French Toll road payment

one for the experienced liber-t users

I`ve just aquired a liber-t tag (from the link below), and want to ask:
With the barriered 2m liber-t lanes I notice using streetview the signage on some liber-t lanes shows a circular sign with a motorcycle symbol. The exit off the A31 for Beze is one I have in mind. does this mean I would be automatically charged class 5 motorcycle rate at this lane or would I have to hand over the tag to get the class 5 rate

As for the TAG, a little research has turned up a potential cheaper option for new customers outside france to get hold of a liber-t TAG without paying the hefty fees levied by sanef UK, and be able to pay the toll costs to the French opperator via credit card. (Albeit consideration to the fees levied by the credit card Co for the exchange rates needs to be considered) but if you have a zero card, afaik that isn`t a problem

So if anyone is still thinking about getting hold of a French Liber-t toll tag, https://www.telepeagepourtous.fr/fr/particulier/vos_avantages they are offering liber-t tags for free, abeit with a €10 setup fee (€10 refundable on your 1st bill)

However unlike most french Liber-t tags you don`t need a french bank account to apply, as you can pay via a credit card (mastercard/visa)

service charges: online billing charges at €1.60, or paper billing at €2.10 per month only (but for only the months you use it + the toll fees you accrue).

apply here: https://www.telepeagepourtous.fr/fr/particulier/souscrire/en_ligne

There are no deposit fees for the tag persay as the initial €10 fee when you apply is refunded via your 1st bill. The only additional fee I can see for using it, beyond the billing fee & toll costs, is that you pay €3 for delivery.

I saw this and recommended it to a mate who is quite a good French speaker to go through the site in detail. He has signed up for one and it has arrived very quickly through the post. He managed to link it to his 'Euro Pre Payment Card' via FairFx, so bills will not be subject to exchange rates.

He has just texted to tell me not to apply for one just yet - as for current customers who make a recommendation then the Recommender gets 6 months free subscription fees and the Recommendee gets his €10 Fee waived once they have signed up.

I await the e mail from them or whatever......

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Or......


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Got my Liber-T Balade badge a couple of weeks ago. Tried it out over Easter in my Campervan, with bike on the back. It worked a treat, ocassionally taking 5 - 10 secs to connect but always did work.

Just had a look on-line to check my account and what I was charged, and it gave me the correct class for the campervan each time. It really is a lot easier than searching for change, suffering the conversion charge for cards or looking for the lost ticket, struggling to reach the slot when it is amost out of reach.

Thanks for the suggestion.

It will be interesting to see what I will be charged during the months it is not used.
 
Got my Liber-T Balade badge a couple of weeks ago. Tried it out over Easter in my Campervan, with bike on the back. It worked a treat, ocassionally taking 5 - 10 secs to connect but always did work.

Just had a look on-line to check my account and what I was charged, and it gave me the correct class for the campervan each time. It really is a lot easier than searching for change, suffering the conversion charge for cards or looking for the lost ticket, struggling to reach the slot when it is amost out of reach.

Thanks for the suggestion.

It will be interesting to see what I will be charged during the months it is not used.

It's fine, it all works according to how it should do.

I was over at the weekend and of course the best lanes are the 30kph approach versions :) (I was in the car)
 
A word of warning if you plan to use a UK credit card to pay your toll fee, some banks charge a " per transaction fee " when another currncy is involved and if as Franco suggested you find yourself in the Monaco/St. Tropez area you could be paying more than you think !
 
I believe the charges are submitted monthly to the linked card so only one transaction fee. I'm using a Stirling AMEX card inked to the badge and the charges from last month have not hit the card yet. We'll see....
 
Got my Liber-T Balade badge a couple of weeks ago. Tried it out over Easter in my Campervan, with bike on the back. It worked a treat, ocassionally taking 5 - 10 secs to connect but always did work.

Just had a look on-line to check my account and what I was charged, and it gave me the correct class for the campervan each time. It really is a lot easier than searching for change, suffering the conversion charge for cards or looking for the lost ticket, struggling to reach the slot when it is amost out of reach.

Thanks for the suggestion.

It will be interesting to see what I will be charged during the months it is not used.

Another thank you for this suggestion.

I ordered my APRR Liber- T badge it arrived promptly and worked a treat. I fitted it to the car as shown no issues at all and I have linked to a pre-pay Euro Card (Fair-FX) so it will be Euros that I am charged in, so no worries there. I did it from a recommendation link from a mate who had ordered one - this hopefully saves him the €10 charge. I would be interested to hear how bods get on if using it on a bike in the appropriate 'Auto toll' lane if it charges only for a class 5 vehicle - please update if you can confirm it works OK for bikes.

Best bit over the family Easter Holiday with this was watching the following French drivers going into panic mode when they saw a UK registered car enter the 't' lane. Thinking I was going to get stuck they rushed into reverse gear, one nearly crashing in the process, only to manoeuvre into the next lane to watch us sale on through! :D

Worth the effort IMHO especially given how often I am over there......
 
Used a Sanef tag since last year,no faffing about with taking gloves off etc,when the bill came looked like we had been charged car rate, when asked if could remember where we had got on and off(we could) they have number plate recognition camera's and checked they refunded the money.
 
Used a Sanef tag since last year,no faffing about with taking gloves off etc,when the bill came looked like we had been charged car rate, when asked if could remember where we had got on and off(we could) they have number plate recognition camera's and checked they refunded the money.

Just back from a long weekend to Lower Normandy ("Landing beaches" Tour) - yet to get the monthly invoice but having checked the account for charges pending on my APRR issued tag, 5 out of 6 entries incorrectly noted as Classe 1, the 6th correctly registered as Classe 5.

