Filling up the GS

tunnie

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This maybe basic to some, but car is easy, just slot it in, wait for the click.

But with the bike, filling it with petrol, is it best to do it on centre stand? I have been sitting on the bike doing it, (pay at pump) now with tank bag, have been doing it on the side stand, but as it leans over a fair bit, i don't think i get as much fuel in. How many people re-fuel on the centre stand?
 
This maybe basic to some, but car is easy, just slot it in, wait for the click.

But with the bike, filling it with petrol, is it best to do it on centre stand? I have been sitting on the bike doing it, (pay at pump) now with tank bag, have been doing it on the side stand, but as it leans over a fair bit, i don't think i get as much fuel in. How many people re-fuel on the centre stand?

Me :thumb
 
Center stand every time for me. With a bungecthomy and the filler neck drilled I get a tad over 22l in in no time :thumb

Being short, I just don't fancy filling up on tip toes.
 

Another silly question, do you rely on the back pressure to 'click' the pump, i am always bit nervous of it splashing fuel all over the tank. With the car its just bumper, and don't mind.

I have been keeping the nozzle at an angle so i can see the fuel going in once it gets near full
 
I usually hold the filler nozzle just off the bottom of the filler tube in the tank then watch and pour. I have modified the tank though!

Remove the 'rubber' thingy from the bottom of the filler tube (easily done with just a finger). Then drill a couple of holes on the filler tube - near the top. And you have an extra litre or so to add to the tank.

There must be a thread on this already.
 
Another silly question, do you rely on the back pressure to 'click' the pump, i am always bit nervous of it splashing fuel all over the tank. With the car its just bumper, and don't mind.

I have been keeping the nozzle at an angle so i can see the fuel going in once it gets near full

I've had fuel over the bike before, fill and check

I used to fill up sat on my bike, but getting your gonads soaked in petrol spillages isn't great believe me! :eek:
 
Another silly question, do you rely on the back pressure to 'click' the pump, i am always bit nervous of it splashing fuel all over the tank. With the car its just bumper, and don't mind.

I have been keeping the nozzle at an angle so i can see the fuel going in once it gets near full


There is probably a thread on here somewhere about "how to breathe", too,probably next to the one that is all about mummy wiping your arse!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

(joking:D)
 
I put the 650 on side stand, have to get off the bike sas the tank is under yer arse :D
 
Just say when, baaaass

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Several different questions here. Let's try to take them one by one.

but car is easy, just slot it in, wait for the click.

That is because cars are designed differently. If you could put the fuel tank into, say, the panniers of a motorcycle you could do the same thing.

is it best to do it on centre stand?

There is no 'best' or 'worse' rule written down anywhere.

I have been sitting on the bike doing it, (pay at pump)

You can do it that way if you like. You can also do it that way when you pay at the kiosk, too.

now with tank bag, have been doing it on the side stand,

I guess that you are taking the tank bag off?

OK

You can now either leave it on the sidestand and fill it, or, lift it onto it's centre stand.

but as it leans over a fair bit, i don't think i get as much fuel in.

Liquid (fuel in this case) will always be level; it doesn't run uphill, that is for sure.

You are of course assuming that the complete volume inside the tank fills when the bike is fully vertical. I haven't looked but I think (always a dangerous position) that the 'crown' of the tank never fills, there always being an air gap at the top. No doubt there is a cross-section drawing somewhere.

If I am right, then putting the bike at an angle may well make no significant difference. There is a sticker on KTM's (with their fancy two cap fillers) explaining to owners that the lower tank should be filled slightly less.

As to the difference in volume inserted? There is a reasonably easy way to find out.

Drain the tank to empty. Brim it vertical and measure the amount of fuel poured in. Drain the tank again and measure the amount of fuel poured in, with the bike on the side stand. If the numbers are different, subtract the smaller number from the larger one. That figure will be the exact difference. Repeat two or three times to exclude any possible variables.

As you will rarely (I hope) ever ride the bike to completely empty -thereby leaving yourself potentially stranded in the wide open world - the differnce is probably not significant.

How many people re-fuel on the centre stand?

Run a poll for an accurate assessment. Or watch when you fill up. Either way, it makes little to no odds.

Another silly question, do you rely on the back pressure to 'click' the pump, l

Why not, it's what the pressure switch is there for. You may well notice that some are more sensitive than others.

i am always bit nervous of it splashing fuel all over the tank.

That's good. It also stops fuel pouring onto the garage forecourt, an anti-social and wasteful habit. Fuel is expensive, don't waste it.

With the car its just bumper, and don't mind.

l

See answer above. I am sure nobody wants to think you a slovenly, anti-social car driving fuel filler, so try not to do it, please. Besides being wasteful, fuel is very slippery. You run the real risk of one of your fellow bikers (I love that word) slipping and crashing off or over. I am sure you would not want it to happen to you, when you are in your 'biker' mode?

