Fitting the Nautilus Horn to a 2010 1200GSA

[RSavage]

Yeah I gave it a quick blast, very loud indeed! Much louder than the old Magnum setup I had on my Bandit.

Regarding wiring it to the existing loom, I've been looking here

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=52024&rnd=03252011

From what I can see, under 61 Electrical, there are replacement electrical connections, so it's just a case of figuring out what ones I need to create a successful bypass and not have to cut the existing loom on the bike.

This http://www.nippynormans.com/products/horns-exclusive/item/horn-wiring-kit-for-bmw-bikes-with-can-bus-wiring-stb-canbuskit connects into the loom in place of the OEM horn and is what I have. What you need, I guess, is the female equivalent as well. I wonder if 6 and 9 on your BMW parts page are a pair that would match the socket on the OEM horn and the plug on the loom. Then you can make up a lead which would fit betwwen the loom and the OEM horn and have a take-off to the Nautilus relay. I'm very much against cutting the bike loom. BTW, why does NN say that the Nautilus is exclusive to him? I picked mine up from Halfords at a fraction of his price.

http://www.stebel.it/public/stebel.pdf


Richard

 

[RSavage]

Yeah I gave it a quick blast, very loud indeed! Much louder than the old Magnum setup I had on my Bandit.

Regarding wiring it to the existing loom, I've been looking here

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=52024&rnd=03252011

From what I can see, under 61 Electrical, there are replacement electrical connections, so it's just a case of figuring out what ones I need to create a successful bypass and not have to cut the existing loom on the bike.

I think this, on fiche 61 - 2484, is the same as offered by NN to plug into the loom in place of the OEM horn:

09 83300402344 REPAIR PLUG, 2-PIN - NO. 610619

and it looks as though part number 9 on fiche 61-2485 might be the male version. Shame that there isn't a part number.

Might be worth taking a print of the fiche to your friendly dealer.

Richard

 

[PaulW21781]

Aye I'm going to take a better picture of the plug on the bike and order the matching one next week from SSB. Then get to work wiring it all in. The power cable from the battery I have is rated at 27A, so more than adequate for the 20A load of the compressor.

BTW, why does NN say that the Nautilus is exclusive to him? I picked mine up from Halfords at a fraction of his price.
Richard

No idea... Maybe because he is the only one who calls it Nautilus MSX, where everywhere else refers to it as Ultra Compact Mine is just the regular compact model, so in reality, pretty bloody huge!!

http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/Horns.html

And where I got mine from:
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?a=i&k=s&p=STEB11690006
Considerably cheaper

 

[RSavage]

Aye I'm going to take a better picture of the plug on the bike and order the matching one next week from SSB. Then get to work wiring it all in. The power cable from the battery I have is rated at 27A, so more than adequate for the 20A load of the compressor.



No idea... Maybe because he is the only one who calls it Nautilus MSX, where everywhere else refers to it as Ultra Compact Mine is just the regular compact model, so in reality, pretty bloody huge!!

http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/Horns.html

And where I got mine from:
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?a=i&k=s&p=STEB11690006
Considerably cheaper

I see your 'less expensive than NN' supplier and raise you £19.99 from Halfrauds but, owing to a labelling error, sold to me for £14.99

Who/where are SSB?

Richard

 

[PaulW21781]

I see your 'less expensive than NN' supplier and raise you £19.99 from Halfrauds but, owing to a labelling error, sold to me for £14.99

Who/where are SSB?

Richard

Unfortunately... Halfords have stopped stocking the Nautilus, and instead now stock similar styled ones made by 'Ring' (cheaper for them to buy yet sold at same price...)

SSB = Southport Superbikes. I'll be having a word to see about ordering the various connectors needed via them

 

[RSavage]

Unfortunately... Halfords have stopped stocking the Nautilus, and instead now stock similar styled ones made by 'Ring' (cheaper for them to buy yet sold at same price...)

