Garmin Zumo 550 or TomTom rider 2

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As the title says, anybody have experience of both. Which has the best speed camera alerts, best route planning on computer, clearest instructions etc.
Any coments would be helpfull.
I now have a Garmin 2720, are the above any better ??
Thanks.
 
Hi Rod, I would like an anwser to your question as well, I have used a Garmin 2610 and i currently use an original Tomtom Go. IMHO the Tomtom is head and shoulders above the Garmin for ease of use and screen graphics, far quicker to set up and much more user friendly. Sattelite lock on is 2 to 3 times faster than the 2610. Have been thinking for ages about a new Sat nav thats waterproof but not sure whether to go for a Zumo or Rider, anybody used both?

Thanks in advance
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i too am wondering

I'm picking up my first GS (800) in early March and am getting some kit beforehand. Not sure which of these to go for myself, so any advice would be much appreciated.
 
I have owned and used both.
I bought a Zumo 550 in September and found it nothing but frustrating, It kept taking me on wild goose chases (1. I don't particularly like geese, 2. before the Zumo brigade arrive telling me I had it set up wrong..........I didn't, it really was the unit) The audible instructions are poor as are the screen prompts. The refresh rate of the map is too slow to the extent that you have missed the turning you were supposed to go down. I'm sure if you wanted to spent weeks on you're PC (not Mac as the software isn't supported) planing a route across europe and taking a laptop with you to upload routes. Or you want to take it miles and miles off road and like to follow the trail of breadcrumbs then maybe it becomes a better piece of kit......... I wanted a GPS that I could ask to take me somewhere and it did it without fuss. That's not what I got with my Zumo. I sold mine on here and it got snapped up real quick.

I immediately replaced it with a TomTom Rider V2 Europe. What a breath of fresh air, The mapping is great, The map refresh rate is quick, The audible instructions are detailed and give decent clear commands in plenty of time and not once has it taken me off at a motorway off-slip only to take me back down the on-slip and back on the motorway!

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120497

For me it's a total no brainer!
 
Rider 2 supported by Mac?

I'm sure if you wanted to spent weeks on you're PC (not Mac as the software isn't supported) planing a route across europe and taking a laptop with you to upload routes.

I immediately replaced it with a TomTom Rider V2 Europe. What a breath of fresh air, The mapping is great, The map refresh rate is quick, The audible instructions are detailed and give decent clear commands in plenty of time and not once has it taken me off at a motorway off-slip only to take me back down the on-slip and back on the motorway!

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120497

For me it's a total no brainer!

Tunneruk, is the rider 2 supported on Mac? I don't want anything that is solely PC compatible. Helpful review though, thanks.
 
I originally had a Rider and suffered from the common bracket failure coupled with Tomtom's aweful service. I bought a Garmin 2720 as I needed a working satnav quicker than Tomtom could fix the Rider. I now have a Rider Mark 2 as well as a replaced Mark 1 (free gift, eventually, from Tomtom after I complained to big boss). I also have an HP Ipaq which has a built in gps and Tomtom Navigator software.

I don't have experience of the Zumo but as a comparison between Tomtom and Garmin, to me, it's a no brainer. Garmin every time.

The Rider Mark 2 bracket is a massive improvement as is the supplied RAM mount. I am not sure about the change from the Bluetooth dongle to the Cardo headset though. I found it a sod to fit on a helmet. My BMW System 5, Schueberth C2 and wife's BMW System 4 all needed slots cut in the neck skirt to fit it and it's a pain having to remember to fiddle the microphone up under the helmet (before putting gloves on) every time. Also it's the base model supplied so if you need rider/pillion comms it's no good.

As Tomtom have still failed to include an audio out socket Bluetooth is the only way to get sound out so if you use an Autocom, etc. you throw away the £80 Cardo and spend £80 on another Bluetooth dongle.

If you need to use the Rider in a car as well the Rider 2 car bracket is much better than the Mark 1 as it includes a speaker. Unfortunately they designed the arm on the suction mount too short so its a bugger to clip the satnav on if the car has a sloping screen (99% of cars).

If you travel in Europe the Garmin European mapping covers more countries than that supplied with the Rider. Tomtom have nothing to compete with Mapsource and I find Garmin software much more intuitive to use.

My experience of back up service is for Tomtom to take eight weeks to replace the original Rider and Garmin replaced a 2720 which I damaged (my fault) by return of post and free of charge.

Nothing to choose between them on speed camera alerts. I use pocketGPS on the Garmin and have used them on the Tomtom 1. As Tomtom gave us a free subscription to their's on the Mark 2 we use those for now. If you use PocketGPS files they are easier to install on the Garmin (using POI Loader software) than they are on the Tomtom which requires the files to be copied across on the computer, then the alert distances and tones set up manually on each one.

If you want traffic info the Garmin is much better (not so useful on a bike but can be in a car). A one off price to buy the adaptor gives me constantly updated info on the Garmin. The Tomtom system requires a subscription (again we have a free one) and requires a data call via mobile phone every time you want the alerts updated. I found it a sod to set up my phone to work with this and it took about six calls to Vodaphone to get it to work.

