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[Boxerlust]

Giles maybe you can teach me to sense when a deer strikes or when pea gravel litters the next turn...If you ride a motorcycle you will eventually crash ! And for that reason I only ride a boxer on the road because for obvious reasons it protects your legs and the bike itself I know to people loosing a leg and it was not their fault...On a boxer it would not have happened...

 

[Deleted account 210609001]

There really needs to be a UKGSers trackday. Across country on A/B roads, no mways. The bullshit stops when the flag drops.

Can I bring my car, please?

 

[stick]

I haven't posted on here (apart from in the Travel sections from time to time) for YEARS. I'm beginning to remember why.

Good , back to the past and wander back into wonderland lol

 

[Giles]

Giles maybe you can teach me to sense when a deer strikes or when pea gravel litters the next turn...If you ride a motorcycle you will eventually crash ! And for that reason I only ride a boxer on the road because for obvious reasons it protects your legs and the bike itself I know to people loosing a leg and it was not their fault...On a boxer it would not have happened...

I haven't crashed in 20 years and ride a bike for a living !!!!!!!!!

 

[stick]

The only sense in which "Stick is right" is that he spouts a similar kind of bullshit to you. And that, of course, means that he's not right at all.

I feel offended and offer the slap of my gauntlet to you Sir , twice I say you cad...
Accept my challenge and accept a good spanking ( as my House Master used to say )
Bring a car FFS

 

[Boxerlust]

Quinten . Stick is obviously a experienced rider who knows what he is talking about ! I can relate to a guy like him...A lot of guys here are either clueless,hate BMW's or just ride around and enjoy the scenery without the urge to go fast or see riding as a spor or a life long experience to get better and thus faster...But you can't put that down as bullshit because it obviously isn't for some people.AS for most people who don't ride motorcycles are dangerous and as such anti-social bullshit.For people like us it is the most important activity in life...Fast riding,dreaming about the perfect bike,exchanging our thoughts when it is too cold to ride
What's better than motorcycles or the skill & exitement of fast riding ?
If the only bikes where Harleys I would rather take the bus...

 

[stick]

I haven't crashed in 20 years and ride a bike for a living !!!!!!!!!

Nor me in 30 years , well not on the road ...
Mx .. too many times
Enduro again too many but serious.
Track .. oh ... trashed a few bikes early on..
Most bones broken and scars but i learnt a lot .. maybe not key board skill like Sir Quinten Fook All

Oh I only ride for fun and thrills and to keep me sharp and clear minded ...And the GS / KTM suits the neck injury

 

[stick]

( .. The new Duke 890 with 119 BHP ?? That will probably be untouchable on a B road .... ).

I like probably , time for test .......i doubt it though with those shafts of the devil at the front end ..

 

[Deleted account 210609001]

Giles maybe you can teach me to sense when a deer strikes or when pea gravel litters the next turn...If you ride a motorcycle you will eventually crash ! And for that reason I only ride a boxer on the road because for obvious reasons it protects your legs and the bike itself I know to people loosing a leg and it was not their fault...On a boxer it would not have happened...

Deer jumping out, fair enough.

You don't have to "sense" gravel on the road; you can use the widely available sense called sight. If you can't avoid dodgy surfaces - or spot them in the first place - you're letting your ego exceed your ability. Please see comments re skill sets above.

If you're relying on the boxer's cylinders to save you a leg or two, I fear there is no hope for you. I know of no riders who have remained in the riding position throughout a crash.

I used to think your outgoing President achieved the unlikely feat of leading a country while having a lower level of intelligence than the average citizen. I can see you're trying hard to correct that misapprehension.

 

[Flipfly]

Mate .... until you can ride at between 130 and 160 on 'tech roads' and then back a bike into a corner and feck off into the distance ...... I should keep quiet ....

