i do have an ipod.
it both crashes and freezes, i also have an irrational attachment to it
it both crashes and freezes, i also have an irrational attachment to it
Hate macs? Have a look at this from todays Guardian... it may bring you a smile
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brassmonkey001
I should change this
Ooh, it's picked up a bit of pace.
My iMac is a G3 CDROM 350Mhz jobbie. I upgraded the software to OS9.2.2 when I bought an mp3 player which was said to be 9.2 compatible. It wasn't. So I took it back. After a while I got another that again was said to be 9.2 compatible and again wasn't, so I had to borrow my sisters PC to use the damn thing. And I've got a Garmin Quest I also cannot use beyond it's basic functionality.
I had discussed my mp3 problems on another music based site where a mate sent me the upgrade discs to change to OSX which should cure my compatibility woes somewhat. This threw up another problem, we've got a lot of stuff saved on the hard drive, photo's, the Mrs's poetry and work stuff etc. which has got to be backed up before installing the new OS, and no viable way of saving it. So another kindly soul sent me a DVD burner. Unfortunately I've got no way of connecting it as it only has Firewire connections which my iMac hasn't got. I can't afford another computer which is why I wanted to upgrade mine, but now I've got to get hold of another sodding Mac to save the stuff to by connect the two via Ethernet cable so I can upgrade mine. You can't win!
Mine crashes and freezes quite a bit too. And it won't do all this youtube malarkey that people post on here, and doesn't like much of anything when it comes to video, downloading anything, animated gifs etc. PITA
I will admit, I've never had any virus troubles with it though. I'll give em that.
My iMac is a G3 CDROM 350Mhz jobbie. I upgraded the software to OS9.2.2 when I bought an mp3 player which was said to be 9.2 compatible. It wasn't. So I took it back. After a while I got another that again was said to be 9.2 compatible and again wasn't, so I had to borrow my sisters PC to use the damn thing. And I've got a Garmin Quest I also cannot use beyond it's basic functionality.
I had discussed my mp3 problems on another music based site where a mate sent me the upgrade discs to change to OSX which should cure my compatibility woes somewhat. This threw up another problem, we've got a lot of stuff saved on the hard drive, photo's, the Mrs's poetry and work stuff etc. which has got to be backed up before installing the new OS, and no viable way of saving it. So another kindly soul sent me a DVD burner. Unfortunately I've got no way of connecting it as it only has Firewire connections which my iMac hasn't got. I can't afford another computer which is why I wanted to upgrade mine, but now I've got to get hold of another sodding Mac to save the stuff to by connect the two via Ethernet cable so I can upgrade mine. You can't win!
Mine crashes and freezes quite a bit too. And it won't do all this youtube malarkey that people post on here, and doesn't like much of anything when it comes to video, downloading anything, animated gifs etc. PITA
I will admit, I've never had any virus troubles with it though. I'll give em that.
Backmarker
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You're spot on....apart from the bit about spending more and more money on it(but at least I could, easily, if I so wish to do
)
If you're happy to be a shallow, 'take it as it's given and play by their rules' type who thinks that the toys make them look cool, by all means be a 'mac and tom tom' man....that pretty much sums it up....I prefer to have control, to be able to make it do what I want in the way I want it to.......PC & Garmin gives me exactly that.......I'll be a 'PC and Garmin' man
Shallow? Oh well, that was a lot of money wasted on my psychotherapy training. I happen to use a Mac, its not my fault if you now say it is 'cool' (It doesnt have to be true, it just has to be plausible, (Taylor 2001)), although it appears to be anything like 'cool' to the PC sheep on this board. I started with a Tangerine, moved to a DOS Compaq, and then to an Acorn. When I owned the Acorn I would have mocked Macs along with the best of you, but now the choice is more limited, so Mac it is.
But it is interesting that the original article in this thread was vitriolic. And yet it accuses Mac users of the very same vice. Check out Melanie Klein and the stuff about us attributing to others that which we really hate about ourselves.
I love PCs Mooo, Mooo, Mooo.
Oh I so hope that everything is ok with my foot next Wednesday when the plaster comes off, then I will go back to living in the real world, rather than arguing about its merits in cyberspace.
But I genuinely thank you all for giving me a life in cyberspace whilst my real life is limited to 'keeping my foot above the level of my heart'. And using this fecking PC which keeps losing these texts halfway through....
so lets have a round-up..
Mac users are so far up their own arse they don't realise the PC world has moved into XP and has excellent reliability and connectivity and you can now do anything for free.
My XP PC is virus free and works beautifully - and i've never paid for any software.
the only problem i have with it is the iPod and that it HAS to use itunes/quicktime for videos only. As soon as something comes out that bypasses itunes / quicktime i'll be ditching it.
OK - PC's were useless about 5 yrs ago, i'll give you that - and yes - PC's are now only were macs have been for the past 5 yrs - but theyre all about equal now
apart from the price
Mac users are so far up their own arse they don't realise the PC world has moved into XP and has excellent reliability and connectivity and you can now do anything for free.
