Hate macs? Have a look at this from todays Guardian... it may bring you a smile

[Chunky]

I hate Macs. I have always hated Macs. I hate people who use Macs. I even hate people who don't use Macs but sometimes wish they did.

Ah, a nice reasoned debate. That's what I like.

 

[Backmarker]

Loved the article.

I've had a serious run in with a Sony Vaio recently, not the Vaio's fault but Sony's for not releasing spare parts (motherboard). .

Sorry, help me out here, not the Vaio's fault it needs a new motherboard ????

And if it helps, I used to have Microsoft Technician status, worked in IT, bought PCs (mainly Dell, but also Eversham, Tiny, Toshiba, Fujitsui) for Law Firms, Local Government, Charities etc.

And then I bought myself a Mac for home use.

And I saw the light. I know nothing about Macs, cant change a motherboard, hell, cant change the RAM. And it is great, 'cause I have never needed to. Ever. Not once. Ever. Ever.

 

[steveuk]

i used to travel alot for work - i took around a hundred over seas flights in 2002 alone...

wherever myself and colleagues went to work we would have a local perosn employed as a "runner"....someone who could book restaurants, take our laundry to be done, translate, source materials / stuff we needed etc. etc ...
i remember one time when our runner in Oslo was sent out to buy 5 notebooks at 0900hrs but did not return till mid afternoon.....!! she explained it had taken so long becasue she was concerned about paying too much so had shopped around - imagine my colleagues surprise when she produced 5 notebook computers from the boot of her car......
("notebooks" or "notebooks"..... guess he should have explained more clearly)
sorry thread just reminded me.....

i do macs - i get on fine with them, i have a fair amount of software running at the same time and none of my (4) machines ever crash - most people in my business do macs also - my brother has a small business running maybe 30 or so PC's for the last 15 years - he recently bought a mac to "try out" cause he is fed up with the PC's not being up to scratch / crashing and the IT firm (which he pays hundreds of pounds a month) not being able to sort the PC problems out.

i did have an ibook a few years back that i had replaced ooohhh....8 or 9 times in 18 months because of a logic board fault - now that was a pain in the arse.....i'd be in new york - they would fix it - but by the time i had left gone to tokyo they had already sent it to new york - by the time they re-directed it to tokyo - i'd be in osaka and so on and so forth grrrr..but other than that one machine (which they replaced for a top end power book ultimately) macs have been fine for me...

but of course both have pros and cons - i guess it all depends on what you want from them.....

 

[Trippy]

I know absolutly f*ck all about computers. I turn up at work and just about manage to find my way around our systems, I had a PC at home running windows that I got so f*cked off with I unplugged it one day and threw it in the skip outside.

But what I do know is this Apple and it is sooo easy(ish).
Never get hundreds of f*cking pop ups even looking at porn, in a year its frozen about twice and all you do is switch off at the mains and switch it back on again and when I bought a printer/scanner I just plugged it in and was using it in about 5 minutes.

Piece of p*ss.

 

[Fanum]

And I saw the light. I know nothing about Macs, cant change a motherboard, hell, cant change the RAM. And it is great, 'cause I have never needed to. Ever. Not once. Ever. Ever.

You obviously have a low need level then

Wait until you get a decent GPS, or need to use some grown up software.......or break out of the Apple i-monopoly

 

[Fanum]

Never get hundreds of f*cking pop ups even looking at porn, in a year its frozen about twice and all you do is switch off at the mains and switch it back on again and when I bought a printer/scanner I just plugged it in and was using it in about 5 minutes.

Piece of p*ss.

Same with a PC....I genuinely haven't seen a BSOD since I ditched win95 for XP a few months before it was released......

My PC doesn't freeze, unless I make it do things beyond it's capability.....like downloading 8 or more large files at a time.......or running two instances of W.O.W at a time for the kids so I can rescue their dead character....oops sorry, you lot don't know what a decent game is or that your machines can play games for the kids do you....sorry!!!

5 mins to get a printer running???

With XP, you get proper plug and play......and it works the second you plug it in........and if you really want to use some obscure or old hardware, you can make it work with a bit of work...if an Apple doesn't know what's plugged into it, you're screwed.....period.

