full lock slow speed turns

[Noo]

Even on routine journeys such as the commute to work? I suspect you are being obtuse for the sake of it

Read it again!

 

[Smug]

Methinks that BBB61 doth protest too much. I wonder why?

 

[MEDICMAN]

Not a weak argument at all and it is a valid point.




Even on routine journeys such as the commute to work? I suspect you are being obtuse for the sake of it

Errrrr, What does 'obtuse' mean mister?

 

[Myke Rocks]

Just a thought.

I negotiate this hairpin in Newry on a several times a day basis. You have to learn how to do full lock feet up turns to do it on a motorcycle,
The slope at the turn means you could not do a "paddle" even if you wanted to.
Myke

 

[Wrinkly]

Get a SAT NAV... mines always telling me to do U turns.

I'm reasonably proficient at them now.

Steve

 

[The Grey One]

I negotiate this hairpin in Newry on a several times a day basis. You have to learn how to do full lock feet up turns to do it on a motorcycle,
The slope at the turn means you could not do a "paddle" even if you wanted to.
Myke

Call that a hairpin? You should see some we have around here.

Yesterday I rode a guest's Laverda 750, doing a U turn on that requires a fair bit of space to say the least. I couldn't do it on our car park and the owner said he would not try it either. If you only ride a GS you can forget about the differences between bikes when it come to slow speed manoeuvring.

Surely what matters is that people perform such turns safely. If they don't feel confident to do a feet up U turn (and I certainly didn't on the Laverda) then finding somewhere with more space must be the better option and does nobody any harm

John

 

[GSWizz]

Practice

I spent some time on Thursday up at Kenley aerodrome just practising slow turns and coming to a stop and putting my left foot down. I am getting there. I find right hand turns a lot easier than left turns. I forgot to hang over the edge of seat opposite to the way I was turning. I get looking back over your shoulder to where you want to go. I am still not happy with getting the right feel from the back brake and toying with the idea of lower footrests to try and improve it. I believe that the slow speed control is central to having confidence on the tall and heavy GS.

 

[Flipfly]

No you clearly don't. If you had some idea you would know that an advanced police motorcycle instructor conducting an IAM test was able to assess my wife's slow speed control of the bike in heavy traffic to the point where he deemed it unnecessary to carry out additional exercises, such as a U-turn, as he had seen more than enough to determine she did have good low speed control.

Dad was a qualified police instructor

He taught me to ride and would be ashamed if I couldn't do a feet up U turn.

As for the IAM test, if the instructor is happy that's all well and good, but the IAM test is nowhere near the detail of the Police advanced test.

If she showed good machine control, then good on her, but I still believe that a tight, feet up, U turn is a good display of machine control and something that we should all have the capability of doing. There are quite a few bikes where a full lock U turn is virtually impossible thanks to hand/tank interface, but they are in a minority.

Dad always said "any idiot can open a throttle and go fast in a straight line, it takes skill to control a bike properly".

As for taking out of my arse, you think what you like, but it sounds like your taking it out on me because it's a skill I have and one that you don't

 

[Engineer]

so how do you do them without falling over?

I passed my test when the emergency stop was the examiner leaping from behind a parked car so I have never done the bike control training that I believe is in the current set up. As a result my U turns are usually Z turns often with several Zs.

I wouldn't bother is I was you - my test was the same as yours and it didn't do me any harm I avoid full-lock slow speed turns because they are never necessary - just do it the way you are comfortable with.

 

[philthy]

The problem here is your all giving the wrong advice. If you wish to turn to the right you must turn the handlebars to the left, it's called 'counter steering 'and apparently a motorbike will not turn unless you do this. For a full explanation read the 'balls of the feet' thread.

Thank you for the above advice, which I followed on my journey to work this morning.

I have to admit that the chap driving his van to my left as I negotiated a right turn on a roundabout was very understanding about the scrape and dent on his otherwise immaculate vehicle. He even helped me pick the GS up. The insurance company have also been very helpful.

But for now, when I collect my bike from the repairers I may return to my old habit of turning the handlebars to the right when making a right turn. I do hope you will forgive me.

 

[cookie]

when I collect my bike from the repairers I may return to my old habit of turning the handlebars to the right when making a right turn. I do hope you will forgive me.

your problem is that you don't actual know what you are doing when turning

there is no doubt whatsoever that, above walking pace, if you turn the bars to the left, the bike will steer to right.

please ignore the above if you in fact do know what you are doing and are just taking the piss. i couldn't tell.

 

[BBB61]

Dad was a qualified police instructor

That was your dad, not you.

As for the IAM test, if the instructor is happy that's all well and good, but the IAM test is nowhere near the detail of the Police advanced test.

I never said it was, but you are ignoring the fact an advanced police instructor saw enough of my wife's slow speed control to deem it unnecessary to ask her to do additional slow speed exercises.

If she showed good machine control, then good on her, but I still believe that a tight, feet up, U turn is a good display of machine control and something that we should all have the capability of doing. There are quite a few bikes where a full lock U turn is virtually impossible thanks to hand/tank interface, but they are in a minority.

There are quite a few bikes out there with limited steering locks that make u-turns impractical. Yet you still bang on that people shouldn't have a full licence if they can't do a U-turn. A stupid and blinkered opinion.

Dad always said "any idiot can open a throttle and go fast in a straight line, it takes skill to control a bike properly".

And you don't need to be able to do a u turn to demonstrate good control of a bike.

As for taking out of my arse, you think what you like, but it sounds like your taking it out on me because it's a skill I have and one that you don't

And you know what they say about assumptions. I can do u-turns easily, but you have assumed I can't do them because I hold the view that they are not an essential part of the riders skills toolkit.

 

[BBB61]

Methinks that BBB61 doth protest too much. I wonder why?

If you think it's because I can't do a U-turn then think again

 

[philthy]

your problem is that you don't actual know what you are doing when turning

there is no doubt whatsoever that, above walking pace, if you turn the bars to the left, the bike will steer to right.

please ignore the above if you in fact do know what you are doing and are just taking the piss. i couldn't tell.

It was in jest

 

[cookie]

It was in jest

thank fuck for that

 

[Smug]

If you think it's because I can't do a U-turn then think again

You took two weeks to reply. Have you been practising?

 

[johnnyboy]

If you think it's because I can't do a U-turn then think again

FFS will you give it a rest. We know how you feel about U-turns now. Some people have a different opinion, nothing new in that. Go back to the very first post; the OP asked how to do slow speed U-turns, not whether your feckin' wife had to do them during during her IAM test.

 

[BBB61]

You took two weeks to reply. Have you been practising?

Nope, I don't need to

 

[BBB61]

FFS will you give it a rest. We know how you feel about U-turns now. Some people have a different opinion, nothing new in that. Go back to the very first post; the OP asked how to do slow speed U-turns, not whether your feckin' wife had to do them during during her IAM test.

And some people still seem to voice their opinion on them, but I don't notice you chastising them about keeping the thread going. What's your problem, did someone piss on your cornflakes this morning?

 

[johnnyboy]

And some people still seem to voice their opinion on them, but I don't notice you chastising them about keeping the thread going. What's your problem, did someone piss on your cornflakes this morning?

I'm not the one with the problem, try looking a bit closer to home.