F800GS

LoggyDriver

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Hi all.

I've been looking at buying a F800GS for a while now.

I've done hours of reading various forums about the bike. There are lots of positives and also lots negatives that I've read about them.

The bike will be used to commute 50 miles a day in all weathers (apart from snow) and it needs to be economical, well built and bombproof. Will the F800GS be up to the job? There must be many riders with this bike that use them all year? Your opinions and advice would be very much appreciated.

The most common negatives seem to be that a lot of owners seem to have had new engines on warranty. This seems to be the most worrying aspect considering these bikes are supposed to be "Round - the - World" adventure bikes. They also seem to suffer from cutting out (North Oxford Garage say they have not heard about this problem) and chain problems. I'm not too bothered about the latter two as I know the chain problem has been addressed. Not sure if the cutting out problem is still going on. The main barrier to ownership seems to be this engine problem. I know some owners have done good milages without any problems, but there seems to be far too many engine replacements indicating a design problem. I want to believe that these engines are good for 150,000 miles. Bikes like the XRV750, VFR and others seem to be able to manage big mileages.

I've been up to NOG again today. They have a nice 09 reg bike in stock, but again, reading other posts on this forum, the 10 reg has a dual cam engine that is supposed to be better. So should I wait until spring until people are trading in their 10/60 reg bikes for the new reg so that I can afford a decent 10/60 reg knowing it has the twin cam engine, or do I buy now in the middle of winter??? The 09 reg is a decent spec but doesn't have ABS. I asked for a price on a new bike and with the extras it comes to over £9,000, Ein sehr teures Fahrrad!!

As this is my first bike in years I also need to buy insurance, helmet, gloves, boots and riding gear. Add the bike and I will be spending mucho pounds. What are your opinions?

Cheers
 
Have you thought about the F650GS basically same engine but detuned. For road work (with a bit of off road) it is ideal.

I had the choice of F800GS or F650G but the smaller front wheel (quicker turning for road use), the cast wheels, and the big saving in price swayed me to the F650GS, and no regrets.
 
Loggydriver,

Like you I have just returned to biking after many years and had to buy the full kit.....Ouch!

That said I went for the best quality kit that I could afford and I'm so pleased I did as like you I commute on the bike 50 miles a day into London.

I must say the bike is great fun to ride and I'm enjoying the commute now which previously in the car I hated.

I can't say much about the engine as I've only had the bike 6 weeks or so, others on here can clarify any issues there.

I went for the comfort package and I'm again very happy with this decision as although I thought the heated grips were a gimmick (How wrong could I be, there amazing).

Also with regards to buying new kit, I bought all mine at Hein Gerricke's which did a good discount on the package on top of the 15% off they give if you are an AA member, so I got a good couple of hundreds of pounds off the rrp.

Cheers

Josh
 
I do the same commute, 43 miles round trip Kent/London, every day all year round - including snow!

I came from 6/7 years on a boring but bullet proof and extremely reliable Transalp. I did a lot of reading on various forums and like you came across the engine failures. My conclusion was that it is a bit of a myth. Yes, there have been problems but as with many forums the negatives get reported more than the positives. The engines are built by Rotax (I believe) and they have been building aircraft engines for years - they must be fairly reliable!

The other thing that put me off BMW's for years was the servicing costs, but the 800 seems reasonable in that regard. I'll get mine dealer serviced whilst under warranty and then I'll do it myself.

Personally I think that secondhand prices are so attractive (I got a year old bike with 6k miles (like new) for nearly £3k below the new price), that I would not consider buying new. I've never had ABS (mine doesnt have it) and I see it as more to go wrong - so I wouldnt be put off by the lack of it.

I've had mine about a month and absolutely love it - I think its the perfect bike for my needs. You get used to the quirks, BMW indicators, slightly glitchy fuel injection, etc.. The engine (and noise) is a gem.

Go for it! :)

Rich
 
Hi Josh and Rich,

Thank you for your replys.

The bike I've been looking at is an 09 plate Sunset Yellow/Black Satin finish.

Seems like you guys are very happy with your purchases. I've booked a test ride for next Saturday if I'm not working. I'll have a better idea once I've ridden it.

Out of interest what insurance company did you guys go with and where did you buy your bikes?

Cheers

Andy:)
 
Hi Andy,

Mine is an October '09 bike, bought from a guy here on the forum - there's been a few for sale for around six grand (with lots of expensive extras). I wouldn't worry about buying privately if you get a bike still in warranty.

I've been with ebike insurance for years, very easy to add/change bikes - all done online. I dont think I've ever had a claim so no experience with claims.

I've come from litre sports bikes so always found the Transalp a bit gutless (I ended up buying a Fireblade and Monster S4 as 2nd summer bikes) - I find the 800 just right, plenty of power, but not so much that you worry about losing your licence every time you ride! I no longer need a 2nd bike..

Good luck.

Rich
 
+ 1 :thumb2 for the F 800 gs and ebike insurance.

