England v Scotland

[(RIP) petcul]

Not pretty, not flowing, one try but what excitement. A hard fought battle turning on missed penalties and a failed pick-up. Couldn't have been closer. I was riveted from the first second. Well done England but massive commiserations to Scotland.

 

[Dean]

The Six Nations is going to be good next year, well done England, Scotland fought hard and i thought we had lost it but luck was on our side for a change.

I hope Georgia beat the Argies tommorow, you never know the French got beat

They can play them all Day and they will not beat the argies

Did the french get beat or was it a tactical loss for a smoother path of games to come

 

[stolzy]

Can I just say a word about the French?

My god they were awful, truly properly, biblically awful. Like they'd never met, let alone played together.

I love the French when they're bad - nothing like that combination of arrogance and incompetence.

 

[Dean]

Watched the full game, thought we had it in the bag....I should have known better.............

Scotland played the best in the first half was the better Team, when they ran off at half time through the Tunnel the England players body language and there looks was shocked and rattled as sccotland dominated.

But at Half time after Johnsons talk England got it together what a Try by ashton and his TRY Beautifull so the best team on the day one.

well done England France next week



I miss the swan TRY

 

[Dean]

Can I just say a word about the French?

My god they were awful, truly properly, biblically awful. Like they'd never met, let alone played together.

I love the French when they're bad - nothing like that combination of arrogance and incompetence.

You will see a different France side next weekend

 

[adventure-spike]

Well you won't see the jocks

 

[silver fox]

Awful game, glad England won, but not sure they deserved to. Why on earth do we have to endure Johny W miss kick after kick before Toby F comes on the pitch to sort it out?????

 

[Dean]

Awful game, glad England won, but not sure they deserved to. Why on earth do we have to endure Johny W miss kick after kick before Toby F comes on the pitch to sort it out?????

Tactical to be fair some of the misses was tough Kicks of course England deserved to win they played the better second Half in a very tough game having come from Behind to do so, and dont you find the cricket score land slide games are a Tad boring No it was going scotlands way but England worked hard to turn it for a deservrd win and a deserved topping of the Table

Mind, there Kicker Dan the man he played brilliantly must have been almost scottish man of the match





Actualy in the first half scotland played the best as a team for an england supporter It was difficult to watch but was allways going to be a tough game, Scotland Scrum so strong

 

[Lord Snooty]

Gotta feel a bit of sympathy for the sweaty socks....there the moment has passed - it was very fleeting

Ewan Murray gave Matt Stevens a right beasting in the front row, he won't come against a better prop in the competition.

Watching the Fiji v Wales game, FFS Fiji are playing touch rugby!! Where's the tackling, every time Wales make a half break the Fijians just give up and let them stroll through. Revenge for Wales for 2007 but this game will not tell Wales much.

Dan Carter out, ooooh errrr, the NZ chokeometer will start to crank up now

 

[STUBBS]

Watching the Fiji v Wales game, FFS Fiji are playing touch rugby!!

yes they couldnt touch the welsh

 

[G.C.]

Gotta feel a bit of sympathy for the sweaty socks....there the moment has passed - it was very fleeting

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but here I am, brace yourself.
Firstly, I have a bit of an issue with being called a sweaty, I don't like it, its a derogatory term. Stop using it.
Perhaps its not intended that way, but its childish and insulting.

I'm happy with the way we played this world cup, although not with the results.
Our players conducted themselves honourably, with dignity and a lot of pride. Our coaches did their best with what they had available to them. I think they got their tactics right, alas the results did not follow..
No apologies required to hotel waiting staff, no players cited for cynical tackles, no coaches expelled for cheating!

Our “big” match was last Sunday against Argentina.
The fact that we were denied a blatant “gimmie” penalty at the end by an English referee, frankly just boils my pish. We were through to the 1/4`s then. The fact that it was an English ref just makes it that much worse
Top 8, that's about where we are. Be honest, that's about where England are as well. I would have liked to console myself with a low points win against England and seen them face the All Blacks, even without Carter they would have shown you exactly where you are. But no, you get the French in the worst form I have ever seen them in !

Why have the officials been soo bad ? The Welsh were denied their victory against the Boks when the technology was in place to prevent such a poor decision. Cook knew he had it !

I'm going to enjoy the rest of the tournament, I played with some Kiwis in Aberdeen and have been a fan of the way they play the game for many years. They set the standard, everyone else tries to keep up.
Their results in the world cup don't reflect this.
My 50p is on them to win.

As for the next game
Allez les Bleus!

 

[Dean]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but here I am, brace yourself.
Firstly, I have a bit of an issue with being called a sweaty, I don't like it, its a derogatory term. Stop using it.
Perhaps its not intended that way, but its childish and insulting.

