Europe 2015.20 update available to BMW Navigator V - Part 2 - Not enough space....

[RedRick Esq.]

Richard
I had a similar issue and resolved it by firstly doing as you have said and removing all the language and help files and other shit I don't need then I cleared all my favourites off the device ( I have them stored separately ) and routes etc then loaded the new maps on no problem
Then just re add your favourites and routes etc
Also if you use finder on the mac try sending all the existing maps to trash before you install the new ones

 

[Wapping]

The problem is that I couldn't find the map files on the device via Finder.

It appears that they are hidden.

Via a hunt on Google, I have found a thread on AdRider that might hold the answer:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=940668&page=2

I have switched the Nav V from 'MTP Auto Detect' to 'Mass storage' (using Emoto's very clear post 19) and then asked Garmin Express to update the device with the new maps, which it seems to be doing. That it now appears to be updating the device WITHOUT me inserting an SD card / without me getting a message that there is not enough space, might be just a coincidence. How far it will get I have no idea. If it stops after the 45 minutes, as yours did, I will start it again. I bloody well hope it's not just doing them on my Mac again! It's a slightly different screen in Garmin Express, with a different progress bar.... so fingers crossed!

If it fails to update the device, I should at least now be able to see the map files in Finder and delete them manually.

If I screw it all up I will talk to my chums in Garmin and get them to rebuild my Nav V.... Good job I have a spare.



Thanks though for the tip about removing all the favourites and routes. If it fails, I will try that, too. I used to find updating maps really easy, even for a complete IT illiterate such as myself. Everything else i can cope with, even BaseCamp but the jargon and mucking about in files leaves me thrashing around in the dark.

 

[Wapping]

Well, something is still going on.

I last saw Garmin Express at 01:05 AM with three hours to go. It's now 06:10 and it has 19 minutes to go..... I wonder if it has stalled? If I click on 'Details' it tells me it's 'Building'.


It has definitely stalled at 19 minutes to go....


I ejected the device.

It still works and is still running its 2014.4 maps. Unlike redrick's and Toddmeister's experience, the existing maps have not been removed.

When I reconnect the Nav v, Garmin Express shows it as still left with 19 minutes to go and still 'building'.

I then quit Garmin Express, received a notice that quitting might cause a problem but went ahead anyway.

I then ejected the device.

The device still works and is still on its 2014.4 maps.

On reconnection, Garmin Express shows that the 'building' process has stopped and that 2015.2 is available to install, estimated time 3 hours.

I clicked on install. Garmin Express jumps back to its 19 minutes remaining and 'building' state.... Stalled again, it seems.

Quite Garmin Express (the same dire warning) and ejected the device again.

It sill works and is still running its 2014.4 maps quite happily.

On reconnection, Garmin Express tells me that 2015.2 maps are available, estimated installation time, three hours.

I still can't see the map files in Finder.... If someone can tell me how to see 'Invisible' files on a Mac, that would be very handy Emoto's suggestion of switching to 'Mass storage' has not done it.



Time for an SD card..... I have found an 8 GB micro one kicking about.... Going in, as they say....

 

[Wapping]

Ho hum....

It was an SD card that I must have used on my old 660 as the Nav V could not unlock the map set the card carried. I have deleted everything on the card and cleaned it using 'Clean my Mac'....

Garmin Express cannot not find the SD card, so keeps defaulting to the '19 minutes remaining' message.

Time to try MapInstaller, which can at least see the SD card and tells me there is enough room.....

Away I go.... Building map data.... Could take hours but MapInstaller has rushed through in seconds to 5 minutes remaining..... It's doing something but I have no idea what..... Very glad I have a spare Nav V.... Three minutes remaining..... 1 minute remaining...... Completed....

