I don't care whether or not you care, others, not just me, like to have an understanding - a lot of people won't join the debate because they are scared of the abuse from the same few people.
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I don't care whether or not you care, others, not just me, like to have an understanding - a lot of people won't join the debate because they are scared of the abuse from the same few people.
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I know it's really childish but please can I say what everybody else is thinking?
Engineer, you really are a cuntmuffin of the highest order.
Ahhhh, that's better
Andres
Engineer, you really are a cuntmuffin of the highest order.
Ahhhh, that's better
Andres
I once read somewhere that if you study and practice something for 5 years you are classed as an expert. That makes Geoff an expert in re mapping bikes.
I will leave it to the forum to decide what you have been studying and practicing for 5 years
These Hilltop threads are becoming tedious behind belief. Every one end the same fucking way with a he said/she said/he's a cnut/it's all bollox/it's brilliant (perm any two of those). I reckon I'm going to have to reach for the modding hammer.............
Geoff is no more likely to come on here and spill his secrets than jump off a bridge and I don't blame him. He has a great reputation for his work and any number of people will testify to. I'm sure he looks on with wry amusement at the posting on these hallowed pages as of course us GS riders are the experts at everything. We certainly are at air crash investigation but not sure about anything else
The only way Engineer is going to get an answer is go round and talk to the man himself instead of banging on about it on here.
Please stop, just stop.....................
Geoff is no more likely to come on here and spill his secrets than jump off a bridge and I don't blame him. He has a great reputation for his work and any number of people will testify to. I'm sure he looks on with wry amusement at the posting on these hallowed pages as of course us GS riders are the experts at everything. We certainly are at air crash investigation but not sure about anything else
The only way Engineer is going to get an answer is go round and talk to the man himself instead of banging on about it on here.
Please stop, just stop.....................
I have just sent a PM to neoviper asking for the answer to those few questions
These Hilltop threads are becoming tedious behind belief. Every one end the same fucking way with a he said/she said/he's a cnut/it's all bollox/it's brilliant (perm any two of those). I reckon I'm going to have to reach for the modding hammer.............
Geoff is no more likely to come on here and spill his secrets than jump off a bridge and I don't blame him. He has a great reputation for his work and any number of people will testify to. I'm sure he looks on with wry amusement at the posting on these hallowed pages as of course us GS riders are the experts at everything. We certainly are at air crash investigation but not sure about anything else
The only way Engineer is going to get an answer is go round and talk to the man himself instead of banging on about it on here.
Please stop, just stop.....................
that's one way of stopping the abuse - lets see if he replies.
And you feel the need to tell us all - that.....................
"Oink Oink Oink"
I was told to ask, I have
Roger 04 RT
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Geoff is no more likely to come on here and spill his secrets than jump off a bridge and I don't blame him. He has a great reputation for his work and any number of people will testify to. I'm sure he looks on with wry amusement at the posting on these hallowed pages as of course us GS riders are the experts at everything. We certainly are at air crash investigation but not sure about anything else
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Geoff doesn't need to come on here and spill his secrets, whatever they are. All he needs to do is answer reasonable questions and give a list of the changes he makes. For example, he might say the following:
A BMSK Hilltop mod:
--increases the rev limiter
--alters acceleration enrichments
--modifies the fuel cells subject to closed loop (e.g. Reduces the closed loop area)
--modifies fueling in the non-closed loop area
--modifies the spark advance and dwell, at high loads, reducing the knock margin but adding HP
--alters overrun fuel cutoff function
A list like the above is similar to any product specification, whether it's for a motorcycle or an iPhone.
A list like that gives no proprietary data, nor information on how to make any of these changes. If I were him I wouldn't provide that info either.
Whether that information is provided by Geoff or not, all one who wants to know that has to do is replace the stock O2 sensors with Wideband O2, attach a GS-911 and then ride and make measurements. It's not too hard, just time consuming. Off and on for the past 4 years I've been logging data from Motronics and BMSKs and reporting it here: http://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?56990-2004-R1150RT-Wideband-O2-Sensors. For anyone who wants to install a Wideband here's how the LC-1 gets installed: http://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?58505-Wideband-O2-Installation-Overview. For an R1200GS you need two. Mistacat has installed a dual pair on his bike, which is in the UK.
With the ride-and-log approach, three products that made grand claims and were endorsed by many dozens of riders were shown to not do what they claimed, three others were shown to perform just as described but with some functional limitations.
Any news?
With respect he doesn't need to respond and answer to any of what you suggest.
Just because you (and one or two others) wish to satisfy your intellectual curiosity is irrelevant. The overwhelming view is that the bike is significantly improved - with many going back for multiple bikes to be "Hilltopped".
I've had mine done and am very happy with the results - does it give an increase in BHP etc, I have no idea and don't care. It feels a better bike to ride and "feels" much crisper.
It appears that you have your own agenda to promote another way of improving the 1200's. Would it not be unreasonable to expect a competitor to try to cast doubt on a rival?
neoviper
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A very quick reply because quite frankly my time is very precious to me if you want to know any more of what I do in any more detail come along to the open day on 5 September the one thing I'm going to say on here is that I have been writing engine management systems in their entirety since 2002 I'm not going to List all of the parameters I think you should be able to work it out the clue is compleat management systems and on that note good night.
Roger 04 RT
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You're right and I'm wrong. Geoff doesn't need to respond to any of it, it's his business to run as he likes. However, there'd be a lot fewer questions about his service if he did.
And you're right again, that I do like to know how things work.
And right once more, I do have an agenda although it's not what you're implying. I make no products and sell no services--so I'm in no way a competitor. My agenda simply: have a great running R1150RT and in the process sort out what works from what doesn't.
To say I'm a competitor is wrong. What I've learned in the threads I referenced a couple posts back has been documented, with measurements, for one and all to use as they like--not what a competitor with an agenda does.
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An internet forum is a great place to chat and maybe post up a bit of information. It's not however, a great place to try and educate people. Apart from the obvious ego's and bad information that gets banded aboout it simply is not a good educational tool. There's too many opinions that conflict with each other and no one can tell the truth from one post to another. We all have different learning techniques as well. We're all specialists in one area or another in our lives but I'll bet we didn't learn what we know from an internet forum. How can you learn anything when there's no intelligent interaction between tutor and student - how could we learn anything when there's hours or days between sentences? There's no substitute for face to face learning when question and answers can be delivered as you think of them and the tutor can see immediately if the young padwan has understood anything or not. Sounds to me like a face to face with Geoff is the only way those that wish to ask the questions are ever going to get an answer. They need to invest some time and effort in their persuit of all things remapping.
You are correct - and the constant demands for Forum-answers from Hilltop (rather than private communications) is nothing short of pure arrogance.
Al
I have my '13 plate S10 booked in for the 4th September at 09:00hrs. Any one recommend a decent hotel or B&B locally to Hilltop, I don't fancy getting up at 03:00 for a five hour plus stops trip.
Try the mill on the soar ... about 10 minutes away ... the rooms are in a separate block from the pub... it's a Hungry Horse... so always popular for food at a reasonable price ... parking around the back so it can be tucked in out of sight of the main road
http://www.googleadservices.com/pag...nvVQS58644076500:pl:ta:p1:p2:ac:ap1t1:neg;ws=
If you check down the above link... Badgers Mount is even closer, and gets good reviews, and will be quieter, but no pub... that is about a mile from Hilltop
There is also the Hinckley Island which is on the A5/M69 junction so take your pick
... 10 minutes away from Hilltop that's quite a big place, Barcelo own it
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