SSB = Southport Superbikes. I'll be having a word to see about ordering the various connectors needed via them

Ah, nuisance about Halfords.

Could you let me know how you get on at SSB? I'd be interested in making up a section of loom to insert - non-destructively - between the bike loom and OEM horn with a feed to the relay for the Nautilus.

Off to France tomorrow for a week, so I'd better start packing!

Cheers

Richard

 

[MrPudding]

So, I have the horn and I have the cable thingie from NN. I am, however, completely lacking in the knowledge and skill to fit the damn thing...

I could probably manage to bolt it to something, but I don't have the first clue how to get a connection form the battery.

Can anyone help? I am in Buckingham.

MrP

 

[RSavage]

Nautilus in anger

Just returned from taking the Nautilus on holiday to Gap for a 2,000Km trip. I hadn't made fitting the unit a requirement prior to departure but I'm very glad that I did find time to fit it. However, I'm not sure that the cars which crept round some of the blind bends on the roads through the Gorges de Verdon expecting to meet an enourmous 'Wages of Fear' truck were so pleased.

All-in-all an excellent unit which justified the time spent in fitting.


Richard

 

[MrPudding]

**Bump**

So, I have the horn and I have the cable thingie from NN. I am, however, completely lacking in the knowledge and skill to fit the damn thing...

I could probably manage to bolt it to something, but I don't have the first clue how to get a connection form the battery.

Can anyone help? I am in Buckingham.

MrP

 

[harry]

Just returned from taking the Nautilus on holiday to Gap for a 2,000Km trip. I hadn't made fitting the unit a requirement prior to departure but I'm very glad that I did find time to fit it. However, I'm not sure that the cars which crept round some of the blind bends on the roads through the Gorges de Verdon expecting to meet an enourmous 'Wages of Fear' truck were so pleased.

All-in-all an excellent unit which justified the time spent in fitting.


Richard

Glad to hear it was all worth the effort, but where on earth did you test this monster? Our friend Wapping, of this parish, had an awful problem finding somewhere to test his puny horn, in comparison to yours, as he lives in a built-up area.

 

[RSavage]

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Hi Mr P

Bike wiring is not for the inexperienced - follow some of the horror links posted earlier. Buckingham is something of a long step for me to be able to help. Are there no GSers close to you? Worst case scenario is to ask your local BMW dealer to wire it in for you - mine offered to do it. Or look for a local auto electrician.

Rgds

Richard

 

[RSavage]

Glad to hear it was all worth the effort, but where on earth did you test this monster? Our friend Wapping, of this parish, had an awful problem finding somewhere to test his puny horn, in comparison to yours, as he lives in a built-up area.

Prior to my trip I tested it while wearing earplugs and ear defenders.

I then tested in on the French

 

[PaulW21781]

Ah, nuisance about Halfords.

Could you let me know how you get on at SSB? I'd be interested in making up a section of loom to insert - non-destructively - between the bike loom and OEM horn with a feed to the relay for the Nautilus.

Off to France tomorrow for a week, so I'd better start packing!

Cheers

Richard

Hi Richard

I went to SSB on the 13th of June, had a fun old time searching for the parts... The ones on the fiche which are earlier posted are incorrect though.

After some digging, Jim remembered an old Service Information Sheet (No. 75/2005) which listed a shed load of repair sockets for the loom on the bike. After some looking and working things out (and me stripping my bike down a bit on the road outside to find bits to compare) we came up with the following parts:

61 0 617 - Repair connector, 2-pole (MQS socket receptacle) - Horn
61 0 619 - Repair connector, 2-pole (MQS pin receptacle) - Brake-light Switch

Both items need to be ordered as a tool (P/N starts 80 00 0). Also, above part numbers have been superseded to the following.

