full lock slow speed turns

[BBB61]

How little you know me and continue to spout, so I'm out

How your arrogance shines through. I don't agree with you so therefore you assume I don't know anything and my viewpoint is worthless.

 

[Wreford Miles]

How little you know me and continue to spout, so I'm out

Looks like this lady is not for turning

 

[Flipfly]

WTF

So it's acceptable to let someone drive a vehicle without being able to control the vehicle properly

That might be why we are in the state we are with the quality of driving around these days.

Driving/Riding is not a right, it is something that should be earned.

Yesterday I had a guy indicate right (no right turn) but turned left. The day before I had various knobhead do silly things, but the best was the guy who couldn't follow the lane he was supposed to be in on a roundabout, and then proceeded to give me abuse for following my lane.

I think that all drivers/riders should be able to show fantastic vehicle control, not just a basic or acceptable level.

A U turn is a basic manouver and if you can't do it, you need to go back to school until you can. It shows balance, throttle and clutch control, control of the rear brake.

You aren't asking for a Steve Colley stunt show

 

[earwig]

......... If you wish to turn to the right you must turn the handlebars to the left, it's called 'counter steering '......

Interesting Have you tried doing this at walking pace whilst slipping the clutch and controlling your speed with the back brake

Let us know how you get on


Counter steering is great ..... if your doing more than about 15mph

 

[Paul Wakefield]

My name is Paul. And I can't do feet up U turns. There. I've said it. I feel sooo much better.

Actually I can but it ain't pretty and certainly not at full lock. Am I a crap rider? Possibly but various assessments over the years haven't said so. I think I'm reasonably competent with quite a few miles under my belt. My slow speed control is quite good as long as it's less than 90 degrees. So why can't I do it? - because I was never taught how to (my test was in the days when you had to ride around the block without falling off in front of the examiner) and because I have so rarely needed to make a U turn that I've never had the need to learn.

Would I like to be able to do so? Well yes but there are other things I would rather hone first.

 

[The Prospector]

Interesting Have you tried doing this at walking pace whilst slipping the clutch and controlling your speed with the back brake

Let us know how you get on


Counter steering is great ..... if your doing more than about 15mph[/QUOTE
Just reiterating what I have been told on a different thread by obviously more experianced riders than myself. There was no minimum speed stated so I assume it counts for all speeds - apparently you turn the bars as hard as possible the opposite way to the direction you wish to turn (Americans actually bend the bars doing this) sounds dangerous to me but it must be done they say
I'm afraid it wasn't invented when I started riding so if we did something that caused us to fall off we didn't do it again, but I'm old school we only did such things when grass tracking

 

[Black Rooster]

What is this shuffling back and forth nonsense ? FFS, you're on a GS, just ride up on the pavement.

+1

 

[Den]

It a hard life being a gser. First I had to learn, that whilst riding in a group of gs's, one cannot under any circumstances, allow the brake light to come on.

I then had to remember, never to stand on the footpegs whilst crossing anything less severe than a desert, or an area of rocks larger than 6" in diameter. NEVER across a section of grass, where tents are erected, even if undulating or muddy.

I had already learned that admitting to riding less than 12000 miles a year is forbidden, or suffer the ridicule of my peers.
This forced me into travelling abroad to accrue a decent annual mileage.

Of course, the rules change occasionally. At first I had to bolt touratech things on, in order to be cool. Now, I have to have no touratech stuff at all in order to be credible.

I will not even venture onto the subject of jackets.

Now, Ive got to do U turns without putting a foot down ... and on full lock !! Whats feckin next ?

It was a far easier life in the sportsbike world. Only two rules there. No chicken strips, and no unscuffed knee sliders.

 

[Nutty]

It a hard life being a gser. First I had to learn, that whilst riding in a group of gs's, one cannot under any circumstances, allow the brake light to come on.

I then had to remember, never to stand on the footpegs whilst crossing anything less severe than a desert, or an area of rocks larger than 6" in diameter. NEVER across a section of grass, where tents are erected, even if undulating or muddy.

I had already learned that admitting to riding less than 12000 miles a year is forbidden, or suffer the ridicule of my peers.
This forced me into travelling abroad to accrue a decent annual mileage.

Of course, the rules change occasionally. At first I had to bolt touratech things on, in order to be cool. Now, I have to have no touratech stuff at all in order to be credible.

I will not even venture onto the subject of jackets.

Now, Ive got to do U turns without putting a foot down ... and on full lock !! Whats feckin next ?

It was a far easier life in the sportsbike world. Only two rules there. No chicken strips, and no unscuffed knee sliders.

Very good!

 

[BBB61]

A U turn is a basic manouver and if you can't do it, you need to go back to school until you can. It shows balance, throttle and clutch control, control of the rear brake.

When my wife took her IAM test in May she was advised to do some figure of eights and U turn practice to demonstrate low speed control, but when she took her test she encountered a fair bit of heavy traffic and did plenty of filtering. On getting back to the test starting point, and expecting to have to carry out a slow speed manoeuvre, her examiner told her he had seen plenty of low speed riding and that she had shown she had the necessary balance, throttle and clutch control and proper use of the rear brake and he didn't need to see additional exercise when she had already demonstrated she could ride the bike slowly and in full control.

Of course, what would an advanced police instructor and examiner know about these sort of things anyway.

 

[iandavid]

Surely riding down to a mini roundabout and doing a 360 to go back the way you came would constitute an example of where a rider needs to be able to do a u turn competently. ?.I certainly think so. What's the radius of the wee whilte circle in the centre usually. ?