I have been keeping the nozzle at an angle so i can see the fuel going in once it gets near full

Well, that's a good idea. If you put the bike right up on the centre stand, you can lift the nozzle completely clear of the filler hole and run fuel in. This obviously avoids the safety net of the pressure stop valve (and brings with it the possible danger of going into a daydream about filling methods) meaning that fuel can spill. See above.

But, it means you can brim the tank. This ensures you have put the maximum amount of fuel in. One day, that extra bit may well save your life, who knows.


Of course, if you are very short or struggle to lift the bike onto its centre stand, you will always be stuck with either sitting aside it (possibly at a slight lean) or on its side stand. Rendering all the above interesting, but in your case, irrelevant.

H&S WARNING!......Do take care if sitting astride your bike when filling. Your foot may slip (possibly due to the floor being slippery from spilt fuel, left by anti-social car drivers who do not care about spilling fuel down their bumpers.... and onto the ground....see above). If you tumble off it may well hurt, may well damage your bike, spill fuel and you will look like a tit.

One tip, though, if you are not blessed with many inches. You can sometimes stand on the raised plinth of the petrol pump, giving you that extra height advantage.


One question you have not asked: Do you take your helmet and / or gloves off when filling? But, I leave that one to you.
 
Fair point Wapping. (for once :D).
 
H&S WARNING!......Do take care if sitting astride your bike when filling. Your foot may slip (possibly due to the floor being slippery from spilt fuel, left by anti-social car drivers who do not care about spilling fuel down their bumpers.... and onto the ground....see above). If you tumble off it may well hurt, may well damage your bike, spill fuel and you will look like a tit.

I've seen this happen not so long ago, it was a typical three fuel selection pump, diesel, unleaded and the super unleaded. He was filling up sat on his bike (VFR) in the next instant it was on its side, fuel pissing out of his tank everywhere. He'd lost his footing in all the feckin diesel that had been spilt and not cleaned up. The damage to the bike when we picked it up wasn't to bad.
 
Fair point Wapping. (for once :D).

Fair point? Point, singular?

Are you really a policeman?

There is a wealth of points in the above.

I do hope that others will contribute in the same spirit of biker cooperation, building this into a really useful thread, made into a sticky by Toad.

Why not set the ball rolling? Share your wealth of experience with us, please. Your life as a policeman will no do doubt bring an air of quiet authority to your pronouncements to rival those of the great, MikeP.

The floor is yours. Don't be a shy. What do YOU think is the right or best way to fill a motorbike?
 
I've seen this happen not so long ago, it was a typical three fuel selection pump, diesel, unleaded and the super unleaded. He was filling up sat on his bike (VFR) in the next instant it was on its side, fuel pissing out of his tank everywhere. He'd lost his footing in all the feckin diesel that had been spilt and not cleaned up. The damage to the bike when we picked it up wasn't to bad.

See, tunnie, just as I predicted.

Take care you do not suffer the same unfortunate mishap when perched atride your bike, gazing into the fuel filler hole, pondering on the mysteries of life and biking................and don't let the fuel run down your bumper when filling your car. That way you will avoid (or at least lessen) the risk of tumbling off in your own spillage.
 
One question you have not asked: Do you take your helmet and / or gloves off when filling? But, I leave that one to you.[/QUOTE]

Always remember to take your helmet off, cause if yer non't the fool in the kiosk:confused: will think yer goin' to 'Do One' without paying...........or buy a flip front.

robfin:rob
 
Just a thought, tunnie.

Rather than go to all the trouble draining the tank and measuring, you can check next time you stop for fuel, with or without your tank bag.

Put the bike on it's side stand and fill it. Take a careful note of how much fuel goes in.

Then, carefully, holding onto the fuel line's handle and maybe considering closing the fuel cap (carefully) sit astride the bike at vertical and see if you can get any more fuel in. If so, how much? There is a large part of your answer.

Now, carefully put the fuel line down. Don't put it into the holster or you will waste time. Put the cap on your tank, carefully.

Get off your bike and pull it onto the centre stand. Open the fuel cap again. Can you get any more fuel in? If so, how much? There is the second part of your answer.

Voila, the answers to your question. :thumb2 Or a least a way for your to solve the mystery that is bugging you.

That being said, you may need to repeat the operation a few times to exclude slight sloping of the forecourt and any air pockets having upset the data.

Post the results here.

Your efforts will, once and for all, establish the best - and perhaps, only - way to fill a motorbike. Your place in biker heaven will be assured.

===

PS Of course, having brimmed it vertical, if you then in short order put the bike on its side stand, fuel will possibly pour out of the overflow, over your feet. Which rather negates the whole brimfull operation in the first place.
 


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