Bumpkin
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You need to recalculate the route. Open the route properties dialogue and there should be a recalculate button along the bottom.
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The Grey One
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Luddites broke machinery because the feared for their jobs. Hardly the same level as the Mapsource, Basecamp debate. Just because something is new does not automatically make it better. Garmin have tried to make one system for everyone, walkers, cyclists, bikers and car drivers with Basecamp and ended up proving the truth of the saying "Jack of al trades and master of none"
Basecamp was also launched in a very unfinished state, granted it has got better but I don't find it offer me any advantages over Mapsource. But then I don't think the latest devices offer anything I need in addition to what I have on my ancient 2610. They have become just the same as the car devices just packed in a rugged case. They seem to be going backwards, the latest devices don't have the "avoid seasonal closures" function that proves useful here in the Alps. The 660 works well in the car in winter and will not try to route you over roads that are closed. The latest devices can't distinguish between seasonally closed roads and passes that are kept clear. Yes they have lots of fancy "Apps" to satisfy those brought up on smartphones but in terms of helping me enjoy riding a bike where I want to go they add nothing.
I have to use Basecamp on a daily basis for creating and downloading routes to the new generation of devices. I still prefer to create route in Mapsource and like the way the routes are saved which makes it easy to import into itn converter for TomTom routes. I live in hope that by the time I can no longer use Basecamp, Garmin will have sacked their developers and turned Basecamp into something that actually improves on what went before.
John
Understand your general point on this, but just to let you know that cyclists often use the "Garmin Connect" system for route planning and keeping track of training data. This is web based and much easier to use for routes than Baeecamp. It doesn't have all the whistles and bells like trip planning, but it's an excellent resource which works very well.
It also used to work with the Nav IV but now has been changed so it doesn't.
I'll keep trying with Basecamp as it's definitely the way Garmin are going and I'm hoping the effort will pay dividends in the end!
The Grey One
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And for the same reason downloading a route from Google or whatever does not mean you will get what you see on the screen. As with opening a route in Basecamp all you get are the fixed points. The device will recalculate according to the preferences the user has set.
John
Point taken
I have never used map source so I do not know if it was good or bad and I accept that basecamp could be improved some what but it does work and for me works well. If the effort is put in early it becomes second nature using it for route planning and as said it's what we have.
There are plenty of programmes out there to convert to Tom Tom but if Tom tom users can't do their own route planning they should have bought Garmin
I'll need to check this, as I'm pretty sure I got exactly the same route as Google had planned using the system outlined in my first post (provided avoidances were turned off). It seemed to have lots of dots on the route, which I guess are shaping points and these we're dictating the same route as the google planner.
I'll double check later and report back!
The Grey One
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Please do. Mapsource creates lots of points long a route but the later Garmin ignore them and only take via points and waypoints. These are what make up a .gpx file and are what are transferred to the device. Hence the recalculating, here in the Alps you usually want to avoid unmade roads as there are numerous tracks that the device will otherwise send you down. Because of the way my routes are used I set avoidances to "Avoid Motorways", and "Avoid unmade roads", also unless people like the idea of putting the bike on the train through the mountains I set it to "Avoid ferries" This is because lots of folk wander off the route to explore something interesting and the device then re calculates. Having no preferences set would mean the route would be cut short s the device would simply seect the fastest way back here. Most people I find are not experts in using Sat Nav so I need to make it as simple and fool proof as possible.
Any system that forced the device to go exactly as planned would be very interesting.
John
See my post in wappings thread about transfer preferences as doing it that way should in theory leave a clean route that the device will follow slave like so as long as it has been plotted accurately in base camp you have a solution
The Grey One
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Does not work in practice I am afraid unless you plot enough points that the device has no choice. I guess if you are doing route planning for yourself using the same device every time you will soon learn what works. I have to transfer routes to everything from 2610s to Nav Vs. I find different models need more points on the routes to esure they work correctly. And you have to cope with mapping errors. For instance all Garmin maps show part of the Nockalmstrasse as "unpaved road" Those of you who know it will agree that it is anything but unmade. And using Google maps would only make that worse, there are so many errors in this error on these.
As for using Sat Navs I find most people barely know how to turn the bloody things on. At least half of our guests have never even looked at preferences let alone played with them. Many devices have never had their software updated from new. I spend a lot of time talking to people and guiding them into actually using their Sat Navs to guide them on a touring rather than direct route. At least half have never transferred a route let alone followed one.
John
Thanks John and Redrick, good points and interesting discussion. Will investigate for myself after I've burnt the dinner on the BBQ and put the ankle biters to bed! 
I am completely new to sat nav systems, with this sat nav 5 being my first use of them and to be honest I find Basecamp does seem a bit overwhelming to the novice. Although can see it is a comprehensive system.
I seem to be able to get some routes done, but does seem to be right niggley and not sure if that is my lack of knowledge or it just takes a bit of effort / practice.
I have tried looking for some on-line tutorials or such like but no joy.
Is there anything anyone would like to recommend I could take a look at?
thanks.
Meantime I will go make use of the comments above.
I seem to be able to get some routes done, but does seem to be right niggley and not sure if that is my lack of knowledge or it just takes a bit of effort / practice.
I have tried looking for some on-line tutorials or such like but no joy.
Is there anything anyone would like to recommend I could take a look at?
thanks.
Meantime I will go make use of the comments above.
iand46
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Just type Garmin BaseCamp into YouTube search, there's dozens.
