Fuel Capacity Mystery....

Yes but I seem to remember fuel strip can be unreliable or not work if it's a later one ? reason Id sooner pop enough extra juice in rather than run out,my bike has worse vibes when it's near empty :augie

Lol then op does state he was doing 90 so bike will drink a bit more at speed :rolleyes: but if it's under warranty get it checked simples :)
 
In these instances, riders aren't running out of fuel. It just isn't getting back to the left hand side of the fuel tank, which is where the fuel delivery pump is fitted.
 
Simple don't let fuel get so low


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It still had 4 litres in the tank:blast


It's just plain wrong that the bike did this and it's not something to compensate for by not using the bikes tank range - by your reckoning if it runs out with 4 litres still in the tank you'd want to add a saftey net on top of that maybe 30 miles so Id be looking to fill when I still have 7 litres in the bike!
 
You might have something there Wreford, I was also caning it down the M6 from Glasgow into a strong headwind when my bike coughed spluttered and died early. Maybe the pump didn't make enough excess pressure to drive the Venturi?


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It was a windy day the bike also had a shyte blanket, and crash bar bags fitted and even though it looks like it had 4 litres left in the tank the range left was dropping quickly and it was only showing 24 miles left so it must have been supping juice at a fair rate at the time it stopped.

I don't know the technicalities behind how these things work but if someone said at times when the bike is particularly brick like and it's guzzling fuel it can beat the pump then I would say that this was one if those occasions - that said I can't be the only person who has asked a GSA to push on a bit when the fuel tank is getting low.
 
Have had problems with fuel for two years. Booked bike into Bristol BMW and left following note on bike:-

“For two years everything worked fine. When the gauge and distance remaining came close to 0 it would run out of fuel - never tried it but ran it close to zero as was leaving bike for three months and didn't want load of fuel in bike, took nearly 32 litres to fill up.

Then it malfunctioned. At about 125 miles to go the range counted down quickly to 25 miles, warning light started flashing at 95 miles. Pulled into PFS at 0 miles, tank took 23 litres so 10 litres still in tank.

BMW Hertford (on way to Greece so not practical to bring it back to Bristol) replaced fuel strip but identical problem persisted . On third or fourth replacement strip and still have identical problem. The dealers have said they will replace strip yet again but I find it hard to believe that three new strips would present the same problem. The dealer seems to be blinkered that it must be the fuel strip as they have a long history of problems.

My only logical thought was that the transfer pump was not working and although I had upwards of 10 litres it was on other side of tank to pump.

Hertford Motorrad assured me that is not the case as a fault code would be displayed. They also assured me that and I quote "whatever the range or fuel gauge was showing the bike would use every last drop of fuel before coming to halt"

Not true! They lied!

Detour on autostrada meant we could not get to service area and next one was some miles away. Same fault. Enough fuel for at least 100 miles, but range counts down quickly to zero, fuel gauge shows empty bike stops. Can hear fuel in tank if I shake bike. Am sure plenty of fuel on right side of tank. Pushing fully laden GSA to find a soft area to lay bike down not easy, nor was picking it up after (well past my prime). Fuel gauge now showing two bars. Bike starts, 15 miles to services, fill up till fuel overflows, bike still only takes 24 litres so about 9 still in tank.

Near Munich called into large BMW Motorrad. Mechanic spent some time ( they are pretty good with travellers)

He said fuel strip working OK You will not get a fault code from the sucking jet pump not working. It has no electrics and relies on the return flow of fuel from the pump to initiate the transfer of fuel from the right side to the left. If I could leave it with them for 2 days they will order and fit complete new pump and a new fuel pump controller. He also told me there was a recall on my bike to check the fuel lines into tank (BMW. UK have not told me this)

We had hotels and ferries booked so could not take up his offer, just filled up every 200 miles. Also didn't want hassle of reclaiming costs from extended warranty and would wait till I could get it back to Bristol

I hope the above will be helpful to you in fixing problem. One of the reasons for buying this bike was the tank range when in remote parts of Europe , for two years we have not had the benefit of this “

Bristol Motorrad fitted new pumps (their words) and did the recall. On run back to London all seems to be working OK. Fuel conted down to 40 miles left before I put in ten quids worth. This gave some very odd readings when fuel strip eventually recognised there was more fuel. Seemed to remember that you should fill tank right up asap when fuel strip has been replaced/refitted, so did this in London, fuel strip immediately registered full, so everything seems to be working correctly at last.
Well done Dick Lovett. All done under extended warranty. Must remove some Brownie points as they pressure washed the bike. All the electrics and Starcom and fusebloc under seat were dripping and Garmin not working. (And my ACF50 was washed away). Now I know bike was covered in dead insects and dust but it had just done 2000 miles. Sun came out on way back to London and everything dried out and works fine.
 
