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It's featured in the first episode of "world at war"
French town flattened by Nazis
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On the flip side of the coin,
I have visited this sad place. It got me thinking and a little research done. I eventually found a website dedicated to the unit that was responsible for this atrocious act.
http://www.dasreich.ca/
It says that Oradour was a terrorist hide; they traced the terrorists back to the village, and then attacked the terrorists. Sound familiar? Fallujah. They parallel Oradour with the actions of the US army in that town.
It just seems from what side you look at it from. The Germans say they were terrorists, the Yanks said they were terrorist that were in Fallujah.
I haven’t made any side. I’ve sat on the fence.
I have visited this sad place. It got me thinking and a little research done. I eventually found a website dedicated to the unit that was responsible for this atrocious act.
http://www.dasreich.ca/
It says that Oradour was a terrorist hide; they traced the terrorists back to the village, and then attacked the terrorists. Sound familiar? Fallujah. They parallel Oradour with the actions of the US army in that town.
It just seems from what side you look at it from. The Germans say they were terrorists, the Yanks said they were terrorist that were in Fallujah.
I haven’t made any side. I’ve sat on the fence.
Theres another Oradour twix Cermont and Milau, near Saint-Flour. ... Don't ask how I found out.I can still hear the Frenchies giggling as I wandered out of the bar. Apparently they were having thick roast beef for dinner.
I'll be there next Saturday.
If we're down that way we always try to stop and visit.
Mainly just to pay our respects
Completely untouched apart from weeding etc.....
POI When the few murderous bastards caught, went to trial in 54 [iirc] the french govt suppressed a lot of evidence mainly because majority of the SS brigade were French from the Alsace region...they highest sentance passed was 3 years
That is why the Village refused to let the French war museums have any artifacts, and also [iirc] returned the Legion de Honor awarded by General De Gaulle...
Politicians, same the whole world over
Mainly just to pay our respects
Completely untouched apart from weeding etc.....
POI When the few murderous bastards caught, went to trial in 54 [iirc] the french govt suppressed a lot of evidence mainly because majority of the SS brigade were French from the Alsace region...they highest sentance passed was 3 years
That is why the Village refused to let the French war museums have any artifacts, and also [iirc] returned the Legion de Honor awarded by General De Gaulle...
Politicians, same the whole world over
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Yep Oradour-sur-glane as everyone has said is North West of Limoges just past the Airport.
It is well worth the 7 euros to go into the visitors centre and see all the artifacts and hear the story of the town before the event and leading up to it. However the entrance to the village is free with free parking.
The SS Troops did not commit the crime it was the Ukranian troops seconded to the Pazer Regiment who followed them through who commited the crimes as a sanctioned reprisal for some attrocities commited by the reesistance against the Germans in Tulle another town south of Limoges. You can get a good book on the subject in English from the library in Oradour visitors centre.
I visit many times a year with other bikers as run a B&B just south of Limoges and North of brive www.ridersrest.net. was there just last week.
During World War II, the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, on the outskirts of Limoges, was destroyed and its people were massacred by Nazis. The site of one of the most horrific massacres of the Second World War Oradour-sur-Glane is now a memorial to the events of June 10th, 1944. On that day, Nazi troops killed virtually the entire village population - only six people out of 648 inhabitants survived. to tell this crucial piece of history, part of the village remains the same as it was after it was destroyed, with everything left in place just as it was on that day. The cars are still on the street exactly where they were left, furniture still in place in the houses that survived the fires. Oradour-sur-Glane is truly a unique memorial and one that genuinely evokes the meaning of one of the awful events of that time. Some websites which might be of intrest
http://www.dasreich.ca/oradourindex.html
http://translate.google.com/transla...r-sur-Glane&hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft:en-US
It is well worth the 7 euros to go into the visitors centre and see all the artifacts and hear the story of the town before the event and leading up to it. However the entrance to the village is free with free parking.
The SS Troops did not commit the crime it was the Ukranian troops seconded to the Pazer Regiment who followed them through who commited the crimes as a sanctioned reprisal for some attrocities commited by the reesistance against the Germans in Tulle another town south of Limoges. You can get a good book on the subject in English from the library in Oradour visitors centre.
I visit many times a year with other bikers as run a B&B just south of Limoges and North of brive www.ridersrest.net. was there just last week.
During World War II, the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, on the outskirts of Limoges, was destroyed and its people were massacred by Nazis. The site of one of the most horrific massacres of the Second World War Oradour-sur-Glane is now a memorial to the events of June 10th, 1944. On that day, Nazi troops killed virtually the entire village population - only six people out of 648 inhabitants survived. to tell this crucial piece of history, part of the village remains the same as it was after it was destroyed, with everything left in place just as it was on that day. The cars are still on the street exactly where they were left, furniture still in place in the houses that survived the fires. Oradour-sur-Glane is truly a unique memorial and one that genuinely evokes the meaning of one of the awful events of that time. Some websites which might be of intrest
http://www.dasreich.ca/oradourindex.html
http://translate.google.com/transla...r-sur-Glane&hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft:en-US
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Another web site - http://www.oradour.info/
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My local town, Rouffignac-st-Cernin, in the Dordogne, was also destroyed by the Germans on 31st May 1944. Here they rounded up the people and put all their belongings on trucks to be sent to Germany. The majority of the people survived, but the town was flattened, apart from the church, over a period of 2 days.