One of the man6 reasons I actually hate being called a biker, people associate you with such nonsense

We all know that slow in fast out means the rear wheel stays in line on entry and should be spinning and smoking on the way out of the bend

It’s amazing how few of these riding gods I meet one the roads whilst plodding on the Harley, maybe they are so quick they become invisible?

 

[Deleted account 210609001]

I feel offended and offer the slap of my gauntlet to you Sir , twice I say you cad...
Accept my challenge and accept a good spanking ( as my House Master used to say )
Bring a car FFS

Depends on the challenge. Your house to your local biker meet cafe where you can spout shit about "backing it in" and stuff, and I dare say you'd win on your bike. London to Marseille - I'll win in the car every time.

 

[Deleted account 210609001]

I feel offended and offer the slap of my gauntlet to you Sir , twice I say you cad...
Accept my challenge and accept a good spanking ( as my House Master used to say )
Bring a car FFS

The most surprising thing about this post is that it implies you went to a school.

 

[King Rat]

Lovely looking roads but defo big bore Supermoto or 600cc race rep territory

Andres

Pacific Coast Highway from Los Angeles, up through ventura, over the top past Whale Watchers (last fuel for ages and good viewing spot while you have some over-priced grub!) then on to Carmel and Monthelrey.... cruiser territory, so you can bimble along looking at the scenery and not having to look at the road! Who the hell wants to look at a boring piece of tarmac - that is what peripheral vision is for.

 

[Neil W]

Wonder why we need 140/160bhp on public roads in an Adventure bike, and then need 17" wheels with sticky road tyres and better brakes to handle the power on the Adventure bike.

If you cannot make safe and decent progress on public roads at legal speeds with 90 bhp then the reason imho you think you need 160 bhp is to make up for your own riding deficiencies or because you treat the public roads as a race track and ride
Iike a tw@t.

Want to piss about at high speeds buy a track bike and keep off public roads.

I know some ex job riders that if you went up against them on a b or c class road on your 160 bhp adventure bike they could easily embarrass you on something with half the capacity and power and in total safety

 

[King Rat]

King Rat...Had a R100GS like that but mine was black&yellow...Great memories.My first BMW coming from japanese 4 cylinders.Never looked back.Did my first Mexico trip on it.Put holes in the valve covers after I took the crash bars off and relocated the oil cooler in Laguna Seca.With only 58hp it still was a formidable back road weapon on the backroads in Norcal...Guys on sportbikes felt demoralized getting passed...by a lowly BMW pipe & slippers boxer.Cut my riding teeth on it despite having a bouncy fork,no power,no brakes and in nneed of a new diode board and driveshaft u-joints every 25K miles...The R1100GS was soo much better.50% more power and Telelever And more reliable and not to forget...ABS with good for their day Brembo stoppers !

I remember exploring the coast around Redwood City, up through the pine forest. Things I remember: Monarch butterflies migrating. A British pub hidden in the back of beyond somewhere, but I can't remember where. Those huge redwood trees. Hairpins going up a steep hill on the way to the coast (I think). Pier 41 ferry to Tiburon (where I was billetted with a rich family!). Marin county vineyards - Sebastiani I visited. Still had my glass until last week when it got broken. Hazy days from 40 odd years ago.

 

[Flipfly]

Sgt Bilco...There are a lot of great roads in Norcal.And yes they are full of CHP who killed the fun...That is why you go south of the border to the real land of the free while the US has become the land of the fee , or Soviet Union 2.0...Mexico ! The roads are even better here and trust me you can use 160-170 hp here...You see a lot of S1000RR's,S1000XR's and 1200GS-ADV down there.On the Baja mostly gringos on the GS which is probably 90% of the bikes you see.On the mainland lots of mexicans who prefer the S1000RR and XR for obvious reasons... No police to bother you and the cartels don't care how fast you go

I think you’ve watched too many limp...sorry Maxwrist YouTube videos. A selfish prick, with no regard for anyone else and not enough talent to actually race, so rides like a nobjockey on the road to make up for his tiny penis. He’s alive through luck rather than talent, a truly shite rider who will end up another statistic.

