fitting S/H clocks

[Tfemark]

Hoping to get some answers or maybe someone knows where etc, just finished building my GS most of which is from a 2007 bike, so has ABS 2, all the electrical components are original to the 2007 bike apart from the clocks, these are S/H as they were missing so sourced a set from a bike of the same year and similar mileage. Now heres the thing, the abs is throwing up a coding issue on my GS911 and apparently its all to do with the clocks needing to be coded to the rest of the control units, but can I get it done? no does anyone know of a dealer that is willing to re code these clocks for me without having to go to the expense of buying new ones?
I should point out that everything is working ok apart from this and the usual fuel gauge lol

 

[patzx12]

I think the clocks are dumb and should work without coding.
I have swapped around 04 - 06 clocks without issue.

 

[JimmyMac]

https://hposkam.nl/en/projecten/

These guys will sort your fuel gauge problems once and for all.

Lots of speedo and clock correction guys up here in Scotland, although I know it's of no use to you.
Just google 'digital speedo correction' and I'm sure you'll find someone local, costs about £80 up here. I put s/h clocks on a 2010 GSA and the local dealership said it could not be paired to the ECU, a guy came from Edinburgh replaced a small chip in the dash and cleared all the lights and set the mileage to the correct number.

My main problem was the mileage on the fitted clock was less than the ECU mileage and kept flashing the digits on the dash.
Good luck

JimmyMac

 

[Tfemark]

I get the same flashing digits, but it has also caused a coding problem with the abs although everything appears to be working ok its this that i want to solve. the stealers won't do it for me as components are S/H.

 

[JimmyMac]

http://www.mileagecorrectionberkshire.com

There you go.

JimmyMac

 

[Tfemark]

Thanks Jimmy I will try them but I still think I will need an accommodating BMW dealer to get the coding sorted so that all my control units are singing from the correct hymn sheet so to speak

 

[ossa eck]

The mileage will flash due to a mismatch in recordered mileage between ecu,s.
Ista will allow matching to the higher of the mileage.
Any mileage correction guy will match the clocks to the correct miles, and write the correct chassis number .
It would have been easy with old clocks as you just swap the eeprom.

 

[Santa-2512]

The clocks are dumb.

There is only one instrument cluster on the 04-08 models

it covers all vairients & optional extras, If you have a GS911 you can make the instrument cluster self test

all the individual icons will light up as the GS unit does it's stuff.

What did you replace elsewhere on the bike - ecu wise?

The mileage is written into the ZFE as well as the IC (instrument cluster)

This is all via the canbus, and is to stop people swapping clocks for lower milage.

I guess the mileage on the IC is higher than the milage store in the ZFE-

The stealer could change it, however, you would need to prove, the ZFE mileage was correct,

I cant see why they are being difficult, they could set the IC & ZFE to show the higher mileage or just zero the IC - which is what most places do

They wont do the lower one, because technically thats clocking

 

[ossa eck]

They can't go lower , even if they wanted too.
No dealer tool has this capability.
BMW use incremental eeproms to prevent clocking.
This doesn't stop manipulating,but it makes it harder.

 

[Steptoe]

Dealers are reluctant to re-set the clocks as it can feck up the bikes ECU.

It can even happen with brand new clocks.

 

[Santa-2512]

Dealers are reluctant to re-set the clocks as it can feck up the bikes ECU.

It can even happen with brand new clocks.

I can confirm that, a friend of mine bought a low milage BMW car... 3 weeks after purchase and poor running it cut out on the way to work.

when he eventually got it running, the speedometer suddenly showed a milage value - way in excess of the supposed low mileage he purchased the car at ...

yup, it had been massaged !

Funny enough it ran as sweet as anything after that albeit with +100k mileage lol

 

[Pukmeister]

I had an issue years ago when I hadn't fully pushed home the multiplug on my clocks. IIRC it was flashing some massively higher mileage, something like 94k on a 13k bike. Reconnecting the plug properly sorted it.

My guess is the ecu talks to the clocks and expects an answer, probably a checksum based on odometer value, if it doesn't get one or gets a different one from that expected it spits the dummy.

 

[Steptoe]

The ECU carries on recording the mileage even when no clocks are fitted.

 

[Tfemark]

The problem is I have built a bike from two bikes, I have V5 for both bikes, the frame and bodywork is from a 2004 bike the rest is from a stolen recovered 2007 bike (all legit) everything electronic control wise is from the 2007 bike except the speedo which I bought ah this is causing the problem

 

[Tfemark]

It’s causing a coding problem with the abs too which is abs 2 all I need is the clocks re coding to the rest of the bike but can’t find a dealer that will do it all they tell me is it has to be a new clock and my argument is if a new one can be coded then surely a sh one can be too? It’s only a computer at the end of the day
Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered and certainly the last BMW I will own

 

[Bendy toy]

Fiat cars permanently lock the clocks, key code and ECU together at first power on. Replacing one item is either a brand new part or buy the set from another car.
It’s likely that BMW do similar things.

 

[Andi_archer]

Yes it sounds like the security features built into the system are recognising the parts as from another vehicle and thus refusing to cooperate, a form of pair bonding licensing protection.I would guess a new virgin clock has a blank eeprom and would bind to the ecu on first contact.

 

[Bear]

It’s causing a coding problem with the abs too which is abs 2 all I need is the clocks re coding to the rest of the bike but can’t find a dealer that will do it all they tell me is it has to be a new clock and my argument is if a new one can be coded then surely a sh one can be too? It’s only a computer at the end of the day
Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered and certainly the last BMW I will own

Remember that the ABS changed radically for the 2007 model. It's a completely different system to the 2004 - 2006 bikes.

 

[mikeyboy]

Components that use a canbus wiring system need to be coded,it’s a bit like a electronic handshake.
SH clocks can be fitted but the odometer will flash unless they are correctly paired on dealer level diagnostic equipment.
This can be done but a lot of dealers are reluctant to do it ,as steptoe says,sometimes it goes wrong.
I suppose the main reason is one of liability.

 

[Tfemark]

Exactly surely other people have had this problem and found someone that can code the components for them that’s all I’m looking for really and I’m fully aware of the differences between an 04 and 07 bike but as I said my bike is essentially an 07 bike in 04 clothes