Mac owners often sneer that kind of defence back at you when you mock their silly, posturing contraptions, because in doing so, you have inadvertently put your finger on the dark fear haunting their feeble, quivering soul - that in some sense, they are a superficial semi-person assembled from packaging; an infinitely sad, second-rate replicant who doesn't really know what they are doing here, but feels vaguely significant and creative each time they gaze at their sleek designer machine. And the more deftly constructed and wittily argued their defence, the more terrified and wounded they secretly are.

 

[dunard]

Sorry, help me out here, not the Vaio's fault it needs a new motherboard ????

And if it helps, I used to have Microsoft Technician status, worked in IT, bought PCs (mainly Dell, but also Eversham, Tiny, Toshiba, Fujitsui) for Law Firms, Local Government, Charities etc.

And then I bought myself a Mac for home use.

And I saw the light. I know nothing about Macs, cant change a motherboard, hell, cant change the RAM. And it is great, 'cause I have never needed to. Ever. Not once. Ever. Ever.

Daughter dropped an Argos catalogue onto the Vaio while it was on, with resulting damage to the motherboard. Hard disk etc... was fine and the Vaio had been pretty faultless up to that point: it even looked quite cool.

dunard

 

[Bigtwin]

You obviously have a low need level then

Wait until you get a decent GPS, or need to use some grown up software.......or break out of the Apple i-monopoly

Guess I'd better write to Garmin and tell them their GPSs aren't decent then eh?

Far as I'm concerned, the fewer people who get Macs, the better. Keeps the virus scum occupied elsewhere with the porn and games crowd.

 

[Backmarker]

You obviously have a low need level then

Wait until you get a decent GPS, or need to use some grown up software.......or break out of Apple i-monopoly

Got a Garmin 2610, not decent enough? (I take it you mean not expensive enough). As to 'grown up software', like what exactly? SPSS? or do you mean 'Murder rape gang bang wollop 3' ? SPSS runs fine on virtual windows, not quite like running it on a PC mind, boots up in seconds, never crashes, doesnt drop data, refresh on a screen based on refresh data sent from 5 screens ago.....

 

[Fanum]

The main reason I like PC's over Macs is that I can make them do whatever I want, in whatever way I want them to do it, change them, upgrade them if I want to , use any software, any mix of hardware, with the only limits being what I want and can afford to do, not restrained by the (adnittedly) shiny interface of what is otherwise a shallow and limited machine like the Mac

 

[Bigtwin]

The main reason I like PC's over Macs is that I can make them do whatever I want, in whatever way I want them to do it, change them, upgrade them if I want to , use any software, any mix of hardware, with the only limits being what I want and can afford to do,

I think I have the answer now. For me, the Mac is a tool, pure and simple.

For you, your PC is the wife you never met...

 

[Backmarker]

The main reason I like PC's over Macs is that I can make them do whatever I want, in whatever way I want them to do it, change them, upgrade them if I want to , use any software, any mix of hardware, with the only limits being what I want and can afford to do, not restrained by the (adnittedly) shiny interface of what is otherwise a shallow and limited machine like the Mac

The reason I love my Mac is that I dont need to change it or upgrade it every week to line Microsofts profits. I dont need to mix and match the hardware (and I have thousands of hours experience of mix 'n' match that didn't mix 'n' match) and, unlike a PC, I can run any Mac, or PC based software. Easily, reliably, all day every day.

Bit like the difference between a Garmin and a Tom Tom. If you want to spend your life playing with your toys (and spending ever more money on it), get a PC and a Garmin. If you just want to get the job done, Mac/Tom Tom it.

 

[cookie]

can i just recommend charlie brooker's Screen Wipe TV program. it's about TV and is pretty funny.

this weeks show about reality TV was especially good IMO.

 

[cookie]

If you just want to get the job done, Mac/Tom Tom it.

if i just wanted to go A to B, i'd buy a tom tom. i actually want to have some control over how i get to B, so i bought a garmin

 

[Fanum]

Bit like the difference between a Garmin and a Tom Tom. If you want to spend your life playing with your toys (and spending ever more money on it), get a PC and a Garmin. If you just want to get the job done, Mac/Tom Tom it.

