Europe 2015.20 update available to BMW Navigator V - Part 2 - Not enough space....

I must confess I didn't. I had meant to, then forgot, pushing the 'update device' button by mistake. I can always do it again.

I am though penning an email to Garmin to see if they can throw some light on why two devices that are the same, do things differently. I do wonder if the internal memory space is really critical. If one device had a fraction more disc space used up, I guess the software defaults to 'the next best option' i.e.. the SD card.

I have also been looking for ways (other than downloading an app) for showing hidden files on a Mac. as usual, the answers are several and out there, including:

http://ianlunn.co.uk/articles/quickly-showhide-hidden-files-mac-os-x-mavericks/

To be honest, I don't really want to see system files that Apple have deliberately hidden away; just the map files on my Nav V so that I can free the space that Garmin Express is reluctant to clear.
 
Europe 2015.20 update available to BMW Navigator V - Part 2 - Not enough spac...

Did you check out the link on post 25?

You can see the map in mass storage.
 
Wapping said:
Easy suggestion first.

Fire up your 660.

Go into the map properties. I forget exactly how you do this but start with the spanner and then look for the maps menu.

When you get there you should see the various mapsets listed with ticks in the boxes against each. Untick them all, EXCEPT the latest 205:20 set. That should sort it out. You might need to reimport the route / turn the device on and off again, too. If it doesn't work, report back. if it does work, report back anyway.



Will do.
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The only map sets ticked are CN Europe NT 2015.20 & 2015.20 3D, and I have made sure the trash is empty.
Uploaded another sample route & rubbish again! Basecamp uploads the route to the Zumo's internal memory which still has the 2014 maps - it seems to me that this must be the problem, although I don't imagine the maps have changed much?
I then copied and pasted the same route to the SD card, and this looks more promising, but I won't be confident until I have the chance to ride the route, maybe tomorrow.
I have a trip to Spain coming up shortly, and right now I have zero confidence in any routes I plan and put on the Zumo. Never had a problem before 2015.20 came along, and I am mystified what is going on.
 
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Stroller
You need to reinstall your maps & get rid of that old map.

I suggest you format your SD card & use GE to reinstall maps to device with SD fitted by using the advanced tab & after that do a master reset but save any favourites & routes first.
 
stroller, do you get a message on the device or on your computer saying something like: This route was created in a different map, would you like to recalculate?

If so, what do you do then?
 
I have had that previously, but not with the route I uploaded this evening, even with the one that went to the internal memory.
When I have had that message, I tell it not te re-calculate.
 
iand46 said:
You need to reinstall your maps & get rid of that old map.

I suggest you format your SD card & use GE to reinstall maps to device with SD fitted by using the advanced tab & after that do a master reset but save any favourites & routes first.
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I probably will delete everything off the SD card and re- install the maps to the card with it in the Zumo, ( although this is exactly what I did last time), but I still don't know how to delete the 2014 maps from the internal memory.
Excuse my ignorance, but What is a master re-set and how do you do it?
 
stroller said:
I have had that previously, but not with the route I uploaded this evening, even with the one that went to the internal memory.
When I have had that message, I tell it not te re-calculate.
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Try telling it to recalculate and / or force it to do it in BaseCamp. You can't break it.

Just as something else to look at. BaseCamp may well have your older maps available on your computer. If you are really stuck, open the earlier version (which will match that on your device's internal memory) and go from there.


PS: https://support.garmin.com/support/...caseId={981611c0-aa7d-11dd-f60b-000000000000}

or Google 'hard re-set Garmin 660'
 
Wapping said:
No matter what, the other device is refusing to accept the latest map sets on anything but a memory card.

So:

(a) That's one Nav V that has accepted the updates onto its main drive, deleting the old map set in the process and ignoring the virginal SD card entirely. Once the new maps were installed on my Mac, this was quite a quick process.

(b) A second Nav V that is refusing to accept the new maps on anything but an SD card. This is quite a slow process, in essence doubling the time taken.

Outwardly, both Nav V's are otherwise identical.

When the second device has finished loading the new maps onto the card, I will have to see if Garmin Express will wipe the device's internal memory, removing the old maps.

I would like to know why the two device's map storage methods differ.
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This is now getting very bizarre....

Having had Garmin Express tell me that - as there was insufficient space on the device's internal memory - it would load the 2015.2 maps onto the SD card and then slooooooowly proceed (it has just finished) to download the maps and install them on my second device........ It has, instead..... Wait for it....

(1) Removed all the 2014 maps from the device, which is great news

(2) Loaded the 2015.2 maps into the device's internal memory, great news again

(3) Left the virginal SD card with its honour fully intact, great news too

I now have two Nav V's, both with the latest 2015 mapping on their internal drives, both with empty SD cards and a Mac and a Macbook with the latest 2015 mapping (and the old maps too, available via the drop-down box, though I really don't need them)


So that's it from me on this topic, just to say when bods come to update their own maps, I suggest they do the following:

(a) Insert an 8 gb virginal SD card into the device's slot

(b) Install the new maps onto your computer, using Garmin Express

(c) Then install the maps onto your device, using Garmin Express. I must confess I haven't tried the 'Do both at once option'

(d) When the Garmin Express software says says it has detected an SD card and it'll use that memory as its target location, just go along with it

(e) Wait another three hours whilst computer, Garmin Express and device / card do their stuff....

(f)......and then discover it has loaded it onto the device's internal memory anyway and removed the old maps into the bargain.

I have no idea why it demands an empty SD card and then not use it. It makes sense, at least to me, that the software should remove the old maps, free up space on the internal memory and then occupy it with the new maps, in preference to utilising the SD card.... but why, if it's going to do that, demand the SD card in the first place?

PS During this entire process I had JUST Garmin Express running, nothing else.


