMW themselves and they couldn't/wouldn't give a clear answer. I don't know why it's not just a simple case of them saying "yes it should have 3 modes selectable, there's a problem take it in for service".

 

[bosnjo]

As I said before, I will never need Eco mode in my life as if I need more fuel economy my right hand knows how to control the throttle.
As for selecting or not selecting the Eco mode, it works on my bike, it's just a question of how wierd way it is to select it.
I just wanted to know that everything is OK and working well on new bike. I hate the idea that I've spent a fortune for the bike and something was wrong with it.