F800 GSA ("A is for Adventure")
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mechcanico lee
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chad
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oh yeah them proper off road bikes
i once knew of a chap who slung some knoblys on a 6oo bandit and ragged the tits off it offroad and some so called "proper" offroad bikes couldnt live with it
so i guess its all about the nutter at the controls
everywherevirtually
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what we are talking about here is the fuel tankoh yeah giving the 800 or i assume the 650 that kind of range makes them an even more serious touring machine ive always felt the 650s and 800s only downfall was the tank range.
problem now solved,and i bet a new bike with that tank most likely still comes in under the price of a 1200ADV
No it makes them heavy and unmanageable and only suitable for riding trails. If you have to cross a river or rough off road section where you will invariably have to pick it up the last thing you want is a 300 kilo bike.
If you look at people who actually go off the beaten track and not some graded US trail you will see most of them stick a £10 petrol can or two on the back of the bike or get lighter bikes with a bigger fuel tank which in part negates some of the fuel weight.
Look at Ewan and Charley. Their bikes were so heavy they actually broke the rear subframe
Any video that perpetuates the myth that you need half a tonne of stuff is wrong.
Go light, go fast should be the moto. Like the guys below from giantloop.com who also camped out in the American wilds with a fraction of the weight.
My ultimate point is... a heavy bike is not fun to ride. I know I've made those mistakes.
everywherevirtually
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So what they are running a business of course they are going to promote their productswhat a way to do it , promoting your business by going out doing what you love
There is promoting product and there is saying you can't do proper off road unless you have all that stuff and in my view that is misleading. If you want to overload yourself be my guest but we should be promoting adventure motorcycling and saying to people it doesn't matter what you ride you can still do it. You dont need a £12000 motorcycle and 100kg of stuff
And North my friend you have just proved my point
Dean
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A is for Adventure!
Surely your missing the point A is for Adventure to be had by different people in different ways and surely different bikes have different strong points is only one side of the story the other is you got to admit there’s a lot of very very talented men and woman out there (reading this maybe) that would run rings around many people on practically any bike, but does it matter No and would they bother replying to this No.
I have watched both videos and can say they both looked fun neither was better ide love to experience it (you do realise that in both the bridge was within 1 mile but hey it’s fun to get wet) A is for adventure.
All bikes surely have their own adventure ability and suitability depending on what you do with them surely there’s the Guys and Gals with other half’s or friends that want to pillion the world auto com fully loaded. some want to travel solo lightweight some do tame trails some do off the beaten track some just do it on 400's some do Dakar with support vehicles. Some people take pictures of them surfing on their bikes without even leaving home or video themselves in Tesco’s car parks in the snow. (its ok I won’t tell anyone
) also some onto ride there bike through a muddy puddly then lay it down gently and photograph it to say oh look at me, then others want to stay on tarmac and bling there bike to be like a tank its all gravey what ever floats your boat none is better than another! But I’m not judging anyone. (I just think prick but say TUT)
I don’t think anyone says you have to carry half a tonne of stuff it’s how your mind reads it! You’re a big boy now if you don’t like it doesn’t watch it! Ok your ugly and your mother dresses you funny but that a different topic!
A is for adventure relax and enjoy your ride!
It’s good to see you have both agreed which is a big point you do not have to spend £12,000 to get Adventure as for promoting your product doesn’t every one in some way or another (but there not saying you must do this or buy into it you have an option). If there not promoting a product, book, film, calendar, themselves, Saddle bags (in the case of Giant loop)
I could go on but I will save that for your reply (you know your thinking about it) I will leave you with this thought you wouldn’t get me on one of those girlie bikes I think TT make a Dolly basket for the front!
Not to be sexist ladies I tried to find an Action man one but they were all locked in their garages owners drooling over Adventure Videos!!
Well I know the Polar bear rides a F658GSA so if any of you need a tow let me know (when you get out of that River) talking about rivers Remember this Denile is not just a river in Egypt. i'm here to help! and remember A is for adventure relax and enjoy the ride!
"You my friends are skating on very thin Ice and when it breaks i wont be underneath to catch you"
Dean. Nod to all
No it makes them heavy and unmanageable and only suitable for riding trails. If you have to cross a river or rough off road section where you will invariably have to pick it up the last thing you want is a 300 kilo bike.
If you look at people who actually go off the beaten track and not some graded US trail you will see most of them stick a £10 petrol can or two on the back of the bike or get lighter bikes with a bigger fuel tank which in part negates some of the fuel weight.
Look at Ewan and Charley. Their bikes were so heavy they actually broke the rear subframe
Any video that perpetuates the myth that you need half a tonne of stuff is wrong.
Go light, go fast should be the moto. Like the guys below from giantloop.com who also camped out in the American wilds with a fraction of the weight.
My ultimate point is... a heavy bike is not fun to ride. I know I've made those mistakes.
Surely your missing the point A is for Adventure to be had by different people in different ways and surely different bikes have different strong points is only one side of the story the other is you got to admit there’s a lot of very very talented men and woman out there (reading this maybe) that would run rings around many people on practically any bike, but does it matter No and would they bother replying to this No.