Yes but I seem to remember fuel strip can be unreliable or not work if it's a later one ? reason Id sooner pop enough extra juice in rather than run out,my bike has worse vibes when it's near empty :augie

The OP has nothing to do with the accuracy of the fuel gauge. It makes no difference if the fuel strip was accurate or not and even not working at all, the engine will still stop with fuel still left in the R/H side of the tank if the return flow isn't working.
 
Thanks Jeff...

My bike is now booked into SBW (Hertford now WGC) when I did this they said they'd never come across these symptoms before.... When did your experience with them happen?

Also do you think there could be anything in this being a problem that shows its head when the bike is being pushed along at a pace that means it's guzzling the gas?

Cheers

Wreford
 
My 1150 with adv tank has caught me out twice like that, first time an old lady sold me some petrol for her sons lawn mower, God bless her and the next time I laid the bike down and it got going again and got me a couple of miles to a town with petrol. It has left me not pushing the petrol fairies to far these days. :)
 
I never said he did ??? the above post by Jeff explains what happened to his,what I said if it's under warranty get it checked out !

I'm simply pointing out to you that the bike still had at least 4 litres of fuel in the tank so the accuracy or not of the fuel strip is not linked to why the bike "ran out of fuel". You implied in your post #21 that the fuel strip is relevant to the problem under discussion - why would it be?
 
Thanks Jeff...

My bike is now booked into SBW (Hertford now WGC) when I did this they said they'd never come across these symptoms before.... When did your experience with them happen?

Also do you think there could be anything in this being a problem that shows its head when the bike is being pushed along at a pace that means it's guzzling the gas?

Cheers

Wreford

You have PM
 
Hey they could even fit two fuel taps and have one as reserve. What a novel idea.

Even that system left unused fuel on main tap side. Saved me many a time on old Triumphs when cash strapped teenager, and they were a lot lighter to put on their side and pick up again.
 
do you think there could be anything in this being a problem that shows its head when the bike is being pushed along at a pace that means it's guzzling the gas?

Cheers

Wreford[/QUOTE]

No relevance at all, if it did it would rectify problem when bike not pushed. When I "ran out" of fuel on autostrada we had reduced speed fro 90ish to 40mph to save fuel, still had over 9 litres fuel stuck on side of tank opposite pump when bike stopped.
 
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Popped into SBW this afternoon and spoke to a mechanic...

The automatic assumption seems to be - I ran out of fuel because my gauge was giving me miss information

So I repeat that it was nothing to do with the gauge and that the bike ran out of fuel despite having fuel in the tank, which I know for certain was at least 4 litres because I could only get 29 litres in it when I was taken to a garage by BMW assist.

I'm then told this is a new one to him and they cannot see what the problem could be as there is a linking pipe around the back of the tank which is independant of fuel pumps but they'll take a look - Id be more confident if they had at least heard of occurrences like this.

He reckoned returned fuel went in the right hand side and it came back to the left side via the link pipe around the back which was just a pipe so what could go wrong.
 
This is the "pipe" as shown for my '08 GSA. Not sure if its the same design for later bikes though.


 
So your highly trained mechanic at SBW believes he can rewrite the laws of physics and make liquids flow uphill unaided?

This I gotta see, tell me more!
 
Wreford, this problem may be due to tramping on, Jeff mentioned that the transfer pump is governed by the return fuel. If you are pushing on, and sucking more fuel then less will be returned to the tank. Which would mean less pressure for the transfer pump. Just a thought as I have no experience of the 1200 or its tank internals.
 
So your highly trained mechanic at SBW believes he can rewrite the laws of physics and make liquids flow uphill unaided?

This I gotta see, tell me more!

Agreed, BMW call it a "sucking jet pump" for a reason, if it was just a pipe nothing would happen.
 
Wreford, this problem may be due to tramping on, Jeff mentioned that the transfer pump is governed by the return fuel. If you are pushing on, and sucking more fuel then less will be returned to the tank. Which would mean less pressure for the transfer pump. Just a thought as I have no experience of the 1200 or its tank internals.

In a nutshell.

The solution is to replace the fuel supply pump, there's a thread describing how to on the forum somewhere.
 


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