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Jon sorry I realised why you aked me the above post is a typo I meant to say I am going for the 2610
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Richie said:
I agree with Richie 100%. That principle applies to just about any consumer electronics purchase - never buy out of date equipment, plain and simple. The shorter useful life of the out of date equipment more than negates any cost savings you might think exist.
The SP III works perfectly, it's a great GPSR. The problem with it - same as the problem with the 276 - is that it is limited to 256 megs of memory. In another year or 18 months, that won't be enough to hold a set of up to date maps for the trip to the continent you plan to make. Heck, for some of us, it's not enough to hold a set of maps for trips we are making today!
I've been following this conversation with interest, and deliberately staying out of it, because you guys have been figuring it out on your own pretty well. I agree with Mutley's choice of the 2610. That's the right one. Just be sure you get a European (Atlantic) one, don't get sucked into one of those "buy an Americas one and pirate a map" ideas that some folks have been advocating. That will only cause you problems, pain, suffering, and extra expense in the future.
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I agree with Richie 100%. That principle applies to just about any consumer electronics purchase - never buy out of date equipment, plain and simple. The shorter useful life of the out of date equipment more than negates any cost savings you might think exist.
The SP III works perfectly, it's a great GPSR. The problem with it - same as the problem with the 276 - is that it is limited to 256 megs of memory. In another year or 18 months, that won't be enough to hold a set of up to date maps for the trip to the continent you plan to make. Heck, for some of us, it's not enough to hold a set of maps for trips we are making today!
I've been following this conversation with interest, and deliberately staying out of it, because you guys have been figuring it out on your own pretty well. I agree with Mutley's choice of the 2610. That's the right one. Just be sure you get a European (Atlantic) one, don't get sucked into one of those "buy an Americas one and pirate a map" ideas that some folks have been advocating. That will only cause you problems, pain, suffering, and extra expense in the future.
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PanEuropean said:
I would agree, with one proviso: Never buy the latest thing as soon as it is out. You get to pay the early adopter's premium. Wait for a while (2-6 months is usually enough, depending on the item).
For example, whenever I buy a new PC, I never buy the fast possible chip. I usually go for the 2nd or 3rd fastest, as this cuts the cost by 20-50%. And those savings can be put into something more useful.
(A bit off topic, but still).
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Just found a GPSMAP 276C for £519.95 inc vat at expansys.com
Looks very good. What else would I need other than a mount?
Andrew.
Looks very good. What else would I need other than a mount?
Andrew.
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Pan, David Richie and all thanks a lot.
David you are right though thats why I waited so long the 2610 is only going to cost me £570 and when I was 1st researching it was near 900 odd, so although I need a mount and afew cables I thinks its a good buy, plus with the chance to upgrade to a 1 or 2gb CFC its just to good to be true, & I reckon I will use it for a few years.
I just need to work out the remote thing, although I have reseached through the posts and Pan your fingers must be hurting due to all the typing 
thanks for all your info.
Jon you will enjoy it no doubt, although I have not physically ordered today as I have only just made my mind up 100% 2610 is for me, and luckily I have cecilthecat as my tech support as well as you lot.
Many thanks
Mutley
David you are right though thats why I waited so long the 2610 is only going to cost me £570 and when I was 1st researching it was near 900 odd, so although I need a mount and afew cables I thinks its a good buy, plus with the chance to upgrade to a 1 or 2gb CFC its just to good to be true, & I reckon I will use it for a few years.
I just need to work out the remote thing, although I have reseached through the posts and Pan your fingers must be hurting due to all the typing
thanks for all your info.Jon you will enjoy it no doubt, although I have not physically ordered today as I have only just made my mind up 100% 2610 is for me, and luckily I have cecilthecat as my tech support
as well as you lot.Many thanks
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You need the City Navigator software (a couple of hundred quid, if memory serves) and expansys isn't offering it ....
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Mutley, if you want to turn your 2610 into something resembling a BMW Navigator II (i.e. with push buttons and stuff) check the Perfect Cradle. For a couple of hundred pounds, you get a very nice system, perfect for mounting on a bike, and with buttons for scrolling, zooming, etc.
These things are manufactured by a Dutch company, with a very good reputation in Holland, so worth a look.
Good luck!
David
These things are manufactured by a Dutch company, with a very good reputation in Holland, so worth a look.
Good luck!
