fitting sena 20s to shoei neotec

[russ996duke]

anyone fitted a sena 20s to a neotec, and was it straightforward?

searching threads I see several mentions of people fitting them but no detail on how easy/difficult it was..
nothing specific on youtube either..
any tips out that may help me??

thanks

 

[paul08]

Just fitted a 20S to a Schuberth C3 Pro, which is similar.

I found that the clamp fitting did not sit well on the shell, so used the optional "stick on' mounting. It seems very secure, as I did worry about it falling off!

Of the three mike options (wired, boom and wired boom) I ended up using the wired boom, as it fitted better. The boom mike is fixed into the BT unit which, of course sits on the outside of the shell. That meant that the boom then had to go from the BT unit, down under the bottom edge of the shell, and thence inside the helmet. That had two downsides for me: First, I was forever kncoking it when putting on and taking off the helmet. And secondly, the boom was a tad too short, given where I had to mount the BT unit on the shell, and left the mike just to the side of my mouth.

Using the wired boom, I could attach the sticky mounting plate on the inside of the shell, just behind the "join" with the visor bit. The boom then pokes out between the shell and the padding and it resulted in the mike being right in front of my lips. I then ran the wires from the boom inside the helmet until they were in line with the BT unit, and thence up to the connector on the BT unit. The result was a nice tidy installation

BTW, really pleased with the 20S

 

[Pablo1]

Just fitted a 20S to a Schuberth C3 Pro, which is similar.

I found that the clamp fitting did not sit well on the shell, so used the optional "stick on' mounting. It seems very secure, as I did worry about it falling off!

Of the three mike options (wired, boom and wired boom) I ended up using the wired boom, as it fitted better. The boom mike is fixed into the BT unit which, of course sits on the outside of the shell. That meant that the boom then had to go from the BT unit, down under the bottom edge of the shell, and thence inside the helmet. That had two downsides for me: First, I was forever kncoking it when putting on and taking off the helmet. And secondly, the boom was a tad too short, given where I had to mount the BT unit on the shell, and left the mike just to the side of my mouth.

Using the wired boom, I could attach the sticky mounting plate on the inside of the shell, just behind the "join" with the visor bit. The boom then pokes out between the shell and the padding and it resulted in the mike being right in front of my lips. I then ran the wires from the boom inside the helmet until they were in line with the BT unit, and thence up to the connector on the BT unit. The result was a nice tidy installation

BTW, really pleased with the 20S

Do they do a longer boom ? (ive seen on ebay they do one for shoei helmets) any chance you could post a photo of what you done please

 

[paul08]

Do they do a longer boom ? (ive seen on ebay they do one for shoei helmets) any chance you could post a photo of what you done please

I will take a pic tonight and post up

 

[russ996duke]

Just fitted a 20S to a Schuberth C3 Pro, which is similar.

I found that the clamp fitting did not sit well on the shell, so used the optional "stick on' mounting. It seems very secure, as I did worry about it falling off!

Of the three mike options (wired, boom and wired boom) I ended up using the wired boom, as it fitted better. The boom mike is fixed into the BT unit which, of course sits on the outside of the shell. That meant that the boom then had to go from the BT unit, down under the bottom edge of the shell, and thence inside the helmet. That had two downsides for me: First, I was forever kncoking it when putting on and taking off the helmet. And secondly, the boom was a tad too short, given where I had to mount the BT unit on the shell, and left the mike just to the side of my mouth.

Using the wired boom, I could attach the sticky mounting plate on the inside of the shell, just behind the "join" with the visor bit. The boom then pokes out between the shell and the padding and it resulted in the mike being right in front of my lips. I then ran the wires from the boom inside the helmet until they were in line with the BT unit, and thence up to the connector on the BT unit. The result was a nice tidy installation

BTW, really pleased with the 20S

thats great, just the sort of info based on hands on experience I was looking for!
nice one cheers!!

 

[paul08]

As promised, some pics of the Sena 20S fitted to my C3 Pro

 

[russ996duke]

interesting photos, I see you have fitted a mic foam cover, do you find that effective in improving quality of audio?

My main concern on fitting the sena is the inside of the neotec between the foam collar and the shell has some pretty thick lining...ah well, its on the way now so just have to suck it and see!

 

[JKW]

I have an SMH10 fitted to the Neotec and found this guide very helpful, it is especially reassuring on how to stick the helmet back together before I actually started dismantling it. I guess the basics are probably the same with the 20s. Yes - I know it's in French but the English is at the bottom of the page! HTH

 

[russ996duke]

I have an SMH10 fitted to the Neotec and found this guide very helpful, it is especially reassuring on how to stick the helmet back together before I actually started dismantling it. I guess the basics are probably the same with the 20s. Yes - I know it's in French but the English is at the bottom of the page! HTH

that link is very useful, just what i need thanks

 

[Pablo1]

Thanks for posting the photos, very helpful

 

[russ996duke]

well, the 20s is fitted, including the speakers so if I feel the need for a change to avoid sore ear syndrome on trips I can use foam earplugs instead of UE monitors, all works, sena voice is amusingly american, need to get some riding in to explore all the features, sorting out the optimum way of pairing the various BT devices was rather a bore, but sound quality so far is quite good. The Photos and links posted here were a great help, thanks to all who helped out

 

[paul08]

I have some ear buds that I intend trying with my Sena 20S. To make putting the helmet on and off easier, with the earbuds in place in my ears, I have been to Maplins and bought a "pig-tail" lead to give me a bit more cable to play with. And, as the pigtail lead has male plugs at both ends, I have also bought a female/female adaptor.
- this should mean that I can have the pigtail lead plugged into the side of the 20S already when I put the helmet on, and then just plug the male end on the lead of the earbuds into the adaptor plugged onto the end of the pigtail (I hope that makes sense!!)