Happy days!

Richard
 
trebor said:
As I said in my previous post (#6), I suspect it needs the SD card to temporarily store files whilst it updates the device.

Bob
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Aha, I missed your post.

I wondered that too, I must confess. It would make sense, I guess? I suppose it must be preferable in IT terms to have data in a regular internal memory, rather than on an SD card but use the card as a temporary dump?

I have no idea whether it's possible to watch an SD card fill and then empty in real time?

What is clear is that this appears to only happen with Garmin Express. When I used MapInstaller it definitely loaded the new 2015 map onto the SD card and left the device's old 2014 maps on its internal memory untouched; that is probably not surprising. THIS, IF HE IS USING MAPINSTALLER, MIGHT EXPLAIN STROLLER'S PROBLEM???? It might also explain why Garmin now hide the map files from view; bods will not need to touch them, as Garmin Express will do the removal job come update time.

I see no point in now removing the empty SD cards; they may as well stay in the devices until the next time.
 
All very strange!

I wonder if there is any influence over this from saved tracks, routes and favourites stored on the device? I don't know how these are kept, or how much memory space they take up, but it's the only thing I can think of which would cause a difference between otherwise identical units.

When I updated mine I had previously deleted my routes from the device, hadn't done anything with the tracks other than the usual transfer into BC that automatically happens when you connect and I only have about 10 favourites stored.

Even though mine worked fine (after two attempts) and with no memory card, I think I will invest in a micro SD for future updates just to be safe.
 
Toddmeister said:
Even though mine worked fine (after two attempts) and with no memory card, I think I will invest in a micro SD for future updates just to be safe.
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I think this just highlights the fact that It's a software bug & not really related to using or not using an SD card although there's no harm in fitting one. I'm sure Garmin will sort it out in a future firmware update.

The GPX files that contain favourites & routes are quite small so don't use much memory.
 
stroller said:
I did use GE last time and it didn't delete the old maps, but I am going to wipe the SD card clean and start again. I will report back on my success or not.
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In a previous post you mentioned you'd put the new maps on the SD card.

Make sure you reinstall the maps to the device & not directly to the SD card.
 
iand46 said:
In a previous post you mentioned you'd put the new maps on the SD card.

Make sure you reinstall the maps to the device & not directly to the SD card.
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Quick update - I wiped the SD card clean, emptied the trash on the Mac, and then went to re-install the whole of Europe via GE.
Immediately told there was insufficient space in the memory, and had the option of installing to SD card or installing a smaller area.
I decided to install Western Europe only to the device only, via the advanced option.
The SD card was still in the device, so I was interested to see whether the new maps would go to the card or the int memory - They have gone to the Zumo's memory and the SD card is empty.
The only mapping now showing on Basecamp is CN Europe NT 2015.20.
At least I have got rid of the 2014 mapping, but it still leaves the issue that you cannot install the whole of Europe to the Zumo - I don't know if this will create an issue if for some reason I wanted to load the whole of Europe on the SD card.
Next step is to create some routes on Basecamp and see if they transfer OK to the Zumo.

Thanks for all the advice.
 
stroller said:
Quick update - I wiped the SD card clean, emptied the trash on the Mac, and then went to re-install the whole of Europe via GE.
Immediately told there was insufficient space in the memory, and had the option of installing to SD card or installing a smaller area.
I decided to install Western Europe only to the device only, via the advanced option.
The SD card was still in the device, so I was interested to see whether the new maps would go to the card or the int memory - They have gone to the Zumo's memory and the SD card is empty.
The only mapping now showing on Basecamp is CN Europe NT 2015.20.
At least I have got rid of the 2014 mapping, but it still leaves the issue that you cannot install the whole of Europe to the Zumo - I don't know if this will create an issue if for some reason I wanted to load the whole of Europe on the SD card.
Next step is to create some routes on Basecamp and see if they transfer OK to the Zumo.

Thanks for all the advice.
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It will share data between the device & the card. When it offers the option of installing to SD card it is only making up for shortfall of memory on the device but will still install to the device.

On mine I choose the option of SD card due to insufficient memory on the device & it installed about halve the map on the device & the other halve on the SD card ( they are like this from new)

A brand new 660 now comes fitted with a 4 gb card due to the maps being larger than 4gb which is the limit available on this device.
 
iand46 said:
It will share data between the device & the card. When it offers the option of installing to SD card it is only making up for shortfall of memory on the device but will still install to the device.

On mine I choose the option of SD card due to insufficient memory on the device & it installed about halve the map on the device & the other halve on the SD card ( they are like this from new)


A brand new 660 now comes fitted with a 4 gb card due to the maps being larger than 4gb which is the limit available on this device.
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I have now done a further couple of routes on Basecamp and uploaded to the Zumo. When I disconnected and turned on the Zumo, it told me the routes had been done on different mapping & did I want to re-calculate - I said no.
Presumably this is because Basecamp has the whole of Europe mapping , but the Zumo only has part of Europe? (the 2014 maps appear to have gone from both).
 
There are two possible reasons:

(1) You have plotted a route on your computer that crosses over between the two sets of maps on your device. The two sets of maps on your device are, I think:

(a) Those detailed map tiles you installed

(b) The undetailed base map that sits beneath those map tiles you didn't install

If you install ALL the detailed map tiles, not just some, the problem may well go away.

(B) You have installed the full 2015 mapset onto your computer. However, it's quite possible that the old 2014 version is still there too; Garmin Express does not remove it by default. Check that you are not creating a route on your computer using the old maps, then sending it to a device with the new maps. That may solve your problem, too.


Report back, either way.


PS Why do you have an aversion to recalculation on import to your device? All it is trying to do is match one route, created on one set of maps, into a set of roads on another map.
 
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