My XP PC is virus free and works beautifully - and i've never paid for any software.
the only problem i have with it is the iPod and that it HAS to use itunes/quicktime for videos only. As soon as something comes out that bypasses itunes / quicktime i'll be ditching it.
OK - PC's were useless about 5 yrs ago, i'll give you that - and yes - PC's are now only were macs have been for the past 5 yrs - but theyre all about equal now
apart from the price
Backmarker
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Vista Mate, Vista. Stay awake, stay online, stay with the 'new, even better, no really, and really really virus free, yes really, no honest, and yes, it looks just like Panther, if only you would buy a new computer with 10Million GB Ram, and 10Gb Cache and you have 70000million GB of free hard drive.
To misquote Tight Fit, the Leopard is coming. Take you another 5 years (and who knows how much cash) to catch up
Fanum
Toubab
Vista is for mugs
Looks nice, but no thanks
Looks nice, but no thanks
Fanum
Toubab
ps Backmarker....having read a lot of your late night posts, I'll have a pint of what you're on
Backmarker
Registered user
Vista is for mugs
Looks nice, but no thanks
Well Mr Gates says you should have it, so you will. You always do in the end
Fanum
Toubab
Can you run Linux on a Mac?????
I dunno.......but I can on my PC
I've tried Vista......I weighed it, measured it and found it lacking........
Don't confuse a PC with Microsoft........they're totally different things, unlike a Mac and its OS
Backmarker
Registered user
ps Backmarker....having read a lot of your late night posts, I'll have a pint of what you're on
You say that, but you dont really want it.
I'm on the after affects of a Cheilectomy and all that entails.
But at least this place exists, so those of us filled with anger and bile and who have exceeded our doses of medication (both prescription and what I can persuade Emma to lug back from the Offy whilst carrying the two babies) are left with somewhere to be. Even if it does mean using this fecking PC.....
Fanum
Toubab
I hope yer toe gets better soon
from another mac user........
When I plug in my VOIP phone into my Mac, OS X doesn't recognise it, when I use RAW mode on my Fuji cam, OS X doesn't recognsie it, when I use my Canon S820 printer, OS X gives me degraded performance from it compared to when I have it connected to my Windws box.
When I plug in my VOIP phone into my Mac, OS X doesn't recognise it, when I use RAW mode on my Fuji cam, OS X doesn't recognsie it, when I use my Canon S820 printer, OS X gives me degraded performance from it compared to when I have it connected to my Windws box.
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PC Mac PC MAC PC MAC PC MAC PC MAC ..........
Sergeant Pluck
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The thing here is, you're all arguing about whether it's better to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Fanum is absolutely right when he says the PC's DO NOT EQUAL Windows. Apple and Microsoft are 2 sides of the same coin who go about relieving you of your money in slightly different ways; Apple focussing on 'advanced' HCI; ie. overpiced and trendy hardware, and a pretty interface to appeal to those that way inclined, Microsoft traditionally with software and nowadays DRM and owenrship of distribution channels, and focusing on getting money from business rather than individuals. Either way, you get owned. (iPod/iTunes users will testify to that!).
The truth is that OSX and XP are BOTH pretty (actually, very) reliable, both can pretty much do the same thing albeit in a slightly different way, although Windows steals a march on Apple in terms of availability of soft and hardware hence it's virtual ubiquity which in turn gives rise to the average Mac user thinking they are a bit special, discerning, cleverer than thou PC user etc - mmmm rather like BM riders over riders of 'other' bikes!
As someone who has used both Mac and PC simultaneously side-by-side for many years - at work and at home as part of my job - I won't get drawn on which is 'better' because a) it's been done to death and is boring, and b) there is no correct answer - it's not about the machine, it's about the attitude of the user. Having said that, the future for me in the light of Vista and whatever Apple does to retaliate, will be PC machines running some form of Linux probably Ubuntu, because the one thing that is guaranteed is that from now on it really is possible for Microsoft/Apple to really OWN you once you have bought into their operating system. So there
Why don't you do the sensible thing and ditch the iPod in favour of a non-Apple player which will be cheaper, sound better, have more functionality and be plug and play on any old machine, be able to play any old format? Might not look a flash though 
Pluck
The truth is that OSX and XP are BOTH pretty (actually, very) reliable, both can pretty much do the same thing albeit in a slightly different way, although Windows steals a march on Apple in terms of availability of soft and hardware hence it's virtual ubiquity which in turn gives rise to the average Mac user thinking they are a bit special, discerning, cleverer than thou PC user etc - mmmm rather like BM riders over riders of 'other' bikes!