 

[JJ's GS]

Guys have you tried it bike to bike yet?
I've just treated myself to a new GS and can't find anywhere for my Autocom to fit so I'm thinking of bluetooth.
Sena 20s seems to be the one most people are going for so any info would be useful.
Many thanks
JJ

 

[JJ's GS]

Any info with regard to bike to bike please?
I'm looking to get a set this week just not sure whether Sena 20s or Interphone Tour?
Any help I would be grateful, thanks

 

[Reggie P]

Another vote for the 20S and C3Pro combination. The earlier SRC was ok...but incompatible with friends who all purchased Sena. (There is a bit of a "learning curve"... if you don't use it each day its easy to forget the commands.)

 

[russ996duke]

Any info with regard to bike to bike please?
I'm looking to get a set this week just not sure whether Sena 20s or Interphone Tour?
Any help I would be grateful, thanks

sena 20s
bike to bike, both riders had 20s.
pairing them up was quite drawn out as the manual looks informative at first glance but is short on how the devices work in real world. trial and error got us there eventually
once paired, the connection dropped out from time to time, either due to the other BT devices connected, for example, zumo 660 whenever it announced a turn, or a distance to a turn or waypoint (which it does ad nauseum!) or distance between bikes, it took a while to find a workaround (I muted my zumo audio in the end as it was so annoying when it interruppted a conversation which then took longgg seconds o re-establish).
sound quality on intercom was good and as its full duplex felt like a face to face conversation!
Other times this can be somewhat disconcerting as every comment made to oneself (usually about what other traffic is doing) is heard, as we both have strong views about sh*t driving, this became an amusing sub text to each journey! Also found wandering around off bike but with helmets on quite funny as our conversation continued to the bemusement of other people, reminded me of using my first in car phone on handsfree in a carpark, driver next door looking at the madman talking to himself!!
Range
not as good as sena claim, half a mile if no obstacles, if in built up area or a few corners apart through woods contact lost, and again required a tap of the jog wheel to re-establish.

It is still better than autocom, much less faffing about with settings ( vox is excellent) etc.
range is about same as with a normal walky talky but nowhere near as good as with my puxing 5 watt copy kenwood!!
use with non sena intercoms....was one reason I chose the 20s. It claims to pair up with non sena, but when you dig down into the manual it becomes clear that it will only pair with 1 non sena intercom at any time. I am still struggling to get it to pair with a mates BMW intercom, we can get it to work for a short time but then find it won't connect up out on the road. I think this may be more to do with the bmw owner and his lack of tecky know how ( and his unwillingness to read his Feffing manual!!) so as he is not that bothered I have nt pushed this point.

I use it with UE monitors, the plug will drop out of the sena unit unless you wrap the wire around the unit. sound quality for music is excellent,(although the helmet speakers are OK for satnav music is pants thru them ) phone audio ditto altho I pair the phone thru zumo as otherwise the sena cant separate my IPOD touch from the phone.
the radio function is not something I bothered with, at first glance it seems really poor and difficult to use.

HTH

 

[JJ's GS]

sena 20s
bike to bike, both riders had 20s.
pairing them up was quite drawn out as the manual looks informative at first glance but is short on how the devices work in real world. trial and error got us there eventually
once paired, the connection dropped out from time to time, either due to the other BT devices connected, for example, zumo 660 whenever it announced a turn, or a distance to a turn or waypoint (which it does ad nauseum!) or distance between bikes, it took a while to find a workaround (I muted my zumo audio in the end as it was so annoying when it interruppted a conversation which then took longgg seconds o re-establish).
sound quality on intercom was good and as its full duplex felt like a face to face conversation!
Other times this can be somewhat disconcerting as every comment made to oneself (usually about what other traffic is doing) is heard, as we both have strong views about sh*t driving, this became an amusing sub text to each journey! Also found wandering around off bike but with helmets on quite funny as our conversation continued to the bemusement of other people, reminded me of using my first in car phone on handsfree in a carpark, driver next door looking at the madman talking to himself!!
Range
not as good as sena claim, half a mile if no obstacles, if in built up area or a few corners apart through woods contact lost, and again required a tap of the jog wheel to re-establish.

It is still better than autocom, much less faffing about with settings ( vox is excellent) etc.
range is about same as with a normal walky talky but nowhere near as good as with my puxing 5 watt copy kenwood!!
use with non sena intercoms....was one reason I chose the 20s. It claims to pair up with non sena, but when you dig down into the manual it becomes clear that it will only pair with 1 non sena intercom at any time. I am still struggling to get it to pair with a mates BMW intercom, we can get it to work for a short time but then find it won't connect up out on the road. I think this may be more to do with the bmw owner and his lack of tecky know how ( and his unwillingness to read his Feffing manual!!) so as he is not that bothered I have nt pushed this point.

I use it with UE monitors, the plug will drop out of the sena unit unless you wrap the wire around the unit. sound quality for music is excellent,(although the helmet speakers are OK for satnav music is pants thru them ) phone audio ditto altho I pair the phone thru zumo as otherwise the sena cant separate my IPOD touch from the phone.
the radio function is not something I bothered with, at first glance it seems really poor and difficult to use.

HTH

Many thanks, it really is a minefield trying to find something decent as I'm sure you're aware.
I really want something basic like Autocom used to be but with a decent range but that doesn't seem possible, you have to have all the bells and whistles which just complicates things.
Sat nav cutting conversation is going to be a pain because I would like to use both as I did with Autocom (where sat nav cut out for conversation) but I guess it will be the same on all makes.
I might make a trip to Chainspeed tomorrow and see what they recommend (Sena or maybe Interphone) and see the units in the flesh as to what feels best.
Many thanks
JJ