Email to APRR was quickly responded to with an extremely apologetic confirmation they would take up with the sector operator and get the entries corrected.
 
Just checked my account following last weekend's jaunt through Normandy and the few times I used the Autoroute it correctly charged me Class 5 tolls.

Really pleased with this as defo cuts down the 'faff factor'.

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Reading through this, after the event, explains a few things. Previously when I’ve travelled on toll roads the group I was with had a toll “kitty”. I would collect everyone’s toll ticket, at the next peage head for a manned booth, hand over all of the tickets and pay for the lot out of the kitty. We would then go through one by one. It worked quite well. Tried to do the same this year and it turned into chaos! Firstly I could never find a manned toll booth. Then if I rode into an automatic one with the group behind me, with all the tickets and the kitty, it either would not take my ticket or must have seen the bikes bunched together as a bigger vehicle. Lesson learned.:blast
I guess you need to sort your own ticket out now and leave a gap to the bike in front?
 
Reading through this, after the event, explains a few things. Previously when I’ve travelled on toll roads the group I was with had a toll “kitty”. I would collect everyone’s toll ticket, at the next peage head for a manned booth, hand over all of the tickets and pay for the lot out of the kitty. We would then go through one by one. It worked quite well. Tried to do the same this year and it turned into chaos! Firstly I could never find a manned toll booth. Then if I rode into an automatic one with the group behind me, with all the tickets and the kitty, it either would not take my ticket or must have seen the bikes bunched together as a bigger vehicle. Lesson learned.:blast
I guess you need to sort your own ticket out now and leave a gap to the bike in front?

We did the kitty thing this year & it worked a treat.
Mind there were only 2 of us.
 
Used a sanef tag last week. Takes a little getting used to the right routine when getting to the toll and twice got confused when a lorry started to tailgate me and refused to open until much waving around and it then worked . But checking the bill and it's got me as a motorbike every time. I'd give it 7/10 as when it works properly it's great but not every toll worked as smoothly.
 
There were 9 of us in the group and knowing how tight some of them are there is no way they would pay for a Sanef tag!! I need to go back to the drawing board for a method of getting a group that big through as quickly as possible – any suggestions? Other than leave them of course!
 
There were 9 of us in the group.....I need to go back to the drawing board for a method of getting a group that big through as quickly as possible – any suggestions?

Nine bikes is not a big group. Depending on:

(1) The combined (and individual) intelligence of the nine

(2) The number of booths available

(3) Whether the booths are manned or unmanned

(4) A number of other indefinable factors, including but not limited to: Wet tickets, dropped coins, recalcitrant barriers, the efficacy of the vehicle detector, suitability of the charge or credit card proffered up for use, lost tickets, wallet kept in a safe place inside a zipped pocket beneath two layers of clothing and a one piece wet suit, the speed of the vehicle(s) in front.... The potential list of horrors goes on....

I would estimate somewhere between five and ten minutes; hardly a lifetime.

If you want to do your utmost to speed the process, a lot of the success involves little more than common sense, often employed before the toll barrier is even reached.

(A) On the approach to the tolls, look at the lit up signs, choosing a lane most appropriate to the individual rider's needs

(B) Where possible, avoid all nine going lemming like down one lane. Divide yourselves between lanes. This requires a little thought, looking ahead and using a little imagination.

(C) As with fuel stops, dissuade those that go through first (this may well be you if you are chief posse leader) from dismounting, taking off their helmet and gloves, wandering off for a piss, ringing their mum, taking pictures and / or pressing wild flowers whilst they wait patiently for the couple of minutes it will take the rest of the posse to clear the barriers. Why? Because the later arrivals will all start to do the same and time will vanish.

(D) If the posse is unable to avoid (C) do not fight gravity, go with it. Take the opportunity to have a break. Then avoid having another break twenty minutes later and again ten minutes after that.

(E) Work out that, as bikers you'll be eschewing motorways and tolls, more often than not in favour of 'Great roads, mate'. The lost ten or so minutes that it might take to get eight semi-literate bikers you have chosen to ride with, through the tolls, will not be an every 10 minutes occurrence through every hour of your waking day. In short, ten minutes is nothing... Make up the time (if you really must) by getting out of your pits and setting off ten minutes earlier in the morning and / or spend 20 minutes less back slapping and marvelling at the wonders of motorcycling when you stop for lunch.... Save it for the bar in the evening, you'll get there quicker and be there longer.


knowing how tight some of them are there is no way they would pay....

High quality technical advice of this nature usually demands a £12 levy. Waived in the spirit of biker brotherhood and in the hope that (unlike your eight companions) you are not really a tight arse.
 
There were 9 of us in the group and knowing how tight some of them are there is no way they would pay for a Sanef tag!! I need to go back to the drawing board for a method of getting a group that big through as quickly as possible – any suggestions? Other than leave them of course!

I took the advice of Whatton and bought one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-DESIGN-VIBRANT-COLOURS-EURO-Coin-Dispenser-Holder-Purse-Wallet-FREE-POSTAGE-/321208998794?pt=UK_Purses_Wallets&var=510159269815&hash=item4ac98c5b8a
specifically for use at French tolls, just load it with coins you get in your change at the bar/coffee shop/brothel-whatever and hand it to the toll operator with a self satisfied grin and a nonchalant shrug, she will be putty in your hands will thank you profusely and offer to extend your bloodline with a brood of little frogettes, ok I may have embellished a little but you get the picture.......it's easy to use, fits easily in a tank bag and you don't need to take off your gloves to use it, if the toll booth is staffed the teller will take what they need, if it is unstaffed this little device is easy to use yourself even with gloved hands, of course it wil save you no time at all unless all your mates are similarly equipped as I found out recently:augie
 


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