I have watched both videos and can say they both looked fun neither was better ide love to experience it (you do realise that in both the bridge was within 1 mile but hey it’s fun to get wet) A is for adventure.
All bikes surely have their own adventure ability and suitability depending on what you do with them surely there’s the Guys and Gals with other half’s or friends that want to pillion the world auto com fully loaded. some want to travel solo lightweight some do tame trails some do off the beaten track some just do it on 400's some do Dakar with support vehicles. Some people take pictures of them surfing on their bikes without even leaving home or video themselves in Tesco’s car parks in the snow. (its ok I won’t tell anyone
) also some onto ride there bike through a muddy puddly then lay it down gently and photograph it to say oh look at me, then others want to stay on tarmac and bling there bike to be like a tank its all gravey what ever floats your boat none is better than another! But I’m not judging anyone. (I just think prick but say TUT) I don’t think anyone says you have to carry half a tonne of stuff it’s how your mind reads it! You’re a big boy now if you don’t like it doesn’t watch it! Ok your ugly and your mother dresses you funny but that a different topic!
A is for adventure relax and enjoy your ride!
There is promoting product and there is saying you can't do proper off road unless you have all that stuff and in my view that is misleading. If you want to overload yourself be my guest but we should be promoting adventure motorcycling and saying to people it doesn't matter what you ride you can still do it. You dont need a £12000 motorcycle and 100kg of stuff
And North my friend you have just proved my point
It’s good to see you have both agreed which is a big point you do not have to spend £12,000 to get Adventure as for promoting your product doesn’t every one in some way or another (but there not saying you must do this or buy into it you have an option). If there not promoting a product, book, film, calendar, themselves, Saddle bags (in the case of Giant loop)
I could go on but I will save that for your reply (you know your thinking about it) I will leave you with this thought you wouldn’t get me on one of those girlie bikes I think TT make a Dolly basket for the front!
Not to be sexist ladies I tried to find an Action man one but they were all locked in their garages owners drooling over Adventure Videos!!
Well I know the Polar bear rides a F658GSA so if any of you need a tow let me know (when you get out of that River) talking about rivers Remember this Denile is not just a river in Egypt. i'm here to help! and remember A is for adventure relax and enjoy the ride!
"You my friends are skating on very thin Ice and when it breaks i wont be underneath to catch you"
Dean. Nod to all
Sooty09
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The word "Adventure" to some conjours up images of traveling round the world on rough tracks, and all "Adventure" bikes must have a huge range and off road potential. This is mainly due to the image invented by BMW and KTMs advertising men and reinforced by companies such as Touratech selling Adventure accessories.
Sorry to disappoint lads and lasses, the following statement is the dictionary (in this case wikipedia) definition.
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An adventure is an activity that comprises risky, dangerous or uncertain experiences. The term is more popularly used in reference to physical activities that have some potential for danger, such as skydiving, mountain climbing, and extreme sports. The term is broad enough to refer to any enterprise that is potentially fraught with risk, such as a business venture or a major life undertaking. An adventurer is a person who bases their lifestyle or their fortunes on adventurous acts.
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Adventure is 100% in your own imagination and what you want it to be.
I have ridden an adventure on and off road in Goa, India. Dirt roads, bumpy broken roads etc, and that was on a standard Indian Enfield 350
460 Lb no suspension or brakes but great fun. Any bike can provide an Adventure, some just make it a bit easier. Adding long range tanks and accessories just give your imagination a bit more to play with. How many BMW R1200GSA riders ever take long world trips, or need a 450 mile tank range in Europe? not many I suspect but its the ultimate imagination feeder that it could.
Im very happy with my F800GS because it could do a world tour, but untill then is very good at shopping, taking me to work and proving very capable at touring Europe and taking me on short camping expeditions.
Sorry to disappoint lads and lasses, the following statement is the dictionary (in this case wikipedia) definition.
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An adventure is an activity that comprises risky, dangerous or uncertain experiences. The term is more popularly used in reference to physical activities that have some potential for danger, such as skydiving, mountain climbing, and extreme sports. The term is broad enough to refer to any enterprise that is potentially fraught with risk, such as a business venture or a major life undertaking. An adventurer is a person who bases their lifestyle or their fortunes on adventurous acts.
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Adventure is 100% in your own imagination and what you want it to be.
I have ridden an adventure on and off road in Goa, India. Dirt roads, bumpy broken roads etc, and that was on a standard Indian Enfield 350
460 Lb no suspension or brakes but great fun. Any bike can provide an Adventure, some just make it a bit easier. Adding long range tanks and accessories just give your imagination a bit more to play with. How many BMW R1200GSA riders ever take long world trips, or need a 450 mile tank range in Europe? not many I suspect but its the ultimate imagination feeder that it could.
Im very happy with my F800GS because it could do a world tour, but untill then is very good at shopping, taking me to work and proving very capable at touring Europe and taking me on short camping expeditions.