I'm happy with the way we played this world cup, although not with the results.
Our players conducted themselves honourably, with dignity and a lot of pride. Our coaches did their best with what they had available to them. I think they got their tactics right, alas the results did not follow..
No apologies required to hotel waiting staff, no players cited for cynical tackles, no coaches expelled for cheating!

Our “big” match was last Sunday against Argentina.
The fact that we were denied a blatant “gimmie” penalty at the end by an English referee, frankly just boils my pish. We were through to the 1/4`s then. The fact that it was an English ref just makes it that much worse
Top 8, that's about where we are. Be honest, that's about where England are as well. I would have liked to console myself with a low points win against England and seen them face the All Blacks, even without Carter they would have shown you exactly where you are. But no, you get the French in the worst form I have ever seen them in !

Why have the officials been soo bad ? The Welsh were denied their victory against the Boks when the technology was in place to prevent such a poor decision. Cook knew he had it !

I'm going to enjoy the rest of the tournament, I played with some Kiwis in Aberdeen and have been a fan of the way they play the game for many years. They set the standard, everyone else tries to keep up.
Their results in the world cup don't reflect this.
My 50p is on them to win.

As for the next game
Allez les Bleus!

What a lot of Sour Grapes

The last game was the biggest game

Scotland got a bonus point even though they lost to top the table earlier

As for the sweaties I did not know what it was till a couple of years back one of the guys I work with explained it to me, He was 15 years in the Royal navy mixing with all home nations. mind you I had never heard of a FEB until I joined ukgser's I supose thats grown up and insulting fanny sort of thing

What does "Our coaches did their best with what they had available to them" mean I'm suprised you did not blame the ex England Coach

Dan kicked just over the bar as seen in many replays clearly over but when it was well under he asked the Ref was it over

I think your right in that NZ will win it or at least be a near miss in the final

But as an England Rugby supporter can honestly say personaly, If scotland had won (and that other thing happened) I would have backed them with support to go all the way with the logic that they beat England and all the others rather than just england then went out to others.

I will also say now that If England go out I will support and will to win what ever home nation it is left in with no preference .

I have not watched much of wales yet but watched Ireland wow I like the way they play France "you get the French in the worst form I have ever seen them in !" we will see this weekend they will be fresh as a Daisy like a footballer after a dive with his handbag around his ankle

You have an obvious enjoyment of Rugby with a passion i'm suprised you do not train to be a scottish world cup referee If you are I see your already biased

As for the next game may the best team on the day win

J'aime l'Ecosse, mais les chaussettes pour aller sur un peu, pousser que jusqu'à votre kilt

 

[Lord Snooty]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but here I am, brace yourself.
Firstly, I have a bit of an issue with being called a sweaty, I don't like it, its a derogatory term. Stop using it.
Perhaps its not intended that way, but its childish and insulting.

I'm happy with the way we played this world cup, although not with the results.
Our players conducted themselves honourably, with dignity and a lot of pride. Our coaches did their best with what they had available to them. I think they got their tactics right, alas the results did not follow..
No apologies required to hotel waiting staff, no players cited for cynical tackles, no coaches expelled for cheating!

Our “big” match was last Sunday against Argentina.
The fact that we were denied a blatant “gimmie” penalty at the end by an English referee, frankly just boils my pish. We were through to the 1/4`s then. The fact that it was an English ref just makes it that much worse
Top 8, that's about where we are. Be honest, that's about where England are as well. I would have liked to console myself with a low points win against England and seen them face the All Blacks, even without Carter they would have shown you exactly where you are. But no, you get the French in the worst form I have ever seen them in !

Why have the officials been soo bad ? The Welsh were denied their victory against the Boks when the technology was in place to prevent such a poor decision. Cook knew he had it !

I'm going to enjoy the rest of the tournament, I played with some Kiwis in Aberdeen and have been a fan of the way they play the game for many years. They set the standard, everyone else tries to keep up.
Their results in the world cup don't reflect this.
My 50p is on them to win.

As for the next game
Allez les Bleus!

Well I braced myself and then wondered why

Oh dear, you are feeling a bit sensitive aren't you? Not to mention coming across as just a tad bitter and twisted. You profess to be a rugby player yet get upset by a jocular epithet which is all part of the banter on this forum - maybe you need to man up a little.

As for Scotland's exit, well why not blame it on a single refereeing decision regardless of the fact that Scotland failed time and again to cross the whitewash and score a try. (You're not a footie supporter by any chance are you? ) Even better if the ref in question is an Englishman to crank up your simmering anti-English resentment - still it keeps the chips on your shoulders well balanced doesn't it.

