Has your GS1200 been reliable...or not?

Seems like there are those who love their 1200's and those who have had unfortunate experiences and wouldn't touch another with a barge pole.
Not strictly true. There are those of us who've had unfortunate experiences, tried other bikes and realised they're still the best, but still:
a) hate the fact that they've a BMW badge on them in the first place
b) get annoyed at the corrosion and lack of reliability
c) take out extended warranties and enjoy riding the bike and have a wee chuckle every time they go wrong
d) buy another bike to actually go to work on whilst the Beemer lives a life of luxury, just doing the fun miles

Overall I'm very happy with my rusting unreliable machine........ its a keeper :)

Oh - and I also like reading about dissapointed owners who thought they'd bought a bike that'd be RTW reliable and resistant to British weather just because they spent a lot of money.
 
An extended warranty is under a pound a day, say about £320 a year.

the true cost is getting on for double that if you'd prefer to do your own servicing.
the cost and hassle of getting a dealer to do it makes an extended warranty something of a double edged sword for me. still got the warranty though :nenau
 
Well mine was reliable until Xmas when the left indicators decided to go mad intermittently. I reckon its probably water in the switch gear which shouldn't happen, its a bike and they get wet. Anyway its booked in on Friday and it will get fixed under warranty. No biggy although it is a pain in the arse since the only way to get the indicator off when it screws up is to switch the bike off and back on and then the indicator doesn't work again until you switch it off and on again (this only sometimes works). Never had to reboot a bike before :augie but hey its a small price to pay.
 
Never had to reboot a bike before :augie but hey its a small price to pay.

I was on a Virgin train once which had problems and they announced that they would have to stop and switch off the train to reboot it. :eek: It started up again and away we went :thumb


My GS has been reliable and is still in very good condition despite the salt and grit covered roads around here. :thumb2 EWS & FPC controller replaced by dealer FOC after I approached them with concerns of braking down in the middle of nowhere with young Skye ;)
 
the true cost is getting on for double that if you'd prefer to do your own servicing.
the cost and hassle of getting a dealer to do it makes an extended warranty something of a double edged sword for me. still got the warranty though :nenau

Don't get you there Cookie, whys it cost more if you do your own servicing ?

If I did my own servicing the rear hweel would DEFINATLEY fall off like in that scary doom list from the US
 
I was wondering, as one does in those idle moments, if there is any correlation between a fall off in motorbike reliability/corrosion in the last 3/4 years and the availabilty of cheap Jet washers. Those things don't do your bike any good at all.

My 08 has been fine by the way.
 
availabilty of cheap Jet washers. Those things don't do your bike any good at all.

Never seemed to have hurt mine much :nenau

You might as well wonder if there is any correletion between pointless musing and the price of eggs. ;)
 
All of my bikes have been reliable, even the old nail of a 500 four Honda that I bought after passing my test. My Ducati Pantah would occasionally suffer from a blocked fuel filter (caused by rust in tank) but it could be fixed in 10 mins at the roadside. My GS has left me stranded twice, once at home with a dicky ring antenna and once when it wouldn't restart after filling up on the way to work 'cos of a dodgy FPC. I wouldn't say two problems in five years and 50K miles (over two GS's, first written off at 13K) defines unreliable. Pissed off about the engine corroding so much though.
 
Don't get you there Cookie, whys it cost more if you do your own servicing ?

If I did my own servicing the rear hweel would DEFINATLEY fall off like in that scary doom list from the US


wasn't entirely clear there, was i?

i meant the cost is higher if you prefer to do your own servicing, but can't because of the warranty :)
 
I see, I guess you have to have it serviced at a bmw dealership as part of the conditions........I use a local independant mechanic but not had any issues as yet but then again its been sitting idle for a while waiting for better weather.......
 
Well mine was reliable until Xmas when the left indicators decided to go mad intermittently.

My first one did that, which lead to much fun and games as all and sundry pulled out on me when they thought that I was turning off.

