For the record:

[wilbjr21]

Wapping - surely you remember good old Dell - oops sorry Northern Boy.

He had his bike transported away by the recovery service because his indicator stopped working.

Looks like he's come back again.

 

[Mr K]

I know what you mean. My granda smoked forty a day for sixty years, and it never did any harm, so I can't be doing with the myth that it is bad for you. I am pretty sure that the correct way to counter evidence is with one man's story, so thanks for putting us right.

Same with your bike, really. Your anecdote clearly and simply disproves the "myths" posted by people who have had problems.

I think you'll find more than one satisfied customer.

 

[AdamA]

I think you'll find more than one satisfied customer.

Aye, some of us have had more faults than most of the rest put together and are still satisfied customers. Shit happens.

 

[Sgt Bilco]

I know what you mean. My granda smoked forty a day for sixty years, and it never did any harm, so I can't be doing with the myth that it is bad for you. I am pretty sure that the correct way to counter evidence is with one man's story, so thanks for putting us right.

Same with your bike, really. Your anecdote clearly and simply disproves the "myths" posted by people who have had problems.

 

[NorthernBoy]

Wapping - surely you remember good old Dell - oops sorry Northern Boy.

He had his bike transported away by the recovery service because his indicator stopped working.

Looks like he's come back again.

No I did not. Please, let's not start trotting out lies eh?

And for the record, the problems with mine were,

Bike started indicating left on its own
Main seal leaked, contaminating clutch with oil
Front plate corroded
Battery failed
Replacement battery failed after a month
Heated grips failed

But why don't you put all them down to "normal", and write them off as not meaning anything, eh?

Edited to say, though, they do seem to have actually listened, understood their mistakes, and fixed them on their new bikes. I traded in the '05 for a new '08, and the build quality is much higher, which is good.

 

[wilbjr21]

No I did not. Please, let's not start trotting out lies eh?

And for the record, the problems with mine were,

Bike started indicating left on its own
Main seal leaked, contaminating clutch with oil
Front plate corroded
Battery failed
Replacement battery failed after a month
Heated grips failed

But why don't you put all them down to "normal", and write them off as not meaning anything, eh?

Edited to say, though, they do seem to have actually listened, understood their mistakes, and fixed them on their new bikes. I traded in the '05 for a new '08, and the build quality is much higher, which is good.

So ........ you've never been on this forum before and you've never had an "M" series BMW car?

 

[NorthernBoy]

So ........ you've never been on this forum before and you've never had an "M" series BMW car?

Yes, I have, but stopped responding as you must be about the most disingenuous poster that I have ever come across. I posted of an electrical fault in response to your claim that the electrics were 100% reliable. Instead of you responding that this was indeed an example of a problem, you simply squirmed and changed the subject, saying that in effect "That's not a fault, you should have had the tools to fix it".

Now, you change the facts of the case, pretty dishonestly, and again try to change the subject. I did not get the bike transported, and it was not that the indicators had stopped working. Again, I have posted simply pointing out that you are wrong, and again you immediately try to change the point.

I did have an M series car, yes, but because of quality problems, I have changed it for an RS4 instead which seems much better built.

I have no idea why you display such a pathological need to be shown right, even when someone can flatly contradict your statements about what happened, or what never happened, and I am not particularly interested in finding out, either. This forum has lots of people on who are very helpful, which is why I come here. The fact that it also has a few like you still leaves it, on the whole, a good thing.

 

[wilbjr21]

Yes, I have, but stopped responding as you must be about the most disingenuous poster that I have ever come across. I posted of an electrical fault in response to your claim that the electrics were 100% reliable. Instead of you responding that this was indeed an example of a problem, you simply squirmed and changed the subject, saying that in effect "That's not a fault, you should have had the tools to fix it".

Now, you change the facts of the case, pretty dishonestly, and again try to change the subject. I did not get the bike transported, and it was not that the indicators had stopped working. Again, I have posted simply pointing out that you are wrong, and again you immediately try to change the point.

I did have an M series car, yes, but because of quality problems, I have changed it for an RS4 instead which seems much better built.