80 00 0 610 617 - becomes - 83 30 0 402 342 - Unit Price £7.65
80 00 0 610 619 - becomes - 83 30 0 402 344 - Unit Price £6.95

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Reason I stripped the bike down a bit to check, was to ensure than the Brake-light switch receptacle (610 619) did in fact match the receptacle on the horn, which it does perfectly, so I'd be assuming that this is also the same part Nippy sells for £14.00.

So yeah, just a case of waiting now for them to arrive, as they are ordered as a tool item, it's just a case of them turning up as-and-when they get sent by BMW, but they were not being listed as a stock item anywhere in the UK when checked.

 

[RSavage]

Hi Richard

I went to SSB on the 13th of June, had a fun old time searching for the parts... The ones on the fiche which are earlier posted are incorrect though.

After some digging, Jim remembered an old Service Information Sheet (No. 75/2005) which listed a shed load of repair sockets for the loom on the bike. After some looking and working things out (and me stripping my bike down a bit on the road outside to find bits to compare) we came up with the following parts:

61 0 617 - Repair connector, 2-pole (MQS socket receptacle) - Horn
61 0 619 - Repair connector, 2-pole (MQS pin receptacle) - Brake-light Switch

Both items need to be ordered as a tool (P/N starts 80 00 0). Also, above part numbers have been superseded to the following.

80 00 0 610 617 - becomes - 83 30 0 402 342 - Unit Price £7.65
80 00 0 610 619 - becomes - 83 30 0 402 344 - Unit Price £6.95

---

Reason I stripped the bike down a bit to check, was to ensure than the Brake-light switch receptacle (610 619) did in fact match the receptacle on the horn, which it does perfectly, so I'd be assuming that this is also the same part Nippy sells for £14.00.

So yeah, just a case of waiting now for them to arrive, as they are ordered as a tool item, it's just a case of them turning up as-and-when they get sent by BMW, but they were not being listed as a stock item anywhere in the UK when checked.

Hi Paul

That sounds great. Thanks for your hard work.

I have to go to Vines to moan about the play in the final drive, the rapid wear of the clutch (low first gear anyone?) and the low speed sterring weave so will order the connectors and see how I get on.


Cheers

Richard

 

[MrPudding]

Hi Mr P

Bike wiring is not for the inexperienced - follow some of the horror links posted earlier. Buckingham is something of a long step for me to be able to help. Are there no GSers close to you? Worst case scenario is to ask your local BMW dealer to wire it in for you - mine offered to do it. Or look for a local auto electrician.

Rgds

Richard

Hi Richard,

Cheers for the response. I did take the horn to my dealer when I was getting the bike serviced, but they said they could not fit it.

I would be willing to travel to someone for fitting if they could help me out...

MrP

 

[Oldrat]

You have a PM

 

[PaulW21781]

Wired the horn in place today, both the standard horn and the Nautilus are working side-by-side

Some pictures, and a bit of information...

My custom-made brackets to hold the compressor in place:

Here are the 2 items which I got from BMW, cost around £18 for both bits. Part numbers 83300402344 and 8330402342 (they are ordered as a Tool item)

(I've already trimmed the excess wire off, it comes with around 12 inches of wire, but I only needed an inch each end)

Joined the Positive feed for the relay on wire 2 (Green from the original connector if you want to check).

Little adaptor all finished and taped up.

Now connected in place, between the old Horn and the original connector plug.

Relay and wiring in-situ

I've earthed both the relay AND the compressor to the same mounting point at which the top bracket is attached. Saves running any excess cable from the front to the battery, as the bike is negative-earth anyway.

Air horn in-situ

So yeah, it's all working fine! I'm using a 20A fuse for the feed from the battery to the horn without any problems. There is a slight delay (roughly 1/4 a second) before the Nautilus makes a racket alongside the standard horn (that's down to the compressor though, can't be improved) But, having both horns working in tandem certainly does make it noticeably loud!!

 

[RSavage]

Wired the horn in place today, both the standard horn and the Nautilus are working side-by-side

Some pictures, and a bit of information...