You're spot on....apart from the bit about spending more and more money on it (but at least I could, easily, if I so wish to do )

If you're happy to be a shallow, 'take it as it's given and play by their rules' type who thinks that the toys make them look cool, by all means be a 'mac and tom tom' man....that pretty much sums it up....I prefer to have control, to be able to make it do what I want in the way I want it to.......PC & Garmin gives me exactly that.......I'll be a 'PC and Garmin' man

 

[redcastle]

Oh christ ive got pc's and tomtom

can I expect a visit from the GPS police or fashion police

 

[650Russ]

I always went for PCs. Dell desktop, Dell Laptop, Vaio Laptop, Compaq laptop. This was enforced by having to use an old antiquated mac network at school that was forever crashing and was generally useless. Thats not to say my PCs never broke, not one of them lasted longer than a year without the need of specialist help, in fact I became quite good at fixing them, and that was fine because as far as I was concerned they were still better than Macs.

But 4 or 5 years ago something happened... the mac networks were upgraded, and they worked, well. Then the iPod came out, and macs started looking even better. After a long drawn out battle with viruses on my pc i decided to give macs a go, from a top of the range mainstream PC I went to the bottom of the range iBook G4.

I now snigger when my friends complain about the price of virus software. I relate with glee when I explain that it's been a long time since I've done this sort of thing when someone asks me for help with a messed up computer. I laugh in the face of lost data and blue screens of death. I no longer worry about my computer being unable to find that .dll file or whatever the hell it was. Remote desktop systems work first time everytime. SPSS no longer carries out its twice weekly purge of vital data. VPN clients connect without needing to reinstall. (See macs do grown up stuff too)

Yes I have become arrogant, and so can you. Join me in the land of the enlightened few. Play amongst the dashboard widgets, frolic in delights of iLife, learn to scream HELL YEH every time steve jobs unveils his latest mac release.

You see what I'm getting at. Mac's are a little arrogant, I accept that, I can't think of anyoother way of putting it...

THEY JUST WORK

 

[cookie]

I always went for PCs. Dell desktop, Dell Laptop, Vaio Laptop, Compaq laptop. This was enforced by having to use an old antiquated mac network at school that was forever crashing and was generally useless. Thats not to say my PCs never broke, not one of them lasted longer than a year without the need of specialist help, in fact I became quite good at fixing them, and that was fine because as far as I was concerned they were still better than Macs.

But 4 or 5 years ago something happened... the mac networks were upgraded, and they worked, well. Then the iPod came out, and macs started looking even better. After a long drawn out battle with viruses on my pc i decided to give macs a go, from a top of the range mainstream PC I went to the bottom of the range iBook G4.

I now snigger when my friends complain about the price of virus software. I relate with glee when I explain that it's been a long time since I've done this sort of thing when someone asks me for help with a messed up computer. I laugh in the face of lost data and blue screens of death. I no longer worry about my computer being unable to find that .dll file or whatever the hell it was. Remote desktop systems work first time everytime. SPSS no longer carries out its twice weekly purge of vital data. VPN clients connect without needing to reinstall. (See macs do grown up stuff too)

Yes I have become arrogant, and so can you. Join me in the land of the enlightened few. Play amongst the dashboard widgets, frolic in delights of iLife, learn to scream HELL YEH every time steve jobs unveils his latest mac release.

You see what I'm getting at. Mac's are a little arrogant, I accept that, I can't think of anyoother way of putting it...

THEY JUST WORK

another one who thinks PCs are still like they were "4 or 5 years ago"


pay for virus software?

 

[ovenpaa]

I now snigger when my friends complain about the price of virus software. I relate with glee when I explain that it's been a long time since I've done this sort of thing when someone asks me for help with a messed up computer. I laugh in the face of lost data and blue screens of death. I no longer worry about my computer being unable to find that .dll file or whatever the hell it was. Remote desktop systems work first time everytime. SPSS no longer carries out its twice weekly purge of vital data. VPN clients connect without needing to reinstall.

I though you were talking about Linux for a minute

 

[Fanum]

pay for virus software?

And another one.....being stuck with iTunes for that other over rated, over priced bit of 'look at me' hardware, the iPod



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