I have no idea why you display such a pathological need to be shown right, even when someone can flatly contradict your statements about what happened, or what never happened, and I am not particularly interested in finding out, either. This forum has lots of people on who are very helpful, which is why I come here. The fact that it also has a few like you still leaves it, on the whole, a good thing.

OK so my memory served me well.

The reason I remember it so well is my amazement that someone would choose the inconvenience of a recovery truck to getting home without indicators. You said AT THE TIME that it was recovered on safety grounds. Are you NOW saying that you never had it recovered.?

I've never changed any facts ....... just not my way.

I've never posted that the electrics are 100% reliable - that would be foolish in the extreme. The CAN Bus has so far been without (reported) fault - perhaps you're confused over the technicalities here (no sarcasm intended).

Please provide evidence of me being disingenuous - been called a lot but never this.

One thing you are correct about: I have no sympathy for anyone going away on an "adventure" trip outside of the BMW Rescue Zone without a FPC/Antenna Ring among their spares and then moaning about a ruined holiday. There has been so much publicity given to these electrical problem on this forum.

I am also helpful.

 

[luckylucian]

Mine is on 34k and running well, changed the clutch tho' but I'm too scared of the bullies here to post about it.

Seems like if one breaks, it ok to post that they are all sh1te, and if it doesn't break you should keep quiet (as most do)



still hiding

 

[rudiemoto]

Aye, some of us have had more faults than most of the rest put together and are still satisfied customers. Shit happens.

all bikes can break down evern ducati but hay ho if it didnt break us techs would be jobless

 

[HeatedGrips]

I really don't understand what's going on here. Of course some bikes run perfectly all the time and others have problems.

I thought the point of posting about the problems was to warn others of potential pitfalls and to seek advice about how to deal with them. Now it seems that to do so is to be labeled some sort of moaning nuisance.

I've had four GS's. Both the 1150s suffered major engine failures, one just out of warranty, and people on here guided me how to deal with BMW over it. Result, success.

Equally my last 1200 started 'auto-indicating' and a posting on here allowed me to discover it was a far from uncommon fault which again helped in goodwill negotiations with the dealer.

You will note that in spite of having what I reckon is more than my fair share of failures on what is an expensive bike, I still keep buying them. That's because I think there is still nothing else out there to touch them for the type of riding that I do.

But it doesn't mean they are perfect. Why don't those of you lucky enough to enjoy trouble-free riding just sit back and enjoy it, instead of complaining about the complainers?

 

[wilbjr21]

I really don't understand what's going on here. Of course some bikes run perfectly all the time and others have problems.

I thought the point of posting about the problems was to warn others of potential pitfalls and to seek advice about how to deal with them. Now it seems that to do so is to be labeled some sort of moaning nuisance.

I've had four GS's. Both the 1150s suffered major engine failures, one just out of warranty, and people on here guided me how to deal with BMW over it. Result, success.

Equally my last 1200 started 'auto-indicating' and a posting on here allowed me to discover it was a far from uncommon fault which again helped in goodwill negotiations with the dealer.

You will note that in spite of having what I reckon is more than my fair share of failures on what is an expensive bike, I still keep buying them. That's because I think there is still nothing else out there to touch them for the type of riding that I do.

But it doesn't mean they are perfect. Why don't those of you lucky enough to enjoy trouble-free riding just sit back and enjoy it, instead of complaining about the complainers?

You make a good point very well.

The reason for the thread - and my contribution - is the constant sniping from a few 1150 owners who just can't resist have an dig at each and every opportunity. It is very wearing, especially as BMW seem to have made big improvements with the '08 model.

I'm just as bad coming from the other side but, even though my 1150 was not fault free, I don't feel the need to constantly resurrect it's problems in various threads.

It may appear to be "complaining abut the complainers" - but if half of them had read the manual it would help.

 

[Mr K]

As I started the thread I feel, much like wiljbr21 that the bike is not perfect, nothing is, but they're not all disasters: All 1200 batteries are not crap
All 1200 alarms are not crap
All 1200s do not suffer all problems, a great many suffer none.

I wanted to have some sort of balance.

I know some people have been disappointed.

Equally some are delighted.

Just been out on mine today... +2.5 - +5.5C.... sunny, freezin' cold, dropped it on ice 3000 yards from the front door.....

What else would I be doing?