 

[Packer]

Read and consider Mr Norcal troller.

You on an 150 bhp machine complete with suspension and wheel size of your choice could be obliterated by a competent rider on an <80 ish bhp machine along a technical road depending on other factors.

The bhp on its own means nothing, purely for a saddo's bragging rights. The available torque and the torque distribution curve is far more important as is the all up weight of machine plus rider and the resultant power to weight ratio.

As for a street bike being hopeless without hard luggage and a centre stand I have met and talked to riders doing extended European trips with nothing more than a roll bag strapped on the back of the bike. If the bike doesn' have a centre stand carry a prop as part of your tool kit to use in conjuction with the side stand. Simple.

 

[Giles]

I like probably , time for test .......i doubt it though with those shafts of the devil at the front end ..

Feel!

As good as the telelever front end is (and yes, it does work very well), conventional forks will give you a much better feel of what the front is doing on the road.

If (one) wants to push the envelope and really develop the performance side of their road riding, then a good place to start is bend assessment, corner entry, corner exit. And that world is all about throttle control, weight transference, weight transference for grip, weight transference for drive, and where and when, within your corner, you play with your gas to do that.

Quality suspension and conventional forks will play that game with you all day.

I'm not dissing the telelever front, it is very good, but sometimes a little bit of front end dive (lets call it, feel) is actually the very thing you do want.

 

[Flipfly]

Wonder why we need 140/160bhp on public roads in an Adventure bike, and then need 17" wheels with sticky road tyres and better brakes to handle the power on the Adventure bike.

If you cannot make safe and decent progress on public roads at legal speeds with 90 bhp then the reason imho you think you need 160 bhp is to make up for your own riding deficiencies or because you treat the public roads as a race track and ride
Iike a tw@t.

Want to piss about at high speeds buy a track bike and keep off public roads.

I know some ex job riders that if you went up against them on a b or c class road on your 160 bhp adventure bike they could easily embarrass you on something with half the capacity and power and in total safety

100% &#55357;&#56397;

The S1000XR was a feckin bore of a thing to ride at normal speeds, and feckin scary capable at pace, far far too easy to ride dangerously fast, superb engineering, but absolutely unnecessary.

I’ve had 2 Germans on Ducati sports bikes wave me past after several miles of an Alpine pass, I was on a fully loaded 650 Dakar

They were definitely fast though, they were hanging of with their knees poking out towards to tarmac and everything

 

[Flipfly]

Feel!

As good as the telelever front end is (and yes, it does work very well), conventional forks will give you a much better feel of what the front is doing on the road.

If (one) wants to push the envelope and really develop the performance side of their road riding, then a good place to start is bend assessment, corner entry, corner exit. And that world is all about throttle control, weight transference, weight transference for grip, weight transference for drive, and where and when, within your corner, you play with your gas to do that.

Quality suspension and conventional forks will play that game with you all day.

I'm not dissing the telelever front, it is very good, but sometimes a little bit of front end dive (lets call it, feel) is actually the very thing you do want.

Telelever absolutely works on a big fat overweight bike, far better than an average fork, the better the fork, the better it will be, a shite shock on a telelever works better on a heavyweight than a shite fork.

The ‘feel’ thing is interesting, the telelever does give good feedback of grip, but you need to recognise the feeling of getting close to the limit. In my experience it goes light just as you get to that point of losing the front end. I only had it happen a couple of times when I used to run knobblies, so it’s hard to put a handle on as it’s not something you want to explore too often, but I really liked the telelever front end, and certainly prefer it over conventional forks on a heavyweight.

It doesn’t work on lighter bikes where playing with that weight transfer has far more effect on the handling.

In reality, non of this matters because most riders are lucky to get round a corner having observed the way most of them ride