David
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AndyB said:
Map software
Mount
PowerCable
Oh and by the way 450£ at sportextreme
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Andy B: Stay away from the 276, it's not an appropriate choice for someone who intends to use it for primarily automotive (including motorcycle) use. The base 276 kit that you saw advertised is complete and ready to use for marine applications, but for automotive applications, you need to buy a fairly expensive automotive kit, which includes the CitySelect (not CityNavigator) software and a data chip to store the maps on. Even if you spend all that money - which takes you up to pretty close to the price of a SP 2610 - you are still stuck with a GPSR that only has 128 megs of memory for map storage, and a maximum of 256 megs if you want to spend another £150 on an additional chip.
If your budget doesn't allow for a SP 2610, then have a look at the smaller handheld GPSR's in the "Outdoor" product line. Some of these support automatic route generation and come with the cartography (CitySelect) included. Don't make the mistake of looking in the "Marine" product category for a less expensive substitute for an "Automotive" category GPSR. That's like deciding you want to do off-road motorcycle riding, and then buying a 1200cc crotch rocket because it's cheaper than the new 1200GS. Better to buy a 650GS instead, if you get my drift.
David Emmett: Your comment about waiting a while until the price of a new product decreases (the 'early adopters' premium) is valid for any consumer electronics, GPSRs included. But, the remark you made about "not buying the fastest chip, but the second or third fastest" doesn't transfer over to the world of GPSRs. In the computer market, there are probably 30 different chip speeds to choose from, so buying number two or number three still leaves you in the top 5%. In the GPSR market, there are only about 3 different speeds in production at any one time, so buying the second or third fastest could easily leave you 3 years behind the times. The third fastest GPSR available right now is the SP III.
Richie: Do you think there might be a reason why all these dealers are blowing out the 276s right now? Think about that carefully, especially in light of the recommendations I have made recently about 276s. Read between the lines, OK?
Finally, if anyone wants a remote control (i.e. additional buttons) for a SP 26xx on a motorcycle, spend £3 on some Velcro and stick the remote that comes with the SP 26xx on the handlebars. That's what I did about 5 months ago - works great, I have never removed it, and it's a heck of a lot less expensive than either the BMW Nav II or the Dutch product. If you discover that you love the extra buttons, but really truly want them right beside your GPSR, you're only out of pocket £3. If you discover that you really don't use the extra buttons that much, you've saved £200.
PanEuropean
If your budget doesn't allow for a SP 2610, then have a look at the smaller handheld GPSR's in the "Outdoor" product line. Some of these support automatic route generation and come with the cartography (CitySelect) included. Don't make the mistake of looking in the "Marine" product category for a less expensive substitute for an "Automotive" category GPSR. That's like deciding you want to do off-road motorcycle riding, and then buying a 1200cc crotch rocket because it's cheaper than the new 1200GS. Better to buy a 650GS instead, if you get my drift.
David Emmett: Your comment about waiting a while until the price of a new product decreases (the 'early adopters' premium) is valid for any consumer electronics, GPSRs included. But, the remark you made about "not buying the fastest chip, but the second or third fastest" doesn't transfer over to the world of GPSRs. In the computer market, there are probably 30 different chip speeds to choose from, so buying number two or number three still leaves you in the top 5%. In the GPSR market, there are only about 3 different speeds in production at any one time, so buying the second or third fastest could easily leave you 3 years behind the times. The third fastest GPSR available right now is the SP III.
Richie: Do you think there might be a reason why all these dealers are blowing out the 276s right now? Think about that carefully, especially in light of the recommendations I have made recently about 276s. Read between the lines, OK?
Finally, if anyone wants a remote control (i.e. additional buttons) for a SP 26xx on a motorcycle, spend £3 on some Velcro and stick the remote that comes with the SP 26xx on the handlebars. That's what I did about 5 months ago - works great, I have never removed it, and it's a heck of a lot less expensive than either the BMW Nav II or the Dutch product. If you discover that you love the extra buttons, but really truly want them right beside your GPSR, you're only out of pocket £3. If you discover that you really don't use the extra buttons that much, you've saved £200.
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PanEuropean - thanks for the advice, I am now looking at 2610 or 2620.
Mutley - where can you get a 2510 for £570? the best I've found so far is at aspidshop.com for £573.81.
Andrew.
Mutley - where can you get a 2510 for £570? the best I've found so far is at aspidshop.com for £573.81.