Transferring.... 25 minutes remaining.... I guess it's going to the SD card.... It's now in a race with me having to go to work in half an hour..... 17 minutes remaining...... This is nail biting stuff..... I feel like an IOD expert in Afghanistan but he lacks that sense of danger..... 13 minutes remaining...... 11 minutes and counting..... 9 minutes.... I am going to cry if this is just a joke.... 8 minutes, now 7....... 6 minutes and the blue progress bar is still moving from left to right....... Off to find my tie..... 5 minutes.... You just dare stop.... 3 minutes.... Progress bar still filling.... 2 minutes..... 1 minute..... Installation complete..... We shall see what that means.....

Eject the SD card

Eject the Nav V

Turn on the Nav V....

Hoorah!

The 2015.2 maps are there on the device (which is good) and it has a tick in its box, along with all the other map set boxes ticked (I am not sure I need them all ticked, i have untucked them all except 2015.2 and the Nav V seems to work and show detailed maps ) .... Now to see what BaseCamp sees on the device's maps....

 

[iand46]

Ho hum....

It was an SD card that I must have used on my old 660 as the Nav V could not unlock the map set the card carried. I have deleted everything on the card and cleaned it using 'Clean my Mac'....

Garmin Express cannot not find the SD card, so keeps defaulting to the '19 minutes remaining' message.

Time to try MapInstaller, which can at least see the SD card and tells me there is enough room.....

Away I go.... Building map data.... Could take hours but MapInstaller has rushed through in seconds to 5 minutes remaining..... It's doing something but I have no idea what..... Very glad I have a spare Nav V.... Three minutes remaining..... 1 minute remaining...... Completed....

Transferring.... 25 minutes remaining.... I guess it's going to the SD card.... It's now in a race with me having to go to work in half an hour..... 17 minutes remaining...... This is nail biting stuff..... I feel like an IOD expert in Afghanistan but he lacks that sense of danger..... 13 minutes remaining...... 11 minutes and counting..... 9 minutes.... I am going to cry if this is just a joke.... 8 minutes, now 7....... 6 minutes and the blue progress bar is still moving from left to right....... Off to find my tie..... 5 minutes.... You just dare stop.... 3 minutes.... Progress bar still filling.... 2 minutes..... 1 minute..... Installation complete..... We shall see what that means.....

PC I know but this any use?

http://www.motofans.be/gps/55-bmw-n...r-v-mass-storage-mode-vs-mtp-auto-detect-mode

 

[Toddmeister]

It would appear we're all getting a "unique experience" when upgrading maps!

Glad to hear you seem to have cracked it and hope it all works.

 

[Toddmeister]

And one other thing I did note is that if you minimise the screen whilst Express is downloading, or open up another application over the top of it, it all seems to freeze and sticks on the percentage complete.

The only way it worked for me was to have Express running as the sole application with it up on the screen and screensaver turned off. It then took under an hour for each attempt with no manual deletion a of anything and the original map was definitely deleted by Express on the first go.

The joy of Garmin!

 

[BillWright]

Hi

To reveal hidden files on a Mac, download an app called InVisible.

It literally all becomes clear

Bill

 

[Wapping]

Well the good news is:

1. The device works

2. BaseCamp works

3. Both are running the latest map sets in full

4. I plotted a simple route on the Mac from home to the office (about 8 minutes by Boris Bike) and exported it successfully. Leaving aside a delay over finding any satellites, all was well.

5. I mucked about asking the device to take me from London EC3 to a small street in a very small village in France, which it did.

I now only need to find a way to stop Garmin Express thinking I have not updated the maps on the device. Oh, and to update my second Nav V.... Which should now be straightforward... We shall see.


I think my considered advice to anyone updating the maps on a Nav V (or the new Garmin equivalent) is to go straight to a new 8 gb SD card, FAT 32 formatted. All should be well.

Richard

 

[stever1]

Wapping, its good to know that it now works, BUT, its about time Garmin got there units (both nav and zumo) fitted with enough memory so that it will update without extra cards being fitted, and they should make updating simple.

 

[iand46]

Well the good news is:

1. The device works

2. BaseCamp works

3. Both are running the latest map sets in full

4. I plotted a simple route on the Mac from home to the office (about 8 minutes by Boris Bike) and exported it successfully. Leaving aside a delay over finding any satellites, all was well.