The installed POIs are pretty good on both but there are many more on the web for Tomtom than Garmin. Never found a lot of use for these though apart brom BMW dealers. Do I really need a list of Ikeas or B&Q Warehouse on my satnav!

In clear conditions the Garmin gets a fix quicker but the Tomtom will hold a fix better in poor conditions. Maybe the more recent Zumo is better here. In practice I have no problems with either. We have set them both to find the same destination and there are sometimes minor differences in routing but both are sensible. One potential problem with the Garmin is that it's possible to "tweak" routing preferences. Sounds good but it invariably seems better to work with defaults.

The Rider 2 gets used on my wife's bike and car occasionally, the Garmin is used all the time and has proved itself all over Europe. I don't think the 'extras' on the Zumo are worth changing from the 2720 but if I was considering changing it would definately be a Garmin again.

not once has it taken me off at a motorway off-slip only to take me back down the on-slip and back on the motorway!

Intersting that a Zumo did this. My 2720 never has!

I'm sure if you wanted to spent weeks on you're PC (not Mac as the software isn't supported) planing a route across europe and taking a laptop with you to upload routes.

This is one area I have found vastly better on the Garmin. I don't know where "weeks on a PC" come in but when we wanted to plan an eight country trip around Europe the Garmin Mapsource software was great. Click on waypoints on the map, make them into a route (couple of clicks), transfer the route to the Garmin (two clicks), job done. Try doing this on a Tomtom, it's a long frustrating job doing it on the little touch screen. It was so easy that I bought a small Philips Freevents laptop that would fit in the top box and we found planning from hotel rooms to be very quick and easy.
 
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I have a zhumo 550 its never taken me anywhere i didnt want to go I find the refresh rate more than fast enough for 100 mph touring and as for the computer the unit will take you anyplace in 23 contries just using on board software I have used it on 3 tours through europe and it has got me there without fuss evry time :thumb2
 
garmin V Tomtom Routing

We often hear comment on satnavs coming up with, what seem like, odd routing but maybe they sometimes know best - and Garmin knows better!!

Here is an example.

Shortly after I got my Garmin my wife and I needed to take a group of teenagers from Edenbridge, Kent to Central London in the evening rush hour.

It's a trip we had done many times and the route seemed obvious. Straight north to the A25 then A22/A23 into London.

As an experiment I set a destination in my Garmin and my wife did the same on the Rider in her car and we both agreed to follow whatever the satnav told us to do.

The Tomtom came up with exactly the same route we had used for years and was the obvious route when checked on a map. Total distance 28 miles. 10/10 for Tomtom.

The Garmin immediately took me in the wrong direction on a strange route to Sevenoaks, onto the M25 towards Dartford crossing, then the A2 through the Blackwell Tunnel and a left turn through the City and West End to our destination, which was Victoria. Total Distance 48 miles. 0/10 for Garmin - BUT

I did the journey quicker than I ever had and my wife arrived 45 minutes later!!

Maps of both routes produced from Mapsource (see http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/clift/satnav route.html). Interestingly the estimated times are 59 minutes for the Tomtom route and 56 minutes for the Garmin route, which is nearly twice the distance. In fact the travel time for the Garmin route was pretty accurate but while I was cruising along 50, 60 and 70 mph roads my wife spent most of her time on 30 mph roads, waiting at traffic lights and stuck in traffic.

Both satnavs calculated the routes based on their default settings.
 
The Garmin immediately took me in the wrong direction on a strange route to Sevenoaks, onto the M25 towards Dartford crossing, then the A2 through the Blackwell Tunnel and a left turn through the City and West End to our destination, which was Victoria. Total Distance 48 miles. 0/10 for Garmin - BUT


Both satnavs calculated the routes based on their default settings.

The Garmin was takin yo on an adventure!..............is that not what we want?..............I do find that you get all manner of 'interesting' routes depending on what preferences you have set. I still prefer the build, design and style of the Garmin units over the other manufacturers. They definately seem to be the standard in all manner of specialist industries.
 
I do find that you get all manner of 'interesting' routes

If I want quick I choose Quickest, if I want interesting I choose shortest but I have found it best to leave all the routing and speed preferences at the default settings.

Ibn my example about it was just the default settibngs with the "quickest" route chosen. It may have been nearly twice the distance of the Tonmtom suggestion but it was after driving it, it was clearly the best route,.

Garmin are the clear leaders, everything else is just a poor copy.
 
Garmin's after sales service is very good indeed

Agreed. When I damaged the screen of my 2720, by putting in a pocket with a bunch of keys, I phoned Garmin (no problem getting through) to ask the cost of repairs.

I was told to send it to them and they would let me know. They apologied that they were very busy and it could take up to 14 days. Stuck it in a Jiffy bag and sent it with a letter confirming I wanted to know the cost before repairs were carried out.

TWO DAYS later a courier arrived with a big box containing a full new retail packed 2720 with a free of charge invoice. They had not just replaced the basic satnav I had sent back but sent everything so I now have, two chargers, car speakers, remotes, car mounts and software.

Compare that with Tomtom who took eight weeks to replace a Rider with a guarantee fault, did not reply to email questions and were almost impossible to get through to on the phone.
 


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