Rouffignac was rebuilt after the war, but now lacks the historical buildings that all the surrounding towns and villages have.
Rouffignac was rebuilt after the war, but now lacks the historical buildings that all the surrounding towns and villages have.
Oradour Sur Glane -
I wont add to the well documented stuff above.
But for those considering a visit here is a link to some of my photos.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Karl.Chinnappa/OradourSurGlane?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHF8-Xe9_7xdA&feat=directlink
I wont add to the well documented stuff above.
But for those considering a visit here is a link to some of my photos.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Karl.Chinnappa/OradourSurGlane?authkey=Gv1sRgCMHF8-Xe9_7xdA&feat=directlink
always wanted to see Oradur Sur Glane.
and finally got there a few years ago.
went through the visitors centre - then onto the town itself...
only there for about 20 minutes when i had to leave.
just couldn't take it.
just being in the town brought on weird feelings.
made me feel very anxious / edgy / uncomfortable....
.... ashamed, i think.
thats just completely illogical.
but i would strongly recommend that if you are anywhere near to it - Do Go.
you'll never think of war in the same way.
it wont 'spoil' a holiday - it will make you appreciate the Life we have.
and finally got there a few years ago.
went through the visitors centre - then onto the town itself...
only there for about 20 minutes when i had to leave.
just couldn't take it.
just being in the town brought on weird feelings.
made me feel very anxious / edgy / uncomfortable....
.... ashamed, i think.
thats just completely illogical.
but i would strongly recommend that if you are anywhere near to it - Do Go.
you'll never think of war in the same way.
it wont 'spoil' a holiday - it will make you appreciate the Life we have.
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A bit to the south of Oradour sur Glane there's the remote derelict farm at Gabaudet.
In early June 1944 a large contingent of the French resistance were holding a meeting at the remote farm owned by the Joutet family on the Causse de Quercy near to Gramat. By the 8th June numbers may have been as high as 500. Security doesn't seem to have been very good and with no warning they were surprised by the arrival of the tanks and armoured cars of the SS Division "Das Reich" who were making their way from Montauban (where they had been stationed) up to the north to intercept the Normandy invasion.
The farm was set on fire and 35 Maquis were killed. Madame Joutet and a relation were strapped to the front of the Das Reich convoy as it made its progress to the town of Tulle where they hanged 99 civilians from the lamp-posts and balconies.
The photo shows the main memorial to the dead with a further memorial just in view at the far end of the derelict and overgrown farm building.
The three small lanes up which Das Reich suddenly appeared can be seen as well. This is a very remote spot.
I second the recommendation of the book by Max Hastings "Das Reich" which details the journey they made from Montauban to Normandy. The reasons for Oradour still seem quite controversial and I'm not sure that anyone really understands why it happened. Lots of theories though.
In early June 1944 a large contingent of the French resistance were holding a meeting at the remote farm owned by the Joutet family on the Causse de Quercy near to Gramat. By the 8th June numbers may have been as high as 500. Security doesn't seem to have been very good and with no warning they were surprised by the arrival of the tanks and armoured cars of the SS Division "Das Reich" who were making their way from Montauban (where they had been stationed) up to the north to intercept the Normandy invasion.
The farm was set on fire and 35 Maquis were killed. Madame Joutet and a relation were strapped to the front of the Das Reich convoy as it made its progress to the town of Tulle where they hanged 99 civilians from the lamp-posts and balconies.
The photo shows the main memorial to the dead with a further memorial just in view at the far end of the derelict and overgrown farm building.
The three small lanes up which Das Reich suddenly appeared can be seen as well. This is a very remote spot.
I second the recommendation of the book by Max Hastings "Das Reich" which details the journey they made from Montauban to Normandy. The reasons for Oradour still seem quite controversial and I'm not sure that anyone really understands why it happened. Lots of theories though.
We should also remember the sacrifices of the French nation in other parts of their country.
This memorial, on the D703 between Cénac and La Roque-Gageac reads:
So I remember her.
Greg
This memorial, on the D703 between Cénac and La Roque-Gageac reads:
Here on 26 June 1944
Marie Delteil
Aged 80
Fell victim of Nazi cruelty
Passer-by remember her
Marie Delteil
Aged 80
Fell victim of Nazi cruelty
Passer-by remember her
So I remember her.
Greg
I went to Oradour last Monday. Waited for the centre to open at 09.00hrs and along with a French couple were the only ones there for a while. Whilst obviously moving, what really struck me was the peace and quite. We were just standing on the main road and all you could hear was birdsong.
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A town unchanged?
Greg
- Steps missing?
- Arch rebuilt?
- Chimney rebuilt?
Greg