As someone who has used both Mac and PC simultaneously side-by-side for many years - at work and at home as part of my job - I won't get drawn on which is 'better' because a) it's been done to death and is boring, and b) there is no correct answer - it's not about the machine, it's about the attitude of the user. Having said that, the future for me in the light of Vista and whatever Apple does to retaliate, will be PC machines running some form of Linux probably Ubuntu, because the one thing that is guaranteed is that from now on it really is possible for Microsoft/Apple to really OWN you once you have bought into their operating system. So there
Why don't you do the sensible thing and ditch the iPod in favour of a non-Apple player which will be cheaper, sound better, have more functionality and be plug and play on any old machine, be able to play any old format? Might not look a flash though
Pluck
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Yes
Unix is the very foundation which underpins OS-X (Tiger) in fact but most Apple users don't know that or don't care in fact, moreover Apple Inc don't want to put it in your face (obviously) they want their users to just worry about it looking cool and working and believing Apple themselves are responsible for developing the most stable Mac environment yet.
However many of my chums who develop in the open-source base world rather than Windows are clued in to this and run their portable dev environments from their Macbook Pro's with whatever particular brand of KDE they prefer and can mount their drives and kill -9 until their hearts are contented.
Best of both worlds they will counter, the best architecture with the best OS and given what these guys earn, cost is irrelevant
I live in both camps and have the wherewithal about me to make a Windows Box sing or crash a Mac whichever my mood takes me on the day
Why don't you do the sensible thing and ditch the iPod in favour of a non-Apple player which will be cheaper, sound better, have more functionality and be plug and play on any old machine, be able to play any old format? Might not look a flash though
ditch it, you say ?
as in just throw it away ? .... interesting.
I'm guessing it was fairly expensive and was also a xmas present, so i'm thinking that MAY not go down too well.
i'm actually quite happy with the ipod overall - i use MediaMonkey to play and manage all the music, videora to convert the video files - it just needs itunes to load it to the 'pod.
it won't be long ........................
ditch it, you say ?
as in just throw it away ? .... interesting.
I'm guessing it was fairly expensive and was also a xmas present, so i'm thinking that MAY not go down too well.
i'm actually quite happy with the ipod overall - i use MediaMonkey to play and manage all the music, videora to convert the video files - it just needs itunes to load it to the 'pod.
it won't be long ........................
Just to add to the pot, and purely for reference,
I watched the Gadget show a while back where they did the PC V's Mac debate using their brand of science.
Briefly as possible, it went as follows:
Take one top notch Mac and one equivalent price PC.
Test#1, Performance: Heavy duty graphics , which the Mac if famed for. Set the machines an identical heavy weight task, then hit both go buttons at once and time them.
Result: PC spanked the Mac by a big margin (about a third).
Test#2, Ease of repair(no doubt to expose the Macs main problem): Drop both units from a 1st floor balcony and then try to get them both working again.
Result: PC required various items to be replaced which were quickly aquired and installed by a techno numpty. Job done machine back in use.
As for the Mac, after numerous phone calls and being told "you must bring it to an authorised dealer to be repaired" no doubt at vast expense they gave up. Writeoff!
PC's rule the world, Macs are expensive, overrated pants and only for Luvvies
I watched the Gadget show a while back where they did the PC V's Mac debate using their brand of science.
Briefly as possible, it went as follows:
Take one top notch Mac and one equivalent price PC.
Test#1, Performance: Heavy duty graphics , which the Mac if famed for. Set the machines an identical heavy weight task, then hit both go buttons at once and time them.
Result: PC spanked the Mac by a big margin (about a third).
Test#2, Ease of repair(no doubt to expose the Macs main problem): Drop both units from a 1st floor balcony and then try to get them both working again.
Result: PC required various items to be replaced which were quickly aquired and installed by a techno numpty. Job done machine back in use.
As for the Mac, after numerous phone calls and being told "you must bring it to an authorised dealer to be repaired" no doubt at vast expense they gave up. Writeoff!
PC's rule the world, Macs are expensive, overrated pants and only for Luvvies
650Russ
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Actually I only swopped to the White side a year and a half ago, and still use PCs at work. I did have to endure XP for a while
I particularly like the way most PCs these days are supplied with an impossible to get rid of self destruct package which get to work the second you turn on the machine for the first time...NORTON ANTI VIRUS
I'm quite happy with my Mac, I won't try and convert anyone anymore, I'll stand on the side lines looking unbearably smug... :cool
Sergeant Pluck
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Absolutely - this is the key to the problem. Windows XP in it's pure form is as stable as you like - probably more so than OSX. The problem is that by the time your average user has downloaded and installed a million bits of soft or freeware (consciously or otherwise), spyware has got everywhere, Norton/Real/iTunes etc have mutilated your operating system - thats where the stability problems start. This isn't an option with Macs as there simply isn't the freeware/spyware etc out there to screw the system - hence they get a reputation for reliability over Windows - based on an unequal set of circumstances.
Yup, friend O mine got a new pc laptop recently, he's a new user and therefore a numpty. The first thing that happened when he ran it up and connected to the net was some toss site popped up a 'windows lookalike' that said "The world will end unless you install this software to protect your computer". So he did and guess what? All sorts of problems started to appear, down to basic stuff like being blocked from his chosen wallpaper. At which point he's saying "I hate PC's!
"I fixed it for him (loads of spyware & active X stuff), now he's happy again
Until the next time He should have got a Mac