5. I mucked about asking the device to take me from London EC3 to a small street in a very small village in France, which it did.

I now only need to find a way to stop Garmin Express thinking I have not updated the maps on the device. Oh, and to update my second Nav V.... Which should now be straightforward... We shall see.


I think my considered advice to anyone updating the maps on a Nav V (or the new Garmin equivalent) is to go straight to a new 8 gb SD card, FAT 32 formatted. All should be well.

Richard

Has it deleted the old version maps from the device?

 

[iand46]

Wapping, its good to know that it now works, BUT, its about time Garmin got there units (both nav and zumo) fitted with enough memory so that it will update without extra cards being fitted, and they should make updating simple.

At least 8gb for the latest devices so in theory they have plenty of memory for the intended maps, it's just very poor software i.e. not removing old outdated never to be used again maps.

 

[Wapping]

Has it deleted the old version maps from the device?

No, they are still there in its internal memory. I can't see anyway of removing them unless I open the device up in Finder, hunt out the hidden files and then (hopefully) delete the right files. I really would like a nice set of pictures on how to do this.

At least 8gb for the latest devices so in theory they have plenty of memory for the intended maps, it's just very poor software i.e. not removing old outdated never to be used again maps.

Now, that's what it should be doing, indeed.

 

[Wapping]

I obtained a fresh 8 gb micro SD card from the very helpful IT bods at work and have loaded it into my second Nav V.

Not sure why but I took the precaution of removing Garmin Express from my Mac and loaded it again.

I connected my second Nav V, along with its virginal 8 gb SD card and asked Garmin Express to load the latest maps, onto the device only, so missing out my Mac which has them already.

Following advice obtained elsewhere in this thread, I shut down everything EXCEPT Garmin Express.

Not tempting fate, it seems to be going swimmingly well. I am not sure but I think Garmin Express is drawing the mapset from the Mac, rather than downloading from the Garmin servers, saving it and then installing it. It certainly seems to be speeding along, the 'building' part being over in under a minute and the 'installing' part (going on right now) being already 65% complete in ten minutes, 35% to go in the next eight minutes. Fingers crossed. It will be interesting to see if it all works.

Edit...

All apparently installed in under 15 minutes, start to finish.... Now to see what it all looks like....

BaseCamp is showing the device as running 2015.20 which is a good start

I can at least send a short test route to the device

I can eject the device and its card together

Turning on the device.....

It's found a route and it's asking if I wish to import it into trip planner... yes... Yup, it's the short test route... In it goes and it works.

Now to look at the maps.....

BINGO!

Garmin Express has removed ALL the old maps from the device. BUT, it has installed the new maps onto the device NOT onto the card, which is showing as having 8 gb free space. Quite bizarre! Why that didn't happen with the other Nav V I cannot start to think. It can't be down to the long list of favourites or the number of routes on the device, as I didn't remove any.


I am now going to reconnect my other Nav V and run the map installation process again, not from MapInstaller (albeit that did work) but using Garmin Express. It is 'building' at this very moment... But much slower... Very odd, I wonder why... Five minutes in and it's still 'building' when the other device was well into its 'installing' mode by now.... I wonder if it's down to the SD card? I will have to beg another from the IT monkeys... 10 minutes in and it's still 'building'. The other device was near enough finished by now.

 

[Wapping]

Right, that was getting me nowhere fast; the 'building' on the second device is just spinning its wheels.

I am going to pull the SD card out and try a fresh one this evening. I am also going to do it via my Mac Air as that needs its own mapset updating anyway.

I am happy that I now have my Mac and one Nav V, both with their new maps, both up and running; so I don't mind being a bit brutal to its sister, up to and including a hard re-set if required. Meanwhile, its sister has its new maps (on its SD card, I can see them and the space occupied in Info) and its old map on the device itself (again, I can see the space used in Info) and the device seems to work. I would just like to get them both to the same, simple state, both with their full mapsets on the device itself. It can't be impossible, surely?

