Government compulsory bike training.

[J.F. Sebastian]

Found this today and was shocked at the fatality figures in Ireland for bikers...is the answer compulsory training?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2009/1118/1224259033501.html

 

[Aidan1150]

..is the answer compulsory training?

It may be JF, but only as part of a complete overhaul and tightening of the training and testing regime for all drivers. This craic of unaccompanied, inexperienced and largely untrained L drivers scooting about the country has to change.

 

[T900]

the sooner the better its introduced.......

 

[electric_monk]

Some glaring errors in that report....there were not 2000 bikers killed in ireland in the eight years between 1996 and 2003.

In 2005 almost 50% of the motorcyclists killed died in single vehicle accidents.....no one else to blame there. So CBT should help with this level of the statistics.
Compulsory training for all road users is coming in .... In theory that should help us all.

 

[(RIP) Bin Ridin]

Compulsory training and re-testing every 5 years would be a help...it is that serious.

 

[ghost]

Compulsory training for all road users is coming in .... In theory that should help us all.[/QUOTE]

it's in already for bus and truckdrivers,one day a year trainin, as long as you wish to drive for livin.yet others can fail a road test,and still drive home.

 

[GSless Girl]

It puzzles me that motorcyclists are restricted in the power of motorcycle they can drive for the duration of the provisional licence and for 2 years after passing test ( I don't have an issue with this ) but this same rule has never been considered to my knowledge for car drivers who at 17 years can drive any size car and only up to recently its only been inforced they must have a full licenced driver with them.
I know some of you are working in this area has anything like this ever been considered, other than curfews.

 

[Nailer]

The Rsa in conjunction with the Dept of Transport are working on a graduated licence which will restrict the movements of learner and novice drivers . this will include the size of car they can drive , the hours of the day that they can drive etc.

Check this out

http://www.wicklow.ie/Apps/WicklowBeta/RoadSafety/GradLicence.aspx

 

[electric_monk]

And don't even start me on the hi-viz for learners, that is the door firmly open for compulsory Hi-viz for all......

We all need to support MAG Ireland in opposing it now, because once it comes in, we will not get it out again. It is in the RSA's Strategy...

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.....

It puzzles me that motorcyclists are restricted in the power of motorcycle they can drive for the duration of the provisional licence and for 2 years after passing test ( I don't have an issue with this ) but this same rule has never been considered to my knowledge for car drivers who at 17 years can drive any size car and only up to recently its only been inforced they must have a full licenced driver with them.
I know some of you are working in this area has anything like this ever been considered, other than curfews.

 

[(RIP) Bin Ridin]

I think the car insurance rates for higher power were regarded as a regulation of sorts on what a Learner would get to drive. For bikes, the difference in insurance was not enough to stop the dafties buying and riding the 1L sportsbikes which they could ride on a provisional up to about 10 years ago.

The little training I have done has definitely been worthwhile, I will continue to do more when I can.

 

[Kanazawa]

There should be a training day every year or two,None of us are perfect.You will always improve by doing these courses if it makes you a better rider and saves your life why not bring it in but lets face it its not going to happen.alot of talk and no action from all bodies concerned.

 

[electric_monk]

None of us are perfect

We haven't met yet, have we?....

 

[GSless Girl]

And don't even start me on the hi-viz for learners, that is the door firmly open for compulsory Hi-viz for all......

We all need to support MAG Ireland in opposing it now, because once it comes in, we will not get it out again. It is in the RSA's Strategy...

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.....

I did hear a mention somewhere about hi vis colour for all. Done Bike Safe a while back guard on day was impressed with my electric pink urban glow vest he said it was the most visable vest he'd seen in a long time. It does stand out a mile, I chose it cause it was pink !

 

[Ravenbyrne]

I did hear a mention somewhere about hi vis colour for all. Done Bike Safe a while back guard on day was impressed with my electric pink urban glow vest he said it was the most visable vest he'd seen in a long time. It does stand out a mile, I chose it cause it was pink !

He must have really been impressed cause your photograph is in this months issue of Bike Buyers Guide.

 

[GSless Girl]

He must have really been impressed cause your photograph is in this months issue of Bike Buyers Guide.

your joking

 

[Kanazawa]

We haven't met yet, have we?....

Took me a minute nice reply

 

[electric_monk]

Took me a minute nice reply

And don't think i'm joking either.....just ask my wife...

 

[Ravenbyrne]

your joking

no I'm not...............

page 28 piccy of you and one of the Garda bike instructors

 

[Spear Ruler]

Compulsory training for all road users is coming in .... In theory that should help us all.

it's in already for bus and truckdrivers,one day a year trainin, as long as you wish to drive for livin.yet others can fail a road test,and still drive home.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately David this is not necessary for this level of driver who drives for state e.g. HSE paid drivers of Organisations funded by HSE or other Govt dept. I decided to out all our drivers on this but is not required by law.

As for the learners who are not allowed to drive unless accompanied by a full licensed driver, it is not being enforced. I still remind my 20 year old not to get into her friends cars at least 5 of whom are driving own cars on Learner Permits and no full licensed driver with them and most have had no formal training either.

But where it is most daft is that the day you do pass the test you can travel on motorways where the new driver has no training or (supposedly) experience. As an M50 daily comuter it is evident that few Irish drivers know how to drive on a motorway. It is one scarey place.

End of rant!!

 

[Patventure]

Motorways...

No one gets any training on motorways, which wasn't such a big issue in Ireland until recently. But with dual carriageways having so much more going on (tractors, T-junction entrances, roundabouts etc), one would think that ability on them would lead to capability on motorways. It is obvious, though, that this isn't the case.

The worst thing is not using indicators, which seems to happen more with experienced drivers. Then there are the people who think that using an indicator means that you have divine right to move out. Bike-mounted rocket-launcher please!

Patrick.