It needed a new switchgear, which was done under warranty, but it was not a pleasant failure to have.
 
I see, I guess you have to have it serviced at a bmw dealership as part of the conditions........I use a local independant mechanic but not had any issues as yet but then again its been sitting idle for a while waiting for better weather.......

In theory, the law is on your side if you either do it yourself, or get an independent to do it, as long as the work is of satisfactory standard and the right parts are used.

In practice, and despite some people's belief that the dealers are falling over themselves to honour any borderline warranty case, you are much more likely to face a protracted sequence of buck-passing and denying if you take the bike in for a claim having had it worked on elsewhere.

Basically they can't even start to claim shoddy servicing being to blame if they did that bit themselves, but it's something that they can pull if it was done somewhere else.

If I was the sort to take an extended warranty, I'd definitely get the servicing done by BMW as well, I'd view the two things as part of a package that just needs to go together.

(And yes, some people will be fortunate to have a wonderful dealer who will never quibble no matter where the work was done. Some will not)
 
My first one did that, which lead to much fun and games as all and sundry pulled out on me when they thought that I was turning off.

It needed a new switchgear, which was done under warranty, but it was not a pleasant failure to have.

Yes was diagnosed today as a knackered left hand switchgear. Need to go back next week and get it changed. No it isn't a lot of fun, specially if you don't notice it has come on by itself for a bit.
 
Never seemed to have hurt mine much :nenau

You might as well wonder if there is any correletion between pointless musing and the price of eggs. ;)

There is. Quote, Wikipedia; "pointless musing" going to see a Devon based rock band that you don't like.

If you did go you would probably want to buy something to throw.

:guitarist
 
ews units explained

ews
EWS – Electronic Immobilizer on CAN-based BMW motorcycles




What does "EWS" stand for?
It is German for "Elektronische Wegfahr Sperre"



The most common symptom:
The motorcycle does not start and the “EWS” is intermittently or permanently displayed on the instrument cluster (KOMBI)



The problem
Since the systems inception in 2004, it has been plagued by various problems, the biggest by far being the (un)reliability of the Ring Antenna and Evaluation electronics. This of course is a single point of failure and if it does not work, there is NO chance of authenticating the Key and no chance in hell that your engine will start and run.



The Fault Code diagnosis
According to several dealerships and dealer techs we spoke to, a faulty ring antenna raises a Fault code within the BMS-K(P) only 50% of the time...




General description of the EWS system in CAN-bus based motorcycles

The electronic immobilizer consists of 4 parts:



When the ignition is switched on, the Engine Controller initiates communication with the transponder chip in the key. Data is exchanged and if the challenge is authenticated, the BMS-K(P) will unlock the ignition (spark), fuel injection, fuel pump and starter motor.

The Transponder chip


The "chip" in the Key does not contain a battery. In stead it is powered by the magnetic field of the Ring antenna, which also acts as the RF communication medium. In essance the transponder is a wireless read/write EEPROM with a unique serial#.


The Ring antenna and evaluation electronics

The Ring antenna both powers and communicates with the Transponder chip in the Key. The max communication distance between Key transponder and the Ring antenna is just short of an inch (2cm) and that is the reason why there should NEVER be any other Keys with transponders in close proximity, as they would both be powered by the Ring antenna’s magnetic field and both try to communicate, thus essentially corrupting each others signals.


The Evaluation electronics


This is integrated in the Antenna ring unit and conditions both the RF and data signals to the BMS-K(P) in order to communicate with each other (read: rf <-> digital conversion). The Evaluation electronics is powered by Ignition (Terminal 15), and has the following pin-outs:


pin1 : Terminal 15 (ignition)
pin2 : Terminal 31 (ground)
pin3 : data
pin4 : data
The BMS-K(P) ECU


A certain portion of the BMS-K(P) software is dedicated to the EWS. This block of software integrates the data from the Key (by means of the Evaluations electronics, to the rest of the engine management functions of the ECU. It's primary tasks are:

