Heidenau K60 Scouts

[slparry]

Well ...... initial review of the Heidenau K60 Scouts, having fitted them on Friday and covering 300 miles on them this weekend.


You can feel a buzzing at 20 to 30 mph which goes at higher speeds. After a weekend of high speed testing (in excess of 100 mph and cornering in excess of 80 mph ..... in the interests if testing the capabilities of the machine and tyres yer 'onor) I can happily report no problems whatsoever!


This morning, the commute to work was very wet and despite concerns they performed well. Sure they're not up to the feel and grip of my previous Anakee 2's but I'm hoping for double the mileage (of the already good Anakee's mileage of 6000 miles). No "moments" or issues at all.


All in all at this moment I'm happilly surprised at them!

 

[BMBLAG]

Have you got them just to get more mileage or to do some gentle off road

 

[Q plate]

Thanks for the post, I've got a set of scouts buried in the shed ready to fit but most of my ridings on road & I've been reluctant to swap over from the anakees. They're on their arse now though & will need changing soon & we're planning a trip off road Spain to Portugal in the spring so I think I'll give them a go

 

[stumpi]

I find the K60s kind of ok, I wont buy them again..
They're predictable on road alright and will certainly support some very enthusiastic (pegs down) cornering.. They certainly last well.
They're ok in the wet but I don't trust them to push them although Aussie roads are awful when it comes to rain, I mean, really dangerous!
Where they fail in my opinion is when you take them off road, they're no TKC that's for sure and mainly down to the reason they last so long, the solid tread around the centre of the rear tyre. This is ok for getting long road life outta them, but ask (essentially a slick in the centre) to grip on a dirt road, especially a slippery or mildly muddy one and you're in for a lot of wheel spin, they're awful!
Make the terrain a little muddier and more gloopy or softer and they're better but for "soft roading" I'd much sooner a set of TKCs.

Just my findings riding them in various terrains over the last year or so.

I think I'll go back to a set of TKCs, I'd sooner buy 1 front and 2 rears for the extra performance you get form them.

 

[AustinW]

I have had two sets, fitted both times for very long trips where I didn't want to change tyres often. When new or newish they are great as described, but as they wear they go very square, the rear especially, and then the handling goes awful but you still have several thousand miles of tread left. I lose all confidence on damp and wet roads when they are like this. Going back to Conti trail attacks or similar is a breath of fresh air (as it always is with new tyres but especially so going from the Heidenau).

I just got back from a 15,000 miles East-West-East crossing of Canada and USA. The front is the same tyre and still has 4mm or so of tread left, and has actually done nearer 16,000. I replaced the rear at around 9,500miles but I could have got another 1-2,000 out of it and the current rear has done about 6,000 and has about 4-5mm tread left. Running at slightly lower then specified pressures as they wear improves the feel of the tyre. And, as they wear they get very very noisy, especially the front which really howls.

IMHO unless you are doing high mileages on rough or gravel roads then stick with Tourance/Trail attack etc.

 

[slparry]

Have you got them just to get more mileage or to do some gentle off road

Just to try out really, the extra mileage is a pull and where I live it gets a bit snowy in the winter as I'm not far from the Horseshoe pass

 

[BMBLAG]

Cool, I was just wondering because I didn't get that great mileage really. Thought you'd get better mileage from the anakee

 

[slparry]

I have had two sets, fitted both times for very long trips where I didn't want to change tyres often. When new or newish they are great as described, but as they wear they go very square, the rear especially, and then the handling goes awful but you still have several thousand miles of tread left. I lose all confidence on damp and wet roads when they are like this. Going back to Conti trail attacks or similar is a breath of fresh air (as it always is with new tyres but especially so going from the Heidenau).

I just got back from a 15,000 miles East-West-East crossing of Canada and USA. The front is the same tyre and still has 4mm or so of tread left, and has actually done nearer 16,000. I replaced the rear at around 9,500miles but I could have got another 1-2,000 out of it and the current rear has done about 6,000 and has about 4-5mm tread left. Running at slightly lower then specified pressures as they wear improves the feel of the tyre. And, as they wear they get very very noisy, especially the front which really howls.