Andrew.
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Go mad. Spend the extra £3.81.
Mike
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Andy, don't get a 2620 (the one with the hard drive inside), that is a 'dumbed down' 2610 intended for people who don't own computers and therefore cannot load the map segments.
If you purchased a 2620, you would not get the map CD or the MapSource program, which means you have lost the ability to work with the high-detail maps on your PC, and plan your routes on your PC. If your goal is higher storage capacity than the CF card that comes standard with the 2610, buy an additional, aftermarket CF card locally for your 2610. That is a less expensive route to achieving the same result, and you don't give up having the cartography and MapSource application on CD, for use on your PC.
PanEuropean
If you purchased a 2620, you would not get the map CD or the MapSource program, which means you have lost the ability to work with the high-detail maps on your PC, and plan your routes on your PC. If your goal is higher storage capacity than the CF card that comes standard with the 2610, buy an additional, aftermarket CF card locally for your 2610. That is a less expensive route to achieving the same result, and you don't give up having the cartography and MapSource application on CD, for use on your PC.
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Mike PMSL at that one
Andy I was just rounding it up mate or down, its the Aspid one you have seen, so go ahead and buy,
I have just ordered my Touratech mount which will take 10 or so days to get as they are not instock, I will order the GPS on Monday.
Pan, thanks very much for all your help, I am going to see how I get on with the Touch screen etc 1st but if I find it to much hassle I may go down the dutch route, the biggest problem here it the weather, and I was recently in scotland and it rained nearly every day so the remote would have been useless or broken as its not waterproof.
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Andy I was just rounding it up mate or down, its the Aspid one you have seen, so go ahead and buy,
I have just ordered my Touratech mount which will take 10 or so days to get as they are not instock, I will order the GPS on Monday.
Pan, thanks very much for all your help, I am going to see how I get on with the Touch screen etc 1st but if I find it to much hassle I may go down the dutch route, the biggest problem here it the weather, and I was recently in scotland and it rained nearly every day so the remote would have been useless or broken as its not waterproof.
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Thanks Pan
Will see about ordering the 2610, does it come as standard with the maps or is this something I will have to purchase as an extra.
Mutley, where have you ordered your touratech mount from?
Is there anything else I should get with the unit - power lead for the GS?
Thanks for all your advice, much appreciated.
Soon not to be a GPS Virgin
Andrew.
Will see about ordering the 2610, does it come as standard with the maps or is this something I will have to purchase as an extra.
Mutley, where have you ordered your touratech mount from?
Is there anything else I should get with the unit - power lead for the GS?
Thanks for all your advice, much appreciated.
Soon not to be a GPS Virgin
Andrew.
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The 2610 comes with City Navigator V6 so you won't need any maps.
Just a mount and power cable
Just a mount and power cable
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Thanks Richie
Last question - RAM mount or Touratech?
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Last question - RAM mount or Touratech?
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Unless you intend going offraod I would go for the Ram mount.
Nice bit of kit for 50notes.
Plus a bit more if you get the migsel mount.
Nice bit of kit for 50notes.
Plus a bit more if you get the migsel mount.
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Andy, www. touratech.co.uk it was under the GPS section Garmin 2610 and about £66 pounds I think it looks the biz, plus I have done some off road and i like the idea of the shocks on the mount, hope the links work.
http://www.touratech.de/shop_uk/en-us/dept_393.html
I emailed them and they are out of stock and will take about 10 days.
Mutley
http://www.touratech.de/shop_uk/en-us/dept_393.html
I emailed them and they are out of stock and will take about 10 days.
Mutley
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I have also found a 2610 at sportextreme.com for £684.84 + carriage. Don't forget the aspidshop price of £573 does not include vat, when you add this in it comes to £682.83 + carriage.
Not sure which supplier to go to. I'm also going to go for a MiGSel mount with a ram fitting + external antenna - I'm onlygoing to do this once! Total cost - approx £800. That's about £200 - £300 more than I originally planned to spend
Andrew.
I have also found a 2610 at sportextreme.com for £684.84 + carriage. Don't forget the aspidshop price of £573 does not include vat, when you add this in it comes to £682.83 + carriage.
Not sure which supplier to go to. I'm also going to go for a MiGSel mount with a ram fitting + external antenna - I'm onlygoing to do this once! Total cost - approx £800. That's about £200 - £300 more than I originally planned to spend
Andrew.
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