To retrieve the identification data from the Transponder in the key and validate its authenticity
To release the rest of the engine management functions, if the they key is authenticated
It manages up to a total of 10 keys
It manages the keys that have been blocked (typically if you've lost a key, you can have it blocked)
The EWS procedure at start-up is as follows:

When the ignition is switched on, it powers the Evaluation electronics and in turn the Transponder chip in the Key
The BMS-K(P) authenticates the key data against its corresponding data within the BMS-K(P)
Based on a secret algorithm, a random number is manipulated by both the Transponder as well as the BMS-K(P). The Key's answer is transmitted back to the BMS-K(P), and if they are a match, the rest of the engine management functions are released.



The dreaded "EWS issue" has a silver lining?
What to do when things go wrong

Unlike, loosing your key (quite probable) or an electronic failure within the BMS-K(P) (highly unlikely – cars have been using these modules for years!), the unreliability of the Ring antenna and Evaluation electronics, does have a silver lining… Anyone can replace it! (no special matching by the BMW diagnostic computer required) – unlike the learning of a new key or the replacement of a BMS-K(P) control unit!

That’s why you should have at least ONE spare unit amongst your riding party… AND ALWAYS carry your spare key… The spare key is essential as it is required when your loose (misplace, of course) your current key, however also required for the emergency Ring Antenna replacement procedure (the original ring antenna is difficult to replace, hence you will only be unplugging the wires from the original connector and plugging them into your replacement unit. However your replacement unit will not reach your key in your ignition switch – hence you require two keys… one in the ignition switch (to turn the ignition) and the other taped or cable-tied into the replacement ring antenna, to authenticate and enable your engine controller…)



What you require…
A spare ring antenna (New part#: 61 35 7 705 247 ) released 06 2008

Your spare ignition key!
Some cable ties and/or tape (to fasten the spare key to the replacement ring antenna)


Is the ring antenna always at fault!
NO! in some occasions the symptoms of the motor not starting and “EWS” displayed intermittently or permanently on the instrument cluster are NOT the result of a faulty Ring antenna!

If the Low beam comes on and “EWS” is displayed, when the ignition is switched on the first time after the battery has been removed, the Ring antenna is NOT faulty!

This happens when the BMS-K(P) boots up incorrectly… A good booted BMS-K(P) always shows the gear indicator in the instrument panel, provided the gear selector potentiometer is NOT faulty (GS-911 will tell you this).


Once the ignition is switched on a second time, the EWS should function normally!



What to check before replacing the Ring antenna?
Cycle the ignition again, and if the problem persists, then
Check the wiring and wiring connector to the Ring antenna for:
Any damage (possibly caused by chaffing etc. or rodent damage)
Over tightened cable ties that might have cut into the wiring or are preventing good contact at the connector (due to lack of slack in the wiring)
Poor connection at the connector to the ring antenna
Read the fault codes with GS-911. The ring antenna might not be the problem that is preventing your motor from starting!
 
is anyone still having EWS issues since the last ring antenna recall?
 
Most unreliable bike I have ever owned.
final drive bearings, 2x fuel pump controllers, 2x indicator switching units, 2x potentiometers, 2x antenna ring main, ignition unit, final drive replaced bacause of corrosion, multiple areas of corrosion all over the bike.
This bike lives in a garage, and is serviced regularly. only 50k miles
I will never buy BMW again.
 
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I have yet to see any survey completed on overall satisfaction with 1200 owners and I am interested to know roughly how many owners have viewed their 1200 to be a reliable bike..or not, as the case may be.
So has your GS 1200 / GSA been reliable overall?...or not?
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'07 1200GSA
43,000 Flawless miles :thumb2
Did replace ring-antenna and fuel pump controller because my vin# was in the range of bikes affected. However, did not have any problems with it prior replacement.

I've done significant mileage on long distance trips in remote areas.

Best bike so far in terms of trouble free miles :D
 


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