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Oooo the term Adventure Riding
chad
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you make a good point , some people like to take the kitchen sink
My ultimate point is... a heavy bike is not fun to ride. I know I've made those mistakes.
ok lets forget about all the shit they thrown on their bikes
then you would have an F800GS with a big tank,throw the gear on it that the chaps in the pick above have and i bet it would go anywhere the smaller bikes go
lets face it the Fseries are quite light not as light as the above bikes but not a great deal in it
and hey whats this
those three bikes have ****in great tanks bolted on themmost peeps dont have the monies to run a road bike that tours very big distances and an offroad weapon
but if they can make a big distance bike with decent off road abilities then hats off to them
it would be nice to know how much the TT tank weighs as it only increases the bikes Total fuel capacity to 36lts it is fugly though
chad
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freeloader
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it would be nice to know how much the TT tank weighs as it only increases the bikes Total fuel capacity to 36lts it is fugly though
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, though, although I've only seen that tank from one angle.
However, it may only be 36 litres total capacity, but that's more than double its standard quoted usable capacity of 16 litres. I'm getting about 200 miles to a tankful so it'd give me a range of 450 miles, I'd be happy with that.
But at the bargain TT price of £999
, I'll take a big jerry can instead.
chad
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it may only be 36 litres total capacity, but that's more than double its standard quoted usable capacity of 16 litres. I'm getting about 200 miles to a tankful so it'd give me a range of 450 miles, I'd be happy with that.
But at the bargain TT price of £999
36ltrs was my point
you dont really want to be carrying any more than that.but TBH all BMW needed to do was give the F800 a 22ltr tank and it would be perfect compromise of weight and ability
999sovs big big pennys
jerry can it is then
Cole
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Tank Size
I think you want to be careful before deciding you NEED a bigger tank. I was in Mongolia this year on my X-Challenge, which is probably 5-10% more economical than the F800 ... but not a lot in it. I had problems with my auxilliary tank so disconnected it and ended up just buying 3 litres of spare fuel in a 50p plastic jerry can I picked up in Ulaanbaatar, to use when my 10 litre stock X-Challenge tank ran out.
Only I never used my 3 spare litres. The 10 litre tank was enough to cross Mongolia. So the 16 litres on the F800 definately is enough. There will be very very few routes in this world where you cant get fuel within 300km
I think you want to be careful before deciding you NEED a bigger tank. I was in Mongolia this year on my X-Challenge, which is probably 5-10% more economical than the F800 ... but not a lot in it. I had problems with my auxilliary tank so disconnected it and ended up just buying 3 litres of spare fuel in a 50p plastic jerry can I picked up in Ulaanbaatar, to use when my 10 litre stock X-Challenge tank ran out.
Only I never used my 3 spare litres. The 10 litre tank was enough to cross Mongolia. So the 16 litres on the F800 definately is enough. There will be very very few routes in this world where you cant get fuel within 300km
freeloader
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36ltrs was my point
but TBH all BMW needed to do was give the F800 a 22ltr tank and it would be perfect compromise of weight and ability
999sovs big big pennys
22 litres would be great, if they did it - that's 275 miles in my money.
Oh and my 27 litre jerry can cost me just over £30 so it wasn't a hard choice to make (although I'd bought it before the TT one appeared on their website
).
freeloader
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There's apparently a 300 (or 400?) mile stretch somewhere along the NW African coast where fuel isn't available, which since I'm on the Calum's Road Gambia trip in January, is where my concern lies...
chad
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22 litres would be great, if they did it - that's 275 miles in my money.
Oh and my 27 litre jerry can cost me just over £30 so it wasn't a hard choice to make (although I'd bought it before the TT one appeared on their website
i suppose you could seal up the panniers fit fuel taps etc thats going to give some range
freeloader
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Going to make the tent a bit smelly though...
mechcanico lee
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There's apparently a 300 (or 400?) mile stretch somewhere along the NW African coast where fuel isn't available, which since I'm on the Calum's Road Gambia trip in January, is where my concern lies...
For that particular trip just take some plastic petrol cans, you dont have to spend loads of money on fancy fuel tanks, i did own a 1200gsa and if you filled it up the weight of the bike was just to much for the slow speed manouvering stuff (like the 1200s are not heavy enough without a stack of fuel on board !)so i found i wouldnt fill it rite up anyhow
Like another post says theres not many places where you carnt get fuel in 300km and if you do venture out into the middle of nowhere plan ahead for that case .Enjoy the ride
freeloader
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For that particular trip just take some plastic petrol cans, you dont have to spend loads of money on fancy fuel tanks, i did own a 1200gsa and if you filled it up the weight of the bike was just to much for the slow speed manouvering stuff (like the 1200s are not heavy enough without a stack of fuel on board !)so i found i wouldnt fill it rite up anyhow
Like another post says theres not many places where you carnt get fuel in 300km and if you do venture out into the middle of nowhere plan ahead for that case .Enjoy the ride
See post no. 35 above - already bought a cheap 27l fuel can from a yacht chandler, fairly slab sided and won't get filled until we reach the start of the "empty quarter"
. If I'm very lucky I might find someone at the other end about to make the trip back and I'll sell it to them. 
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