Bought my march 09 800 with 5k miles on for less than £5500 private sale this year with full luggage,abs ,heated grips,computer,touratech tank bag,centre stand,taller screen 1200 gs hand guards.

Great fuel economy and in my opinion it's a fantastic bike.

Have been with ebike for 4/5 years now,and as retskcid seid that it is very easy to change your policy on line.

Good luck
 
Got an F800GS, which is great.

As for insurance, I wouldn't go near ebike/evan insurance EVER again. My partner, who was (still is until next renewal) insured with evan, was involved in an accident (not her fault). Evan were less than helpful, obstructive at times, and almost impossible to speak to over the phone - plus it was an expensive number to call. The overlying impression I have of e-anything insurance is that once they have their money, they couldn't care less.

For a broader view than mine alone, do a search on this site for "ebike", I'll say no more...
 
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Thanks for that Freeloader.

Gary, sounds like you got an absolute steal there what with all the extras.

I'm going to wait until after Christmas to get mine now.
 
If you want a bargain new, deal with the purchase in the last two weeks of December - not only will the dealers want to shift stock numbers in these lean times, but also VAT goes up in Jan..
 
If you want a bargain new, deal with the purchase in the last two weeks of December - not only will the dealers want to shift stock numbers in these lean times, but also VAT goes up in Jan..




Yeah, they have a nice white 10 reg for sale, ex demo. The guy told me that if I bought it after 1st Jan then there would be the extra VAT to pay. I asked for a price new.

The retail on a new bike is £7,206.26

If you add Comfort Package (Heated Grips, ABS, Centre Stand) £885
Computer £145 - LED Indicators £95 - Alarm £190. The total goes up to £8,521.26

They then charge you £209 OTR charges, Road Tax £70, Registration £55 and Delivery £293.75

The total cost of a new bike is then £9149.01

As soon as you ride out of the show room you've lost £2,000. I'd love to buy brand new but I couldn't justify the price.

I think second hand is the best way forward, but I'd like to get one that's one owner from new and has been looked after.

Do you think more bikes will come onto the market just before the new reg change?
 
Loggydriver,

That may be the price rrp but in reality you are not going to offer that.

I got the same spec bike as you quote with the exception of the alarm and paid in the region of £7400 brand new as I kept the bargaining going for weeks and kept talking about buying a pre-reg bike instead and eventually the dealer matched the pre reg price :thumb2

Yes I've still lost money due to depreciation, but not too bad I thought.

Josh
 
Loggydriver,

That may be the price rrp but in reality you are not going to offer that.

I got the same spec bike as you quote with the exception of the alarm and paid in the region of £7400 brand new as I kept the bargaining going for weeks and kept talking about buying a pre-reg bike instead and eventually the dealer matched the pre reg price :thumb2

Yes I've still lost money due to depreciation, but not too bad I thought.

Josh





Hello Josh,

I'm not to good at bargaining, I'm certainly not a Dom Littlewood. Wow, that's a great price. They have a 10 reg 4,000 mile bike for £7,499, so you done VERY well there mate.

What dealer did you get yours from? I've been going to North Oxford Garage. Maybe I'm looking to "enthusiastic". I'm in no rush to buy one as the weather isn't the best, but as it costs me £240 a month in fuel just to get to work, so the sooner I buy one the sooner my fuel bill goes down... :beerjug:
 
Careful fella

Josh,

I currently own a GSA 12 the less said about that the better. I am giving serious thought to the 8 as a replacement. I have sought out the opinion of profession (BMW) mechanics. I have been warned that the plumbing is problematic and not up to the job. I have met a two blokes with blown engines, one of whom was about 100 miles east of Casablanca. He was not happy. The other was in the Riff mountains. He had the raging ache. Thats two bikes in the space of a couple of hundred miles in three weeks. I am not blindly slagging them off I think they are a stunning looking bit of kit, but, keep your guard up. I would recommend you pop into your local dealer, put your cards on the table and chat the mechanics up not the the sales staff. They should give you an honest professional appraisal. Over and above that if you like it buy it. You will be dead for a very long time and why waste time pontificating when you can crack on and make all the mistakes you want................

Regardless enjoy
 
Josh,

I currently own a GSA 12 the less said about that the better. I am giving serious thought to the 8 as a replacement. I have sought out the opinion of profession (BMW) mechanics. I have been warned that the plumbing is problematic and not up to the job. I have met a two blokes with blown engines, one of whom was about 100 miles east of Casablanca. He was not happy. The other was in the Riff mountains. He had the raging ache. Thats two bikes in the space of a couple of hundred miles in three weeks. I am not blindly slagging them off I think they are a stunning looking bit of kit, but, keep your guard up. I would recommend you pop into your local dealer, put your cards on the table and chat the mechanics up not the the sales staff. They should give you an honest professional appraisal. Over and above that if you like it buy it. You will be dead for a very long time and why waste time pontificating when you can crack on and make all the mistakes you want................

Regardless enjoy





Which bike are you refering too, the 800 or 1200 regarding the plumbing?
 


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