For all you 1200 bashers

Sgt Bilco

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OK, as most of you know, I'll defend the 1200 to the hilt and I think with very good reasons:thumb Some would say I have rose tinted specs but I just speak as I find.

On the 2 Alaska trips I've just done we have the following bikes:

15 1200's of all ages from 04 to new TC's and with various mileages and histories.
4 1150's of various vintage
1 F800GS

Mileage for each trip was around 8500 per bikes which translates to 127,500 miles for the 1200's and 34,000 miles for the 1150.s and 8500 for the 800.

The road conditions varied from flat smooth twisty tarmac right through to very rough with potholes, gravel and mud. The Dalton in particular will find any weakness as it's 500 miles of incessant banging and crashing at 50mph plus. The weather varied from 40 degrees plus to just above freezing in heavy rain so we covered just about everything.

Guess what? We had no real drama's with any of the bikes. We had 2 punctures and replaced 3 headlamp bulbs for the whole group. My ignition barrel started playing up so for the sake of good order I changed it. It's was just wearing out. One 1200 had a misting rear outer seal on his final drive which we could have changed in 10 mins but decided not to and 3000 miles later, it didn't cause any concern. I would think we used no more than a litre of oil on both trips. The only real potential nightmare was fuel pump sticking on the 800 which after a judicious tap on the pavement by Murdoch solved the problem for the rest of the trip. You can't just ring BMW assist out in the sticks so you have to solve it.

No FD's exploded, no fuel pumps gave up, no bearings collapsed and the bikes just took it all in their stride:thumb I put this down to good preparation, riding the things and letting them do what they were designed for instead of having them as sunny sunday toys hooked up to a battery tender and polished half to death. I know not everyone has the time etc but they need riding regularly and miles putting on them. All bikes, cars etc need the same in my opinion. They will all need a good clean and check over on return and there are sure to be some bits that have broken or fallen off but that is the nature of a hard trip.

I'm not sure any other bike could cope as well with the different conditions that a trip like this throw's at you. I really can't think of another bike which will take you 400 miles in comfort and then do a gravel track fully loaded with no adjustments or worries and all of them doing 50-55mpg The S10, EXP etc etc are not proven yet on trips like this so there is no real comparison. The KTM is close but not as comfortable on the long road sections and fuel consumption is dire in comparison.

My 2006 GSA has just hit 88,000 mile and is going better than ever and will be back doing this next year:thumb I wouldn't dream of changing it.

I know there are some problems out there and some bikes seem to suffer but in my experience, it doesn't matter what's on the badge, nothing is bomb proof despite what people may think. If you know the potential pitfalls you can work round it and prepare.

So, to all you nay sayers and 1200 slaggers, these are staggering motorcycles which do a fantastic job if you get out and ride them.

I'm sure there will be the usual crowd of "I don't trust mine", "mine's falling apart" or "they aren't as good as my 11**" but the truth is they are as good as if not better than anything else out there:thumb
 
Great post. I have often noticed, when it's winter and the weather's really crap, half the bikes on the road seem to be GSs. Ironical that those fleeing to "more reliable" bikes may well be just opting for something less thoroughly tested and openly discussed. Perhaps a porcine friend will be along later to take issue.

After a very fair pay out on my insurance, I was recently in the happy position of being able to get pretty much any bike I fancied...everything I looked at had a significant drawback in one area of motorcycling or other so I opted for an 08 1200GS..exactly the same spec as I had before. Having discovered Hilltop, there seemed little point in getting anything newer.

Would love to join you next year (I'll be retired). I'm very happy doing long distances (even on standard seat) but I fear the Dalton would uncover a significant weakness (in my riding abilities, not the bike) :D
 
What sort of roads does Nick Sanders ride his Yamaha R1 and now Super Tenere on? Are they anything like those conditions mentioned above?
 
I agree that most bikes develope faults because they just aren't used.

Look how many of the things they've sold, 3-400000 of them, so if just 1% have faults,that's a huge success for Mbw.

Having said that, they're not a patch on the 1100:hide
 
Now that is a great post, thanks for sharing and must admit, I am a little bit jealous :D:green gri
 
Bilco you are spot on.The average Gs/ BMW does almost 3 times the mileage of most other bikes except the odd Pan. That is why people buy them.The Gs is by far the biggest selling bike of the last 8-10 years. people are not stupid, and can't be fooled for very long. Especially at the price you pay for one.The 1200 is a superb bike, better by far than anything else I have ever had.
The new Triumph is a very good bike as is the Tenere, but in my opinion is still some way behind the GS, although they are catching up, although still unproven,despite one man doing 50k on 1 bike.
I am looking forward to seeing the new WC model, but again it will have to prove itself like everything else.Although with the experience BMW now have with the previous models I suspect they will get it right again.:thumb
 
Nice to hear/read a positive thread about the bike.
ALL makes of bikes have problems, & forums are the places to blow them out of all proportion, its the nature of the beast. This does tend to give the wrong impression, so well done for balancing the scale a tad.:thumb
 
Good post , we do massive miles on Enfields in India/ Himalayas and there is rarely a mechanical show stopper because they are used constantly .The most reliable bikes are those used daily , Having more than one bike makes that not possible so maybe that's the answer . One bike , like when we were young and skint !!!:D:beerjug:
 
Nice one Sarge, bloody love my GSA and think I'll keep it till my riding days are over which I hope won't be for a very long time :beerjug:
 
I really can't think of another bike which will take you 400 miles in comfort and then do a gravel track fully loaded with no adjustments or worries and all of them doing 50-55mpg.

An F800GS (with a different seat) will do the same thing and return 60-65mpg.

Just Sayin...
 
Well said Sarge..:clap

100 mile a day commute on my 09 GSA, and i still look forward to every ride, rain or shine. Awesome bike.:bow
 
What sort of roads does Nick Sanders ride his Yamaha R1 and now Super Tenere on? Are they anything like those conditions mentioned above?

Yep, the very same. Loads of different bikes ride the same roads but not many in the time we do it in and without an issue.
 
Good post Sarge.

11k has gone on to mine in the last couple of months.

Great bikes :thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
 
BMW is probably the most abused/used bikes in the world. A good report on the bikes and it proves that not all is lost when you buy a 1200GS. There is only one bike better than a GS and that is a GS Adventure. Perfect for track days with the big fuel tank and it'll keep up with the fast boys. Not so good on the trails with a lot of mud but overall a fantastic bike. Do anything all the time. I wish for more green to buy happyjuice :thumb2.
 
Fook me, I'm going to have to buy another GS now! :D
 
Bilco
Great report,and a reflection of my own thoughts on the 1200GSA. Like others have said before,the bike is a pleasure to ride and always entices you to go the long way home.
Mines a 2008, and by comparison to yours Bilco, is still running in at 32K.
By the way, realy enjoyed reading your ride reports.
Cheers
 


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