You would be amazed at the combinations I put into google.
Feck , now head held in shame - I did not put "Garmin Basecamp" in the search.
This does not bode well for me when I try using the actual system.
thanks
Feck , now head held in shame
- I did not put "Garmin Basecamp" in the search.This does not bode well for me when I try using the actual system.
thanks
Cook1e
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Go here: http://www.ukgser.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?550-BaseCamp-Software
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OK John and Redrick, just reporting back on what I found when I tried this again today.
First off I created a route in Google maps between the Best Western in Dinant and the Schloss Edeshein and I asked it to avoid toll roads and motorways. What I got back was a suggested route of 223 miles across a good mixture of roads.
I then went into Basecamp and did similar and this is where it gets interesting and depends on the avoidances you have in place on Basecamp. On feature type avoidances I have toll roads, u-turns, and car pool lanes selected to avoid. On road type avoidances I started with nothing ticked and got a direct route on the autobahns. I then selected avoid interstates and major highways and got a better route but one which headed north of the google suggestion and came in at 283 miles. Whichever way I cut the avoidances I couldn't find a way to get a close match to the google suggestion.
Ok so now I went throughout the process I laid out in my first post and uploaded the google route into base camp. You then get a grey track which exactly follows the suggested google route. Then I simply highlighted it and converted to a route and got pretty much 99% match with the original google selection coming in at 224 miles. The only minor difference this time is that Basecamp has split it into two sections for some reason I can't work out.
So there you go, it would seem that by doing the upload from google as suggested puts a track into Basecamp which you can then convert to be an almost identical match. The only thing I haven't done as yet is test it for real using the Nav V!
Hope this helps
Just one thing further - it you untick avoid u-turns Basecamp suggested route comes down to 242 and is a closer match. I think Wapping spotted that selecting this can prevent you from going down roads with hairpins a while back and I had forgotten about it 
Still, hopefully the principle of being able to follow almost exactly a route suggested in google maps will be useful for some!
Still, hopefully the principle of being able to follow almost exactly a route suggested in google maps will be useful for some!
That seems to me like an awfully complicated way of creating a route !
Here is what i do ( in Basecamp)
I create a new list (right click in LH menu )
I mark my start point (usually home) with a way pont that I change the symbol and name for i. e i change it to a house and call it home.
i then mark my destination the same
then click file, new route and drag start and finish point into the prompt box
Dependant on your routing preferences this will create a route for you which you either like or not. if not use the eraser tool to rub it out then use the insert tool to add the route you want bit at a time using the zoom and scroll facility. If using a MAC you can just drag the route where you like
Then as previously posted make sure that in device transfer (edit,options, device transfer) tick the top three boxes) this will transfer 2 routes to your device one of which will have no way or shaping points the other will for if you need to re route.
This to me seems far less complicated than creating in one programme and transfering and converting to another !!
Ok, here's my reasons (rightly or wrongly) for wanting to do it this way at this stage of my Basecamp learning:
It took me less than a minute to get a route in Google which does exactly what I want for my up coming trip - i.e. avoids motorways and tolls. It also has a good mix of twisty roads going through interesting places.
It took me less than two minutes to transfer that route to Basecamp and convert it. So not really that complicated or time consuming, but of course makes me wholly reliant on the routing god of google!
Using Basecamp the the problem I have right now is that the avoidances are set up for the US style of roads (e.g. State, interstate etc.) and I'm finding it difficult to get Basecamp to suggest a route as good as the google one.
So not a major issue as I can do exactly what you have suggested (and I have done this for routes in the UK) and simply sit there and drag the route about a bit and hope I don't do fall foul to putting the way point on the wrong side of the road and get sent up some side road to do a u-turn!
However, this is my first trip abroad on a motorbike for nearly 20 years (yes sad I know) and I don't really have much experience of what the different categories of road will be like to ride on. I also have 14 routes to plan in a short period of time and I'm not sure my skills are quite enough to sit there and meticulously plan them all to the detail required.
So given how quickly I can get a suggested route on google which seems to be a good balance of mileage avoiding tolls and motorways and throws in good twisty roads, this just seems to be the best interim solution until I can get more hours on Basecamp and fully understand how to use it to do exactly what I want.
It took me less than a minute to get a route in Google which does exactly what I want for my up coming trip - i.e. avoids motorways and tolls. It also has a good mix of twisty roads going through interesting places.
It took me less than two minutes to transfer that route to Basecamp and convert it. So not really that complicated or time consuming, but of course makes me wholly reliant on the routing god of google!
Using Basecamp the the problem I have right now is that the avoidances are set up for the US style of roads (e.g. State, interstate etc.) and I'm finding it difficult to get Basecamp to suggest a route as good as the google one.
So not a major issue as I can do exactly what you have suggested (and I have done this for routes in the UK) and simply sit there and drag the route about a bit and hope I don't do fall foul to putting the way point on the wrong side of the road and get sent up some side road to do a u-turn!
However, this is my first trip abroad on a motorbike for nearly 20 years (yes sad I know) and I don't really have much experience of what the different categories of road will be like to ride on. I also have 14 routes to plan in a short period of time and I'm not sure my skills are quite enough to sit there and meticulously plan them all to the detail required.
So given how quickly I can get a suggested route on google which seems to be a good balance of mileage avoiding tolls and motorways and throws in good twisty roads, this just seems to be the best interim solution until I can get more hours on Basecamp and fully understand how to use it to do exactly what I want.
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