As for England's chances - well I don't think we are good enough to win on current form, but we are still in it and have the meanest defence of all the remaining teams. On current form both Wales and Ireland are playing much better but sadly one of them will be knocked out in the quarters. England's quarter final will depend on which French team turn up - and that is never easy to predict.

As for the off field behaviour of a minority of the England squad - frankly it is unforgiveable and a disgrace and I am thoroughly pissed off with it.

Have a chill out smilie :cool to help calm yourself down.

 

[big stu]

Agree with G.C. comments, think the Scots where robbed against the puma`s that was a penalty try all day long, and they should of won that game they out played them. Same against England aye ok Wilko missed his kicks, BUT first half England where played off the park and only started to play in the last 20 min.
Fingers crossed they play better and the French play the same as the last outing. Being a geordie sat on the fence during the England Scotland game , this weekend coming , could be close.
Stu

 

[Deleted account 210609001]

I don't like to intrude on the Scottish pages, but a link brought me here.

GC, getting upset at the use of rhyming slang to describe Scots is a little OTT, I think. Is it the use of the word 'Jock' that offend you, or the particular rhyming slang used? We dont; think you have anything resemblance to a sweaty sock, it's just that it rhyme. Just like socks don;t have much in common with almond rocks, or stairs don't have a lot in common with orchard fruits. In any case, it seems acceptable to refer to English people by far more offensive terms.

Since when did "deserving" it have anything to do with sport? All this talk (of Scotland, England or anyone else) "deserving" to win, or having the better of the game and so on is just rubbish. It isn't a sport decided on a panel holding up scorecards - the means for winning are clearly laid down and fully understood: you have to score more points than your opponent.

Scotland have shown a lack of ability to score tries against teams of varying calibre. Against the same group opponents in the space of a month, one of our wingers scored more than the whole Scotland team in four matches.

Yes, the Barnes decision was wrong when looked at on telly, but I'm not sure if you're accusing him of incompetence or bias. However, if you just felt it was incompetence, I don't see any need to mention that he was English. So I must lean towards bias. A different back line might not have seen one defender being offside, but instead seen a dog-legged defence that was easier to run through.

The reality is that in any match any number of penalty offences are missed, and penalties (particularly at the scrum) are given one way that could easily have been given the other. This might have been a stark example, but in the cold light of day (and with kickers now regularly banging over penalties from just about anywhere in the opponent's half) to pick on one wrong decision seems rather harsh and does make it look like whining.

The Scotland team and management seem to be revelling in England's "off the pitch" problems. Deplorable though it is, the fear is that such activities distract the England players from giving their best. I wonder if Scotland's management focussing too much on either Tindall's drinking shenanigans or worrying about all the friends made by the Scotland team among the locals has had a similar effect on them.

I hate the fact that rugby professionals seem to be going down the route of football professionals - spoilt, pampered and 'too much too young' people who think they can do whatever they want. Let's hope it is nipped in the bud. Sadly, the same factors come into play - Johnson won't ban people who he thinks are the best players because there's now too much at stake. Just as Rooney can do what he likes when he likes and know he'll still be picked by Man U and England, Tuilagi could be caught on CCTV buggering the New Zealnd Prime Ministers dog and he'd still be on the team sheet at the weekend. Sad but a sign of the times, perhaps.

 

[G.C.]

I'm bitterly disappointed that we didn't qualify from the group stages, bitterly disappointed that we couldn't convert pressure into crossing the try line. That's where our problem lies.
No excuses about that but we didn't get the rub of the green and I'm sick of being glorious in defeat.
Where did I say that we deserved to win ?

As for the chip on the shoulder and the man up comments......
Have a smiley

 

[Rocky Mountaineer]

...Tuilagi could be caught on CCTV buggering the New Zealnd Prime Ministers dog and he'd still be on the team sheet at the weekend. Sad but a sign of the times, perhaps.

Very sad, but stunning observation.

But please, in future, don't speak of Rooney and Tuilagi in the same sentence. Tuilagi would never have to pay the dog.

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

Firstly, I have a bit of an issue with being called a sweaty, I don't like it, its a derogatory term. Stop using it.
Perhaps its not intended that way, but its childish and insulting.

.....

thats locked it in for ever

 

[Lord Snooty]

As for the chip on the shoulder and the man up comments......
Have a smiley

Stunningly original and well thought out - well done sir

At least you've stopped your moaning

 

[skinnersscotch]

My son's fiance is Irish.

So I have taken to supporting the Irish for the rest of the World Cup, as has he.

My wife said, "Why don't you support England?"

When I finally stopped laughing I had pulled all the muscles in my side!