 

[stroller]

Like you, I have updated my Zumo 660 and Basecamp with the 2015.20 mapping. The Zumo has been updated to an SD card, and also like you I have been unable to delete the original mapping from the internal memory, due to lack of knowledge and being wary of causing untold chaos by deleting the wrong stuff!
2015.20 mapping is showing on Basecamp & the Zumo, so all appears to be well.
Now comes the frustrating part - I have done a circular route on Basecamp (approx 190 miles), but when I transfer it to the Zumo, the route has suddenly become 300+miles due to loads of offshoots that have been added in! I have tried to do this several times with the same result each time.
I have checked the profile preferences on the Zumo & Basecamp and they are both set to motorcycling with all avoidances unchecked except unpaved roads.
It's driving me mad. I have been setting routes on a PC for years & transferring them to a device without any of these issues, and I have no idea what the problem is or how to resolve it.

 

[iand46]

Right, that was getting me nowhere fast; the 'building' on the second device is just spinning its wheels.

I am going to pull the SD card out and try a fresh one this evening. I am also going to do it via my Mac Air as that needs its own mapset updating anyway.

I am happy that I now have my Mac and one Nav V, both with their new maps, both up and running; so I don't mind being a bit brutal to its sister, up to and including a hard re-set if required. Meanwhile, its sister has its new maps (on its SD card, I can see them and the space occupied in Info) and its old map on the device itself (again, I can see the space used in Info) and the device seems to work. I would just like to get them both to the same, simple state, both with their full mapsets on the device itself. It can't be impossible, surely?

After ejecting the 1st device & card make sure the trash is empty.

 

[Wapping]

Like you, I have updated my Zumo 660 and Basecamp with the 2015.20 mapping. The Zumo has been updated to an SD card, and also like you I have been unable to delete the original mapping from the internal memory, due to lack of knowledge and being wary of causing untold chaos by deleting the wrong stuff! 2015.20 mapping is showing on Basecamp & the Zumo, so all appears to be well Now comes the frustrating part - I have done a circular route ....and I have no idea what the problem is or how to resolve it.

Easy suggestion first.

Fire up your 660.

Go into the map properties. I forget exactly how you do this but start with the spanner and then look for the maps menu.

When you get there you should see the various mapsets listed with ticks in the boxes against each. Untick them all, EXCEPT the latest 205:20 set. That should sort it out. You might need to reimport the route / turn the device on and off again, too. If it doesn't work, report back. if it does work, report back anyway.

After ejecting the 1st device & card make sure the trash is empty.

Will do.

 

[Wapping]

No matter what, the other device is refusing to accept the latest map sets on anything but a memory card.

So:

(a) That's one Nav V that has accepted the updates onto its main drive, deleting the old map set in the process and ignoring the virginal SD card entirely. Once the new maps were installed on my Mac, this was quite a quick process.

(b) A second Nav V that is refusing to accept the new maps on anything but an SD card. This is quite a slow process, in essence doubling the time taken.

Outwardly, both Nav V's are otherwise identical.

When the second device has finished loading the new maps onto the card, I will have to see if Garmin Express will wipe the device's internal memory, removing the old maps.

I would like to know why the two device's map storage methods differ.

 

[iand46]

Europe 2015.20 update available to BMW Navigator V - Part 2 - Not enough spac...

No matter what, the other device is refusing to accept the latest map sets on anything but a memory card.

So:

(a) That's one Nav V that has accepted the updates onto its main drive, deleting the old map set in the process and ignoring the virginal SD card entirely. Once the new maps were installed on my Mac, this was quite a quick process.

(b) A second Nav V that is refusing to accept the new maps on anything but an SD card. This is quite a slow process, in essence doubling the time taken.

Outwardly, both Nav V's are otherwise identical.

When the second device has finished loading the new maps onto the card, I will have to see if Garmin express will wipe the device's memory, removing the old maps.

I would like to know why the two device's map storage methods differ.

Did you do a master reset first to get it back to a factory state? It may leave old maps installed hence choosing the SD card.