Here are the 2 items which I got from BMW, cost around £18 for both bits. Part numbers 83300402344 and 8330402342 (they are ordered as a Tool item)


So yeah, it's all working fine! I'm using a 20A fuse for the feed from the battery to the horn without any problems. There is a slight delay (roughly 1/4 a second) before the Nautilus makes a racket alongside the standard horn (that's down to the compressor though, can't be improved) But, having both horns working in tandem certainly does make it noticeably loud!!

Excellent news Paul

It looks as though you have hung the compressor from the same point on the front frame as I did. I was a bit concerned that the weight of the compressor might encourage the cage fitting (*) that the bolt screws into to work lose and I did think about fitting a bolt and Nyloc nut in place of the original bolt, but it has shown no sign of doing so even after the long trip to France.

* not sure what the correct name is for these doubtful bits of tin that BMW use on sheet fixings.

I must say that I took the earth for my Nautilus back to the battery. But this is only because I had earthing problems with the 1150GS. I'm glad to see that the bits for the adaptor loom are as you (we) hoped. I will definitely be ordering them from Vines.

I'm pleased that there is that slight delay in compressor response. Does it give you enough control to be able to give a brief 'courtesy toot' from the OEM horn before blowing away an antagonist with the Nautilus? Perhaps one could use a time delay relay? Although that might attract unwanted attention from certain quarters due to the ability to create a dual-tone horn


Richard

 

[PaulW21781]

Well, courtesy toot would be a very brief one, as said it is literally only 1/4 a second, you really would need to just 'tap' the horn button to do it. I guess, depending on what type of hose you use (whether it has a slight bit of expansion or how long it is) would affect compressor response further, I've used about 16 inches of silicon tubing (5mm) with quite a thick wall, so there is absolutely no expansion or give in the tubing.

A time delay relay is possibly something which could be done, although you'd need to add it for the switched source of the 30A SPST relay which comes with the Nautilus (I've only found 5A time delay relays you see) and would make things overly complex for what they need to be in all fairness. I may or may not look into this in the future though, but for now I'm happy with how it is

I checked the earth point from the battery to the frame before I connected the earth to where it is for the compressor, I wanted to make sure it would be a good earth, and not a bit hit&miss. But yeah, no issues in that respect!

Parts took 3 weeks to arrive from time of ordering, as they were a non-stock item in the UK.

 

[RSavage]

Well, courtesy toot would be a very brief one, as said it is literally only 1/4 a second, you really would need to just 'tap' the horn button to do it. I guess, depending on what type of hose you use (whether it has a slight bit of expansion or how long it is) would affect compressor response further, I've used about 16 inches of silicon tubing (5mm) with quite a thick wall, so there is absolutely no expansion or give in the tubing.

A time delay relay is possibly something which could be done, although you'd need to add it for the switched source of the 30A SPST relay which comes with the Nautilus (I've only found 5A time delay relays you see) and would make things overly complex for what they need to be in all fairness. I may or may not look into this in the future though, but for now I'm happy with how it is

I checked the earth point from the battery to the frame before I connected the earth to where it is for the compressor, I wanted to make sure it would be a good earth, and not a bit hit&miss. But yeah, no issues in that respect!

Parts took 3 weeks to arrive from time of ordering, as they were a non-stock item in the UK.

IIRC the battery-to-frame strap on the 1150 was connected to the frame under the ABS unit. So, very inaccessible. So much so that we did think about running a second strap to a different part of the chassis. In the end the arrival of the 1200GSA solved the problem!

Concerning timer relays: I do so like a complicated solution to a simple problem But, I will stick to the 'KISS' solution and try a brief 'tap' to get the courtesy toot. On the other hand a 555 delay circuit could be incorporated into the switched feed from the OEM horn to the Nautilus without too much trouble :cool

3 weeks for a non-stock item to come in is very good.

Cheers

Richard