Funny that because I hate doing U turns (I can do them but will avoid if possible) but I find 360deg turns at a mini roundabout a piece of piss and never give them a second thought. It's all about confidence.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

It was a far easier life in the sportsbike world.

Only two rules there.

No chicken strips, and no unscuffed knee sliders.

You see loads of them, in a sportsbike land

 

[Flipfly]

When my wife took her IAM test in May she was advised to do some figure of eights and U turn practice to demonstrate low speed control, but when she took her test she encountered a fair bit of heavy traffic and did plenty of filtering. On getting back to the test starting point, and expecting to have to carry out a slow speed manoeuvre, her examiner told her he had seen plenty of low speed riding and that she had shown she had the necessary balance, throttle and clutch control and proper use of the rear brake and he didn't need to see additional exercise when she had already demonstrated she could ride the bike slowly and in full control.

Of course, what would an advanced police instructor and examiner know about these sort of things anyway.

I have no idea about advanced police instructors do I

My point is, slow speed control is a fundamental aspect of vehicle control, if you can't perform a basic manoeuvre, you shouldn't have a license. If we stopped handing out licenses to people with no idea how to control a vehicle, we might see less accidents and make better progress

 

[Paul Wakefield]

My point is, slow speed control is a fundamental aspect of vehicle control, if you can't perform a basic manoeuvre, you shouldn't have a license. If we stopped handing out licenses to people with no idea how to control a vehicle, we might see less accidents and make better progress

I have no idea how I've survived so long.

 

[Wreford Miles]

When my wife took her IAM test in May she was advised to do some figure of eights and U turn practice to demonstrate low speed control, but when she took her test she encountered a fair bit of heavy traffic and did plenty of filtering. On getting back to the test starting point, and expecting to have to carry out a slow speed manoeuvre, her examiner told her he had seen plenty of low speed riding and that she had shown she had the necessary balance, throttle and clutch control and proper use of the rear brake and he didn't need to see additional exercise when she had already demonstrated she could ride the bike slowly and in full control.

Of course, what would an advanced police instructor and examiner know about these sort of things anyway.

I looks like everyone is in violent agreement on the need for the necessary balance, throttle and clutch control and proper use of the rear brake etc...

The example above meant the examiner had the opportunity to see these skills in action...

But if he'd not then having the learner complete a U-Turn is a great way to observer them and having a new rider understand why these skills are so important and why doing a U-turn is a great why of showing to others and yourself how well you're doing in this area can only be a good thing...

 

[BBB61]

I have no idea about advanced police instructors do I

No you clearly don't. If you had some idea you would know that an advanced police motorcycle instructor conducting an IAM test was able to assess my wife's slow speed control of the bike in heavy traffic to the point where he deemed it unnecessary to carry out additional exercises, such as a U-turn, as he had seen more than enough to determine she did have good low speed control.

My point is, slow speed control is a fundamental aspect of vehicle control, if you can't perform a basic manoeuvre, you shouldn't have a license. If we stopped handing out licenses to people with no idea how to control a vehicle, we might see less accidents and make better progress

You are talking out of your arse (there seems to be a theme here) and showing that you are clueless on this. Plenty of people can ride their bikes at walking pace speed under control in heavy traffic, yet you are saying if they can't do a U-turn they shouldn't have a licence? What a load of bollocks!

 

[Noo]

If you think that a rider is not capable because they don't want to do a U turn

Oh surely it’s the other way around, riders choose not to do a u turn, because they can’t!
The opportunity to make a tight turn crops up all the time, so rather than ride on until you find a suitable forecourt/roundabout (and I’m not knocking that, I’ve done it often enough), If you are capable of making a quick U turn there and then, why wouldn’t you?

 

[BBB61]

Oh surely it’s the other way around, riders choose not to do a u turn, because they can’t!

Or because their bike isn't capable (limited steering lock, heavy bike fully loaded with passenger), or they prefer to carry out a safer manoeuvre rather than turn across traffic coming from behind and also coming towards them.

The opportunity to make a tight turn crops up all the time, so rather than ride on until you find a suitable forecourt/roundabout (and I’m not knocking that, I’ve done it often enough), If you are capable of making a quick U turn there and then, why wouldn’t you?

Why would you want to carry out a quick turn all the time? What sort of riding do you do that you need to do u turns all the time?

 

[Noo]

Or because their bike isn't capable (limited steering lock, heavy bike fully loaded with passenger), or they prefer to carry out a safer manoeuvre rather than turn across traffic coming from behind and also coming towards them.




Why would you want to carry out a quick turn all the time? What sort of riding do you do that you need to do u turns all the time?

That's just a weak argument, you can attempt a turning circle that's too tight for any vehicle, and doesn't come into it.


for what it's worth, I don't always make an A to B journey, sometimes I invesigate, look up here, see what's down there, If it's not very interesting I may turn around.
Perhaps even a U turn,.......... just 'cos I can

 

[BBB61]

That's just a weak argument, you can attempt a turning circle that's too tight for any vehicle, and doesn't come into it.

Not a weak argument at all and it is a valid point.

for what it's worth, I don't always make an A to B journey, sometimes I invesigate, look up here, see what's down there, If it's not very interesting I may turn around.
Perhaps even a U turn,.......... just 'cos I can

Even on routine journeys such as the commute to work? I suspect you are being obtuse for the sake of it