IMHO unless you are doing high mileages on rough or gravel roads then stick with Tourance/Trail attack etc.

I'm running 2.5 bar front and rear at the moment as that's what's listed on the Heidenau website. Is that what you ran?

 

[AustinW]

I'm running 2.5 bar front and rear at the moment as that's what's listed on the Heidenau website. Is that what you ran?

I am a psi person. Solo I am at 27 front and 34 rear which I think is 2psi down on spec. With wife, luggage, camping gear etc for a 3+month trip I started on 36/42 which felt too hard and a drop of 2 psi all round felt loads better. When on gravel roads the tyres felt like they needed a good deal less as they rolled around a lot rather than gripping the gravel. It's a 1200gsa btw.


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[slparry]

I am a psi person. Solo I am at 27 front and 34 rear which I think is 2psi down on spec. With wife, luggage, camping gear etc for a 3+month trip I started on 36/42 which felt too hard and a drop of 2 psi all round felt loads better. When on gravel roads the tyres felt like they needed a good deal less as they rolled around a lot rather than gripping the gravel. It's a 1200gsa btw.


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2.5bar is 36psi, that's what I'm running fr and rr. Only because that's what's on their website as the recommended

 

[nrg]

That buzzz from the tires is why after 10K miles I did not replace the K60s with a new set. Now running Mitas E07 that are quieter. we shall see about the mileage thingy.

 

[Alex B]

Heidenau K60 Scout and Mudsling Compatibility

On another "Heidenau K60" question, does anyone have information on whether they're compatible with a Mudsling on a GSA1200 LC ?

Many thanks.

 

[Rambleon]

Another question anyone running the K60 on spoked rims. If so how did you get round the tubeless issue.

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[JimmyMac]

Another question anyone running the K60 on spoked rims. If so how did you get round the tubeless issue.

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I have them fitted to my 2010 GSA, my spoked wheels have always been tubeless, no issues at all.

JimmyMac

 

[DANE]

On another "Heidenau K60" question, does anyone have information on whether they're compatible with a Mudsling on a GSA1200 LC ?

Many thanks.

Not that great, they will wear a 6 cm hole in the mudsling !

 

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The buzzing fades after you have run them in. Its the front that causes it. Its doesnt take long to wear off. It did the same thing when I fitted them to my 1150.

 

[Rambleon]

Cheers jimmyMac. What year is your GSA. and I am taking its a true tubeless no inner tube. Also it's a f800

Thanks

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[stephen.stallebrass]

I find the K60s kind of ok, I wont buy them again..
They're predictable on road alright and will certainly support some very enthusiastic (pegs down) cornering.. They certainly last well.
They're ok in the wet but I don't trust them to push them although Aussie roads are awful when it comes to rain, I mean, really dangerous!
Where they fail in my opinion is when you take them off road, they're no TKC that's for sure and mainly down to the reason they last so long, the solid tread around the centre of the rear tyre. This is ok for getting long road life outta them, but ask (essentially a slick in the centre) to grip on a dirt road, especially a slippery or mildly muddy one and you're in for a lot of wheel spin, they're awful!
Make the terrain a little muddier and more gloopy or softer and they're better but for "soft roading" I'd much sooner a set of TKCs.

Just my findings riding them in various terrains over the last year or so.

I think I'll go back to a set of TKCs, I'd sooner buy 1 front and 2 rears for the extra performance you get form them.

I found the same thing on my F800GS.

I have them fitted to my 2010 GSA, my spoked wheels have always been tubeless, no issues at all.

JimmyMac

Same here... the rear can be a bit of a PITA to fit, especially by the side of the road or on the trail as the side walls are so stiff, great for running at very low pressures of road but difficult to break the bead even using the side stand trick and worse to re-install on the rim - not impossible but much more difficult than any other tyre I've ever used.

Combine this with the above and there's the reason I wouldn't go back to the K60 scout... much rather have then TKC80a and replace them a bit sooner. FYI there is a version of the K60 that doesn't have the central band of rubber...