Haynes manual

[stevie Allen]

Anybody heard any updates of when the Haynes manual is going to appear for the lc

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

No I have the disc version BMW does its very good the same instructions the techs get

 

[stevie Allen]

Did you get that from your local Dealers or did you have to order it ?

 

[Nick V]

Anybody heard any updates of when the Haynes manual is going to appear for the lc

That's a very good question.
Because following on from it, are Haynes actually making manuals for new BMW Motorrad products any more? There is also nothing for:

• 2005-onward (slant-four) K-series.
• K1600GT and GTL.
• 2012-onward F-series twins.

I tried asking Haynes about a slant-four K-series manual a while ago. All I got back was dead silence (typical of most companies these days). Clymer seem to have lost interest in producing manuals, too.

So does anyone know what's going on? Is the assumption among the tech manual compilation firms that the bikes are simply too complicated to bother with, or are BMW paying them NOT to produce the relevant manuals?

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Did you get that from your local Dealers or did you have to order it ?

Order from dealer but also some dodgy ones are on ebay

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Last I looked they didn't even do a manual for the twin cams, that may have changed.

The rep rom is great but it's nothing like a Haynes manual. It's for a tech to reference who already knows how a bike is put together so has lots of technical detail but no idiot guides if you know what I mean.

 

[SteveM]

I don't know about the LC, but I've got a Haynes manual for my twin cam.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/R1200-Air-c...1416386787&sr=8-1&keywords=haynes+bmw+r1200gs

 

[Little-Brit]

Presumably they'll only produce a manual for something that will sell in reasonably large numbers to make a print run worthwhile (which may explain the lack of K1200?)

As for later models I guess the two years warranty would deter most owners from fiddling whilst giving the Haynes people the time to produce a decent publication for those owners that want to play after the warranty has expired.

 

[Neil W]

to be honest the last two haynes manuals I bought gs twin cam and audi a3 contained too many refer to dealer quotes and weren't a patch on older ones. Bmw disc is much better

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

BMW disc shows everything you need step by step takes a bit of finding your way round but everything is there the more you use it the easier it is to navigate.

Even the apprentice can do your service with these instructions with the tech watching over his shoulder. If you need any more than this should you really be learning to spanner on a £14k bike ?

 

[stevie Allen]

BMW disc shows everything you need step by step takes a bit of finding your way round but everything is there the more you use it the easier it is to navigate.

Even the apprentice can do your service with these instructions with the tech watching over his shoulder. If you need any more than this should you really be learning to spanner on a £14k bike ?

Fair point , thanks anyway guys for the info , a cd it is then

 

[MondoRich]

How much is the CD?

 

[Marius in Africa]

Order from dealer but also some dodgy ones are on ebay

Hi Steve

Are you able to assist with the BMW part / catalogue number for the genuine BMW CD?

Regards
Marius

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Hi obtained my from a friend at a dealership as iso file on usb drive

 

[Sooty09]

What can Haynes put in the manual- big bang with clouds of smoke, bike f----d buy another or spend £1000s fixing it.
Bike will not start, plug in a GS111? or whatever to see why you need to take it to a dealer.
This is not a bike I expect to see on the road in ten years time, when it breaks down stick it in a shed waiting a rebuild. When realisation sets in after a few years sell the un corroded remains on e-bay as a none runner.
Its not made to last, i'm realistic about it and accept its the price you pay for performance and economy, I have had bikes for 40 years and realise now if it fails to start and after changing the battery and a few other checks I am out of my depth.
Shit world we are in now, throw away bikes.

 

[Tankerman10]

I have a Haynes manual for the twin cam and asked them when they would produce one for the LC. They replied that they don't do so until a new model is 3 years old, because of the manufacturer's warranty.


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[(RIP) Bin Ridin]

The CD is clearer than the Haynes manual - for Twin-Cam I have both. Haynes tedious and reference numbers are confusing.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

What can Haynes put in the manual- big bang with clouds of smoke, bike f----d buy another or spend £1000s fixing it.
Bike will not start, plug in a GS111? or whatever to see why you need to take it to a dealer.
This is not a bike I expect to see on the road in ten years time, when it breaks down stick it in a shed waiting a rebuild. When realisation sets in after a few years sell the un corroded remains on e-bay as a none runner.
Its not made to last, i'm realistic about it and accept its the price you pay for performance and economy, I have had bikes for 40 years and realise now if it fails to start and after changing the battery and a few other checks I am out of my depth.
Shit world we are in now, throw away bikes.

Its only the same as the progress electronic ignition and fuel injection in 10 year time this new today technology will be just standard stuff to home and independent mechanics.

The test gear needed now will be as common as a multimeter and nothing unusual.

These new models will be still on the road in 10 years and in 10 years we will hear the owners of these 2014 bikes telling the owners of the new 2024 GSA LC EA ABC EFG models how the new 2024 is to complex has crap build quality and wont be around in 10 years

 

[Myke Rocks]

Near enough a waste of time and money

Most of what they contain is commonsense interspersed with the need to see your dealer it it's anything more complex than a puncture.
Yes, they do give you valve clearances and torque settings, but you can get the valve clearances on the internet, and (personally) I have not used a torque wrench on any engine or vehicle I have built over the last 40 years.
Maybe I am on my own on this one, but I know when a bolt is up to torque by the feel of it - and 55 years of experience.
Myke

 

[Nick V]

I have a Haynes manual for the twin cam and asked them when they would produce one for the LC. They replied that they don't do so until a new model is 3 years old, because of the manufacturer's warranty.

Then they must be asleep or smoking too much Texas Gold.
Maybe they had an excuse for not producing a 2005-onward K-series manual because they were waiting for a major update of the machines. But the K1300S and K1300R have been around since 2009 (that is, for five years now).

(personally) I have not used a torque wrench on any engine or vehicle I have built over the last 40 years.
Maybe I am on my own on this one, but I know when a bolt is up to torque by the feel of it - and 55 years of experience.
Myke

I agree, 90% of fasteners on almost any vehicle can be fastened accurately by hand, given enough experience.
But certain items, like cylinder head bolts, are a no-go area without a torque wrench (and increasingly, an angular torque attachment).
There's always a first time to pop a head gasket.